Rob Ash said some things today

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Wow...13 pages of chatter about the Bobcats.

Cat ENVY has really been taken to a new level!

i can't disagree. you guys didn't freak out when kyon clarks coach banned us from his high school forever. i for one appreciated that. thank you.

Speaking of...did that kid ever get offered by another team? Did he sign anywhere?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Wow...13 pages of chatter about the Bobcats.

Cat ENVY has really been taken to a new level!

i can't disagree. you guys didn't freak out when kyon clarks coach banned us from his high school forever. i for one appreciated that. thank you.

Remember when Clark decommitted and Stitt took to the press talking about commitment and whining about kids changing their minds? What's that? Stitt didn't do that and just replaced Clark and then didn't have a scholarship for him when he wanted to recommit? Valid analogies are hard.

 

[UMGriz75]

Wow...13 pages of chatter about the Bobcats.

Cat ENVY has really been taken to a new level!

i can't disagree. you guys didn't freak out when kyon clarks coach banned us from his high school forever. i for one appreciated that. thank you.

Remember when Clark decommitted and Stitt took to the press talking about commitment and whining about kids changing their minds? What's that? Stitt didn't do that and just replaced Clark and then didn't have a scholarship for him when he wanted to recommit? Valid analogies are hard.

Clark is a good example of how the system can self-regulate. Clark got the idea he might be able to follow his brother to UCLA and decommitted from Montana. Stitt, a grown-up, took the kid at his word and moved on. Clark had a home visit from UCLA scheduled January 30, so apparently they were serious enough about it to schedule one. Nothing further happened, so apparently the home visit didn't go well.

Oddly, the Carter High coach did not ban UCLA from recruiting there. Stitt may have been more than glad to get Clark back, but the scholarships were gone at that point or at least in negotiation with other prospects.

So, the moral of the story is that when a kid decommits or retracts his commitment, he doesn't get the right to retract his retraction if the schollie moves on to another prospect, unless he wants to walk on. It appears that Kyon Clark isn't going to be playing this year, but that was the likely result of following a strategy devised by his high school coach, which backfired big time. Had it not been the high school coach's genius strategy to get the younger Clark to follow his older brother to UCLA, I doubt the high school coach would have reacted so strongly to Montana's inability to respond to the "scramble" when UCLA proved less than interested, except because he had some angry parents.

When Ash mounted the soapbox, he blamed the 17 year olds, but the 17 year olds didn't design the system. The coaches did.

He's played that game in and out for over 20 years, and is as adept and sophisticated at it as any. Each 17 year old plays it maybe once.

But, it's become an obvious characteristic of Ash, one that I find obnoxious in a "Montana" coach, of first, placing blame for any difficulty on someone or something else. It's becoming clear that this is a guy who looks out for No. 1, and no, he's not there for the kids, the school, or the game. He's there for Rob Ash.

 

[info]

Cat ENVY has really been taken to a new level!

i can't disagree. you guys didn't freak out when kyon clarks coach banned us from his high school forever. i for one appreciated that. thank you.

Remember when Clark decommitted and Stitt took to the press talking about commitment and whining about kids changing their minds? What's that? Stitt didn't do that and just replaced Clark and then didn't have a scholarship for him when he wanted to recommit? Valid analogies are hard.

Clark is a good example of how the system can self-regulate. Clark got the idea he might be able to follow his brother to UCLA and decommitted from Montana. Stitt, a grown-up, took the kid at his word and moved on. Clark had a home visit from UCLA scheduled January 30, so apparently they were serious enough about it to schedule one. Nothing further happened, so apparently the home visit didn't go well.

Oddly, the Carter High coach did not ban UCLA from recruiting there. Stitt may have been more than glad to get Clark back, but the scholarships were gone at that point or at least in negotiation with other prospects.

So, the moral of the story is that when a kid decommits or retracts his commitment, he doesn't get the right to retract his retraction if the schollie moves on to another prospect, unless he wants to walk on. It appears that Kyon Clark isn't going to be playing this year, but that was the likely result of following a strategy devised by his high school coach, which backfired big time. Had it not been the high school coach's genius strategy to get the younger Clark to follow his older brother to UCLA, I doubt the high school coach would have reacted so strongly to Montana's inability to respond to the "scramble" when UCLA proved less than interested, except because he had some angry parents.

When Ash mounted the soapbox, he blamed the 17 year olds, but the 17 year olds didn't design the system. The coaches did.

He's played that game in and out for over 20 years, and is as adept and sophisticated at it as any. Each 17 year old plays it maybe once.

