Rob Ash said some things today

[KoolMoeDee]

If a person takes the messenger out and looks at the content of what was said I would hope we could agree that there is some truth in the statement.

75, we've almost all agreed with that. It's hardly news to anyone that the system sucks. It's not as if Ron Ash had brought forth some huge revelation. We agree -- and have known for years -- the system is in need of change.

What we question is both the timing of and motive behind Ron's statements.

Timing ? What better time is there to talk about recruiting? The motive probably isn't what some around here keep saying it is.

 

[Ursa Major]

If a person takes the messenger out and looks at the content of what was said I would hope we could agree that there is some truth in the statement.

75, we've almost all agreed with that. It's hardly news to anyone that the system sucks. It's not as if Ron Ash had brought forth some huge revelation. We agree -- and have known for years -- the system is in need of change.

What we question is both the timing of and motive behind Ron's statements.

Spot on, EG! If the shoe was on the other foot, I would expect the reaction on BN to be the same, except a lot less funny and entertaining.

 

[mtgriz]

If a person takes the messenger out and looks at the content of what was said I would hope we could agree that there is some truth in the statement.

75, we've almost all agreed with that. It's hardly news to anyone that the system sucks. It's not as if Ron Ash had brought forth some huge revelation. We agree -- and have known for years -- the system is in need of change.

What we question is both the timing of and motive behind Ron's statements.

Timing ? What better time is there to talk about recruiting? The motive probably isn't what some around here keep saying it is.

Yep, great timing...like a recently divorced father of the bride getting on his commitment soap box while toasting the happy couple.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

It's fine if a kid committed months ago and gets his offer pulled the week before signing day. It's also fine if a kid verbals and then switches his commitment just days before signing day without informing the school he committed to. Sounds like a great system.

Its the exception, not the rule, in both cases. But go back and reread the 2015 recruit threads and see how discussion on each verbal included hoping there would not be any decommits down the road, with special concern about those with star rankings that had interest from FBS schools. Coaches know the recruiting game even better than Egrizzers, and work to keep their commitments committed. Unfortunately, KMD, Robbish and a few others don't seem to want to accept (when they get the short end of the stick) that verbals are not now, never in the past, and won't in the future, be enforceable. IMHO, the kids should be able to change their minds at any moment in the process. It would be a courteous gesture to give the losing coach a "heads up" on the decision. But Ashley isn't really talking about commitment, he's so hurt by the rejections he's confused a lack of any obligation with a courtesy of letting him down easy and early. How you take the breakup is the measure of the man, and big Rub showed us what he was made of. As for what Bobbie P pulled, that kind of coaching practice is self regulating when the coach can't find players to commit to his program. We reap what we sow.

 

[EverettGriz]

If a person takes the messenger out and looks at the content of what was said I would hope we could agree that there is some truth in the statement.

75, we've almost all agreed with that. It's hardly news to anyone that the system sucks. It's not as if Ron Ash had brought forth some huge revelation. We agree -- and have known for years -- the system is in need of change.

What we question is both the timing of and motive behind Ron's statements.

Timing ? What better time is there to talk about recruiting? The motive probably isn't what some around here keep saying it is.

How about before the recruiting period, with a statement saying he and his staff won't recruit kids who are committed to other programs? How about not saying it after the system hurt him, but rather after it helped him ("hey, we're happy to get these kids who committed elsewhere, but there's a problem here"). THAT'S how you get people to pay attention and take you seriously, and not a whiny bitch selling sour grapes.

 

[Umista]

Along with the now famous Rib Ash whine speech...Rib is putting all schools on notice (right now)

From this moment on all recruiting (college level) will eliminate the words: Decommit D-commit Deecommitted De commit Da commit No commit Hi commit I commit Free commit and any word similar to Decommit!

The following rule applies: No longer will a high school student athlete give a "verbal commitment" to any school before signing day.

Free sports cars, cash, sex and beer will be provided to all signees however. And that should level the playing field. Riblem solved, eh Ash?

 

[UMGriz75]

It's fine if a kid committed months ago and gets his offer pulled the week before signing day. It's also fine if a kid verbals and then switches his commitment just days before signing day without informing the school he committed to. Sounds like a great system.

