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Rob Ash said some things today

Regardless of where you stand on the issue of verbal commitments, I just thought the timing was odd. Instead of praising the kids he got (which I'm sure he did at some point) he took this time to whine about the ones he didn't. Just seemed like an odd time to bitch about a process he's been a part of for what, 20+ years?
 
It really doesn't matter what it means, to the rest of the world its jst Ash coming off like a little bitch that he is, after getting his ASS KICKED in the in state recruiting.
 
Griz2k said:
Regardless of where you stand on the issue of verbal commitments, I just thought the timing was odd. Instead of praising the kids he got (which I'm sure he did at some point) he took this time to whine about the ones he didn't. Just seemed like an odd time to bitch about a process he's been a part of for what, 20+ years?


He probably wouldn't have said anything if he had waited a month or two. I think he let his emotions get the best of him..
 
If he really has a problem then he needs to withhold his offers until the last 10 days. By then most kids will know if FBS school X will offer or another school. Then he can go out, make his offers and most kids won't back out because it will be the end of the process......
 
Right after he gets this committment thingy done with football college recruiting straighten out, I hope he moves on to the marriage committment

Morals and values of committment have been gone for a long time, and more changes in morals and values are to come, and not for the better.
 
I am close buddies with a few of the “in the know” crowd in Bozeman. Former players/local businessmen who are very vocal with Peter Fields. Over the top vocal at times.

Ash is under a tremendous amount of stress. They have some completely unrealistic expectations, in my opinion. I have heard from more than one of these guys that Ash appears to be cracking under the pressure and is acting bizarrely. He is getting desperate.
 
PlayerRep said:
Ursa Major said:
PlayerRep said:
I suppose today wasn't a good day for a coach to bring up this subject (because it may look like sour grapes), and I'm not sure exactly what situation or situations he was addressing, but I agree with that a recruit shouldn't commit just to hold a scholarship and then keep looking.

I also believe that there ought to be something to a commitment/verbal. It shouldn't be meaningless. That doesn't mean that a committed recruit shouldn't or can't change his mind later. I posted several days ago that there should be some amount of ethics in recruiting and honoring commitments by schools. The situation involving a new head coach is a bit different, as the new coach hasn't made any commitments/offers before he became the head coach. However, even in that situation, pulling a scholarship is something that can cause issues (and I'm fine with high school coaches and others complaining when that happens).

Maybe some of you run around making verbal commitments, in life or in business, with someone you are dealing with, and then back out, but I don't if there has in fact been a commitment and there has been enough contact and communication so that both parties know that a commitment was in fact made. And if circumstances change, I get right back to people to address and discuss the situation directly.

Great post, PR! People should honor their commitments, like paying off a bet that they lose.

Bets are not the same as commitments in business or in athletic scholarships, but I generally agree with you on bets too. I have even offered to pay off bets on occasion that I didn't actually make or believe I had make.

Fuck that. You still owe me that $1,000 for that bet you didn't actually make. :coffee:
 
Ash smells burnt. The kids didn't invent the system nor can they change it. You could hold them to a higher standard if coaches couldn't pull offers either. Only THEN would commitment mean something. Until the powers that be (of which "smoldering pile of Ash" is a part) decide to change something any participant in the process would be a fool not to work the system to their best advantage. There is a label for those who don't: "loser".
 
more howgash from the hyper-hypocrites that run the ncaa. they can talk all they want about "committment" on the part of the STUDENT-athletes, but we all know that college athletics is now a multi-billion dollar business, and fat-cat coaches and administrators are making millions off the sweat and athletic talent of their indentured slaves, the STUDENT-athletes. the reason they keep stressing STUDENT-athletes is that many of them are not students in anybody's wildest imagination, but rather future pros working their way through the college farm system, with no intention of ever getting a degree. kentucky is the worst offender, but even the graduation rates at cal-berkeley were so pathetic they finally were forced to oust an otherwise competent athletic director once the statistics became too embarrassing.