But, it's become an obvious characteristic of Ash, one that I find obnoxious in a "Montana" coach, of first, placing blame for any difficulty on someone or something else. It's becoming clear that this is a guy who looks out for No. 1, and no, he's not there for the kids, the school, or the game. He's there for Rob Ash.

Nailed it.. :thumb:

 

[getgrizzy]

Wow...13 pages of chatter about the Bobcats.

Cat ENVY has really been taken to a new level!

i can't disagree. you guys didn't freak out when kyon clarks coach banned us from his high school forever. i for one appreciated that. thank you.

Remember when Clark decommitted and Stitt took to the press talking about commitment and whining about kids changing their minds? What's that? Stitt didn't do that and just replaced Clark and then didn't have a scholarship for him when he wanted to recommit? Valid analogies are hard.

nope. http://grizsports.com/griz-pull-offer-for-california-defensive-lineman/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[grizpack]

Cat ENVY has really been taken to a new level!

i can't disagree. you guys didn't freak out when kyon clarks coach banned us from his high school forever. i for one appreciated that. thank you.

Remember when Clark decommitted and Stitt took to the press talking about commitment and whining about kids changing their minds? What's that? Stitt didn't do that and just replaced Clark and then didn't have a scholarship for him when he wanted to recommit? Valid analogies are hard.

nope. http://grizsports.com/griz-pull-offer-for-california-defensive-lineman/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And that is the official version of the events how??? Don't think Grizsports is affiliated with the University. It appears that their source was the same that had been printed earlier, and only from the pissed off high school coach. Stories I heard are very close to 75's version.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

i can't disagree. you guys didn't freak out when kyon clarks coach banned us from his high school forever. i for one appreciated that. thank you.

Remember when Clark decommitted and Stitt took to the press talking about commitment and whining about kids changing their minds? What's that? Stitt didn't do that and just replaced Clark and then didn't have a scholarship for him when he wanted to recommit? Valid analogies are hard.

Clark is a good example of how the system can self-regulate. Clark got the idea he might be able to follow his brother to UCLA and decommitted from Montana. Stitt, a grown-up, took the kid at his word and moved on. Clark had a home visit from UCLA scheduled January 30, so apparently they were serious enough about it to schedule one. Nothing further happened, so apparently the home visit didn't go well.

Oddly, the Carter High coach did not ban UCLA from recruiting there. Stitt may have been more than glad to get Clark back, but the scholarships were gone at that point or at least in negotiation with other prospects.

So, the moral of the story is that when a kid decommits or retracts his commitment, he doesn't get the right to retract his retraction if the schollie moves on to another prospect, unless he wants to walk on. It appears that Kyon Clark isn't going to be playing this year, but that was the likely result of following a strategy devised by his high school coach, which backfired big time. Had it not been the high school coach's genius strategy to get the younger Clark to follow his older brother to UCLA, I doubt the high school coach would have reacted so strongly to Montana's inability to respond to the "scramble" when UCLA proved less than interested, except because he had some angry parents.

When Ash mounted the soapbox, he blamed the 17 year olds, but the 17 year olds didn't design the system. The coaches did.

He's played that game in and out for over 20 years, and is as adept and sophisticated at it as any. Each 17 year old plays it maybe once.

But, it's become an obvious characteristic of Ash, one that I find obnoxious in a "Montana" coach, of first, placing blame for any difficulty on someone or something else. It's becoming clear that this is a guy who looks out for No. 1, and no, he's not there for the kids, the school, or the game. He's there for Rob Ash.

Nailed it.. :thumb:

Yep. Bingo.

 

[UMGriz75]

nope. http://grizsports.com/griz-pull-offer-for-california-defensive-lineman/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is sourced entirely by the high school coach, and is dated January 29, suggesting that the Griz pulled the offer "ten days ago."

Despite rumors that Clark was waiting to accept an offer from the Bruins, Pierce contends Clark was fully committed to Montana.

But originally, UCLA had scheduled a home visit for January 21. That likely wasn't scheduled just that day, and is likely to have been scheduled some time before Stitt "pulled" the scholarship offer. Note: If Clark decommitted, as his coach earlier claimed, it was Clark that "pulled" the offer, not Stitt.

Just two days earlier, the High School Coach was singing a considerably different tune.

While several high school athletes committed to colleges long ago, and others have been courted and are expected to make their decisions in the next week, there are other future college athletes who fall into different categories.

One of those is Carter High nose guard Kyon Clark, who originally committed to Montana but has since de-committed.