Hyperbole always offers the straw man argument that substitutes for reality. It makes the whole issue soooo clear.

In the larger view, the kids presumably end up going to the schools they want to attend. The schools end up with the kids that want to go there. In, what, 95% of the cases, those are the original commits. In the remaining 5%, the kids end up where they want to be.

Pure evil, isn't it? Oh, ooops, there's that hyperbole ....

What is it called to take quotes from message board postings to fit ones argument ?

It's called marshalling the argument by taking what is coming out of the horse's mouth and comparing that to what is coming out the other end.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

If a person takes the messenger out and looks at the content of what was said I would hope we could agree that there is some truth in the statement.

75, we've almost all agreed with that. It's hardly news to anyone that the system sucks. It's not as if Ron Ash had brought forth some huge revelation. We agree -- and have known for years -- the system is in need of change.

What we question is both the timing of and motive behind Ron's statements.

Timing ? What better time is there to talk about recruiting? The motive probably isn't what some around here keep saying it is.

How about before the recruiting period, with a statement saying he and his staff won't recruit kids who are committed to other programs? How about not saying it after the system hurt him, but rather after it helped him ("hey, we're happy to get these kids who committed elsewhere, but there's a problem here"). THAT'S how you get people to pay attention and take you seriously, and not a whiny bitch selling sour grapes.

Ron Ash is the guy who always wants to play you in a game of Madden, but complains that "this game cheats" only after he loses.

 

[EverettGriz]

75, we've almost all agreed with that. It's hardly news to anyone that the system sucks. It's not as if Ron Ash had brought forth some huge revelation. We agree -- and have known for years -- the system is in need of change.

What we question is both the timing of and motive behind Ron's statements.

Timing ? What better time is there to talk about recruiting? The motive probably isn't what some around here keep saying it is.

How about before the recruiting period, with a statement saying he and his staff won't recruit kids who are committed to other programs? How about not saying it after the system hurt him, but rather after it helped him ("hey, we're happy to get these kids who committed elsewhere, but there's a problem here"). THAT'S how you get people to pay attention and take you seriously, and not a whiny bitch selling sour grapes.

Ron Ash is the guy who always wants to play you in a game of Madden, but complains that "this game cheats" only after he loses.

And blames the loss on his QB.


And fraternities.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Timing ? What better time is there to talk about recruiting? The motive probably isn't what some around here keep saying it is.

How about before the recruiting period, with a statement saying he and his staff won't recruit kids who are committed to other programs? How about not saying it after the system hurt him, but rather after it helped him ("hey, we're happy to get these kids who committed elsewhere, but there's a problem here"). THAT'S how you get people to pay attention and take you seriously, and not a whiny bitch selling sour grapes.

Ron Ash is the guy who always wants to play you in a game of Madden, but complains that "this game cheats" only after he loses.

And blames the loss on his QB.


And fraternities.

Seriously. The way he treated McGhee told me all I need to know about Coach Ron Ash. He gets mad at the pothole instead of fixing just the flat.

 

[UMGriz75]

Seriously. The way he treated McGhee told me all I need to know about Coach Ron Ash. He gets mad at the pothole instead of fixing just the flat.

I used to give Ash pretty high marks, and disregarded the rumors, but when I saw how cold he was to McGhee when McGhee walked off the field for the last time, I realized that the rumors were true. It's been nothing but downhill ever since. "I'm not going to blame Jake Bleskin here," and then proceeded to do precisely that. "I love stealing UM's recruits, but when it happens to me, then there's something wrong with the system."

 

[PlayerRep]

It's fine if a kid committed months ago and gets his offer pulled the week before signing day. It's also fine if a kid verbals and then switches his commitment just days before signing day without informing the school he committed to. Sounds like a great system.

These are several of the examples that I find to be lacking ethics (or whatever you want to call it). Both sides should communicate to avoid last minute surprises. Everyone knows or should know that a verbal is merely a verbal and is not binding. And that the commit better get in touch with the school if a coaching change occurs, and push to get confirmation (and even then the recruit and family should keep their eyes open, as the new coach will be evaluating his needs and possibilities for awhile). Everyone knows that better or more complete offers sometimes come along. While I don't know, my impression is that a recruit shouldn't keep actively looking (and taking trips) after he verbals, but that it's fine to keep taking calls from other schools.