Carter coach Alex Pierce said that Clark changed his mind when Montana underwent a coaching change as former coach Mick Delaney retired.

So, what’s next? Possibly UCLA, where Clark’s brother Kenny, the former Sun Defensive Player of the Year, was a standout sophomore defensive lineman last season.

http://www.sbsun.com/sports/20150127/carter-football-player-kyon-clark-could-be-joining-his-brother-at-ucla" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Mick Delaney announced his retirement November 16.

It's pretty clear what happened. UCLA scheduled a home visit December 21, then rescheduled it for the 30h. The UCLA visit may not have occurred; it was perhaps cancelled on the 29th. UCLA decided not to offer. High School Coach goes ballistic on Montana on that very same date. Coincidence?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Cat ENVY has really been taken to a new level!

i can't disagree. you guys didn't freak out when kyon clarks coach banned us from his high school forever. i for one appreciated that. thank you.

Remember when Clark decommitted and Stitt took to the press talking about commitment and whining about kids changing their minds? What's that? Stitt didn't do that and just replaced Clark and then didn't have a scholarship for him when he wanted to recommit? Valid analogies are hard.

nope. http://grizsports.com/griz-pull-offer-for-california-defensive-lineman/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hahaha!!! Good one.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

i can't disagree. you guys didn't freak out when kyon clarks coach banned us from his high school forever. i for one appreciated that. thank you.

Remember when Clark decommitted and Stitt took to the press talking about commitment and whining about kids changing their minds? What's that? Stitt didn't do that and just replaced Clark and then didn't have a scholarship for him when he wanted to recommit? Valid analogies are hard.

nope. http://grizsports.com/griz-pull-offer-for-california-defensive-lineman/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And that is the official version of the events how??? Don't think Grizsports is affiliated with the University.

I would bet money that it's not. It looks like a H.S. computer project to me. First post was about Daum choosing UM. Last post was about Clark saying Stitt pulled the offer (when the Coach said the exact opposite two days before), and there are only three other posts (one of which is about another Grriz de-commit).

Seems legit.

 

[1972]

Did Clark get picked up by anybody?

 

[getgrizzy]

Did Clark get picked up by anybody?

nope. the only other school besides us he was looking at was u.c.l.a. he didn't get picked by them.

the real question is how come grizsports didn't ask stitt for his version? or did they? i would think a coach accused of this would want his side of the story told. seems very unfair of griz sports to only get one version of the events. who wrote the story i linked? why no follow up? if clarks coach is just making all this it seems awful risky on his part. someone could tell on him and he'd be out of work. im not sure who to believe, but it's odd there's no word out of the stitt camp.

 

[UMGriz75]

the real question is how come grizsports didn't ask stitt for his version? or did they? i would think a coach accused of this would want his side of the story told.

Accused of what? The facts speak for themselves, unless you want to believe that the second story told by the High School Coach was more plausible than the first story he told.

There are two completely contradictory stories there. The first one justified Clark's withdrawal of his commitment in order to pursue UCLA. It was clearly generated to provide "cover" for the withdrawal of the commitment to UM. Perhaps UCLA had a policy of not offering to already committed athletes.

The second story was the blow up when UCLA didn't offer, trying to change that first story, and trying to blame it on Stitt.

Why do you think the Coach completely changed his stories?

If I was the reporter, I'd be calling up the High School Coach and asking him the questions.

 

[getgrizzy]

the real question is how come grizsports didn't ask stitt for his version? or did they? i would think a coach accused of this would want his side of the story told.

Accused of what? The facts speak for themselves, unless you want to believe that the second story told by the High School Coach was more plausible than the first story he told.

There are two completely contradictory stories there. The first one justified Clark's withdrawal of his commitment in order to pursue UCLA. It was clearly generated to provide "cover" for the withdrawal of the commitment to UM. Perhaps UCLA had a policy of not offering to already committed athletes.

The second story was the blow up when UCLA didn't offer, trying to change that first story, and trying to blame it on Stitt.

Why do you think the Coach completely changed his stories?

If I was the reporter, I'd be calling up the High School Coach and asking him the questions.

oh your version could be correct. seems just as plausible that he told his coach he decommitted to save face then the coach got the truth after the first story. he'd be pretty dumb to change his story after going on record unless something happened.

it's also odd that griz sports called the coach to ask about the decommit. then it turns out the coach says it wasn't a decommit. also gotta wonder why griz sports didn't ask stitt about not being able to recruit that school again.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

the real question is how come grizsports didn't ask stitt for his version? or did they? i would think a coach accused of this would want his side of the story told.