I wish we all knew exactly what situation or situations Ash was talking about. I suspect that fewer posters would have less problems with what Ash said. I doubt that Ash was talking about run-of-mill changes of heart.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

I wish we all knew exactly what situation or situations Ash was talking about. I suspect that fewer posters would have less problems with what Ash said. I doubt that Ash was talking about run-of-mill changes of heart.

I gave up giving Ashley the benefit of the doubt a long time ago.

 

[Catsrback76]

Wow...13 pages of chatter about the Bobcats.

Cat ENVY has really been taken to a new level!

 

[CDAGRIZ]

The chatter is about a supposedly respected coach who acted like a whiny child on signing day and continually blames his players instead of taking responsibility for his lack of success, not the Bobcats.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Wow...13 pages of chatter about the Bobcats.

Cat ENVY has really been taken to a new level!

More like astonishment...as to say were continuously astonished by the garbage your coach spews out of his mouth. And astonished by the number of times he can make your entire program appear as whiny bitches...about pretty much everything.

 

[getgrizzy]

Wow...13 pages of chatter about the Bobcats.

Cat ENVY has really been taken to a new level!

i can't disagree. you guys didn't freak out when kyon clarks coach banned us from his high school forever. i for one appreciated that. thank you.

 

[getgrizzy]

It's fine if a kid committed months ago and gets his offer pulled the week before signing day. It's also fine if a kid verbals and then switches his commitment just days before signing day without informing the school he committed to. Sounds like a great system.

These are several of the examples that I find to be lacking ethics (or whatever you want to call it). Both sides should communicate to avoid last minute surprises. Everyone knows or should know that a verbal is merely a verbal and is not binding. And that the commit better get in touch with the school if a coaching change occurs, and push to get confirmation (and even then the recruit and family should keep their eyes open, as the new coach will be evaluating his needs and possibilities for awhile). Everyone knows that better or more complete offers sometimes come along. While I don't know, my impression is that a recruit shouldn't keep actively looking (and taking trips) after he verbals, but that it's fine to keep taking calls from other schools.

I wish we all knew exactly what situation or situations Ash was talking about. I suspect that fewer posters would have less problems with what Ash said. I doubt that Ash was talking about run-of-mill changes of heart.

good post. people here are so predetermined to bash ash they aren't looking at the big picture. could be he consulted several coachs, possibly even stitt to see if they concur. when he spoke he referred to coaches and players everywhere not just at m.s.u.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

It's fine if a kid committed months ago and gets his offer pulled the week before signing day. It's also fine if a kid verbals and then switches his commitment just days before signing day without informing the school he committed to. Sounds like a great system.

These are several of the examples that I find to be lacking ethics (or whatever you want to call it). Both sides should communicate to avoid last minute surprises. Everyone knows or should know that a verbal is merely a verbal and is not binding. And that the commit better get in touch with the school if a coaching change occurs, and push to get confirmation (and even then the recruit and family should keep their eyes open, as the new coach will be evaluating his needs and possibilities for awhile). Everyone knows that better or more complete offers sometimes come along. While I don't know, my impression is that a recruit shouldn't keep actively looking (and taking trips) after he verbals, but that it's fine to keep taking calls from other schools.

I wish we all knew exactly what situation or situations Ash was talking about. I suspect that fewer posters would have less problems with what Ash said. I doubt that Ash was talking about run-of-mill changes of heart.

good post. people here are so predetermined to bash ash they aren't looking at the big picture. could be he consulted several coachs, possibly even stitt to see if they concur. when he spoke he referred to coaches and players everywhere not just at m.s.u.

Could be true...makes me happy that if that is the case...we have the coach that isn't a big enough dumb ass to say it publically!!!!

 

[Umista]

Let's face it, Ash made a very emotional statement under stress (he admitted to being stressed out) and looking back that statement was wrought with anger, despair, tragedy, selfishness and displeasure.

As a Griz fan I have supported Ash through thick and thin. I now feel I must thin out.

A psychograph would indicate the traits coach Ash deals with and might explain once and for all his famous melt downs and his reports of tossing players under the bus.

In any event I am damn glad I'm a Griz!