Accused of what? The facts speak for themselves, unless you want to believe that the second story told by the High School Coach was more plausible than the first story he told.

There are two completely contradictory stories there. The first one justified Clark's withdrawal of his commitment in order to pursue UCLA. It was clearly generated to provide "cover" for the withdrawal of the commitment to UM. Perhaps UCLA had a policy of not offering to already committed athletes.

The second story was the blow up when UCLA didn't offer, trying to change that first story, and trying to blame it on Stitt.

Why do you think the Coach completely changed his stories?

If I was the reporter, I'd be calling up the High School Coach and asking him the questions.

oh your version could be correct. seems just as plausible that he told his coach he decommitted to save face then the coach got the truth after the first story. he'd be pretty dumb to change his story after going on record unless something happened.

it's also odd that griz sports called the coach to ask about the decommit. then it turns out the coach says it wasn't a decommit. also gotta wonder why griz sports didn't ask stitt about not being able to recruit that school again.

Just a wild ass, crazy theory here based on the look and content of Griz Sports: Maybe Griz Sports isn't exactly objective. Maybe, just maybe, it's not even run by a Griz fan at all.

Also, do you really think its seems "just as plausible" that the kid lied to his coach by saying he de-committed? If he really had his offer pulled, I would think his H.S. coach would be the first person he would tell.

 

[Grizbeer]

the real question is how come grizsports didn't ask stitt for his version? or did they? i would think a coach accused of this would want his side of the story told.

I didn't think a coach could comment on a recruit until they were signed? If grizsports asked Stitt and he responded wouldn't he be in trouble.

Didn't the Griz have a kid last year who said he had a scholarship offer in hand, but actually didn't? I don't think last year's staff ever commented on that kid either.

 

[getgrizzy]

the real question is how come grizsports didn't ask stitt for his version? or did they? i would think a coach accused of this would want his side of the story told.

I didn't think a coach could comment on a recruit until they were signed? If grizsports asked Stitt and he responded wouldn't he be in trouble.

Didn't the Griz have a kid last year who said he had a scholarship offer in hand, but actually didn't? I don't think last year's staff ever commented on that kid either.

they could've asked on signing day. real reporters often, actually usually, ask these kinds of questions especially in light of the harsh comments of the hs coach.

 

[getgrizzy]

the real question is how come grizsports didn't ask stitt for his version? or did they? i would think a coach accused of this would want his side of the story told.

Accused of what? The facts speak for themselves, unless you want to believe that the second story told by the High School Coach was more plausible than the first story he told.

There are two completely contradictory stories there. The first one justified Clark's withdrawal of his commitment in order to pursue UCLA. It was clearly generated to provide "cover" for the withdrawal of the commitment to UM. Perhaps UCLA had a policy of not offering to already committed athletes.

The second story was the blow up when UCLA didn't offer, trying to change that first story, and trying to blame it on Stitt.

Why do you think the Coach completely changed his stories?

If I was the reporter, I'd be calling up the High School Coach and asking him the questions.

oh your version could be correct. seems just as plausible that he told his coach he decommitted to save face then the coach got the truth after the first story. he'd be pretty dumb to change his story after going on record unless something happened.

it's also odd that griz sports called the coach to ask about the decommit. then it turns out the coach says it wasn't a decommit. also gotta wonder why griz sports didn't ask stitt about not being able to recruit that school again.

Just a wild ass, crazy theory here based on the look and content of Griz Sports: Maybe Griz Sports isn't exactly objective. Maybe, just maybe, it's not even run by a Griz fan at all.

Also, do you really think its seems "just as plausible" that the kid lied to his coach by saying he de-committed? If he really had his offer pulled, I would think his H.S. coach would be the first person he would tell.

teens often say things to try to save face when something shitty happens to them. their girlfriend dumps them and they say "i dumped her". not even a stretch to think that's what happened, but i'm not saying it did. i want a reporter to ask stitt. is that an unreasonable request? asking a reporter to report?

 

[PlayerRep]

I think coaches are limited to talking only about recruits who have signed letters of intent or who are enrolled in school. I doubt that the ncaa rules allow talking about recruits who aren't offered or who don't sign or enroll.

 

[getgrizzy]

I think coaches are limited to talking only about recruits who have signed letters of intent or who are enrolled in school. I doubt that the ncaa rules allow talking about recruits who aren't offered or who don't sign or enroll.

he doesn't need to mention kyon clark by name to address the issue. all he would have to say is he didn't pull any offers, but some players did decommit. the reporter can ask any question he wants and should ask regardless of the n.c.a.a. rules.