or how about "committment" on the part of the coaches? they're free-agents, free to take a better job at higher pay with no "committment" to the kids they recruited, or the university is free to fire them with no committment beyond the goal of a winning, money-making program. coaches can yank a scholarship the minute a better kid comes into the program, or that cover corner doesn't perform the way his high school clippings predicted. or how about the coach that promises a kid a scholarship, but pulls it at the last second when a better prospect signs on. i'm willing to wager there are far more incidents of a coach breaking a committment to a player, than vise versa. of course, every time a player breaks a committment, a coach like rob ash has the bully pulpit from which to sermonize, while the kids are just left hanging with no voice beyone their own family.

i love my griz. i want to believe that our coaching staff is above many of the ugly realities of college football. but, hey, let's not be naive, okay? and let's take the rantings of a rob ash with the full doses of skeptiscism and hypocristy that they deserve.
 
citay or others, do you think it's okay for a recruit to verbal/commit to a school and then continue to remain in the recruiting process and look at other schools?
 
PlayerRep said:
citay or others, do you think it's okay for a recruit to verbal/commit to a school and then continue to remain in the recruiting process and look at other schools?

Since that is EXPECTED to happen by both sides of the game how can it not be "okay"/
 
PlayerRep said:
citay or others, do you think it's okay for a recruit to verbal/commit to a school and then continue to remain in the recruiting process and look at other schools?
Does that break any established rule? If so then why worry about it? Or to you is it an issue of morality? In which case do you think it is immoral for a school to issue an offer then pull it? If not then CHANGE THE RULES but don't chastise those who are better at playing the game. I liken this to casinos who kick out "card counters". They defined the game and when someone who becomes good at playing by the rules then they ban them from playing. Everyone plays the game and I have no sympathy for anyone who chooses to do so.
 
Can we get real. What happened yesterday is Stitt was playing chess and Ash was playing checkers. When a couple of Ash commits went FBS, on top of the in state losses, he had no plan C and scrambled to pick up lesser rated recruits.
 
citay said:
more howgash from the hyper-hypocrites that run the ncaa. they can talk all they want about "committment" on the part of the STUDENT-athletes, but we all know that college athletics is now a multi-billion dollar business, and fat-cat coaches and administrators are making millions off the sweat and athletic talent of their indentured slaves, the STUDENT-athletes. the reason they keep stressing STUDENT-athletes is that many of them are not students in anybody's wildest imagination, but rather future pros working their way through the college farm system, with no intention of ever getting a degree. kentucky is the worst offender, but even the graduation rates at cal-berkeley were so pathetic they finally were forced to oust an otherwise competent athletic director once the statistics became too embarrassing.

or how about "committment" on the part of the coaches? they're free-agents, free to take a better job at higher pay with no "committment" to the kids they recruited, or the university is free to fire them with no committment beyond the goal of a winning, money-making program. coaches can yank a scholarship the minute a better kid comes into the program, or that cover corner doesn't perform the way his high school clippings predicted. or how about the coach that promises a kid a scholarship, but pulls it at the last second when a better prospect signs on. i'm willing to wager there are far more incidents of a coach breaking a committment to a player, than vise versa. of course, every time a player breaks a committment, a coach like rob ash has the bully pulpit from which to sermonize, while the kids are just left hanging with no voice beyone their own family.

"Many" of them? Seriously? Do you know how "many" of them actually ever make it to the pros? A fraction of a percent.

And while there may be SOME coaches/adminstrators making millions off the sweat of their "indentured slaves" as you put it, for every Nick Saban there's probably 50 Bob Stitts. And I guarantee you, Bob ain't makin' millions.

And FTR I agree with you on the schollie thing: schollies should be for four years...not one year renewables.
 
Raider said:
I am close buddies with a few of the “in the know” crowd in Bozeman. Former players/local businessmen who are very vocal with Peter Fields. Over the top vocal at times.

Ash is under a tremendous amount of stress. They have some completely unrealistic expectations, in my opinion. I have heard from more than one of these guys that Ash appears to be cracking under the pressure and is acting bizarrely. He is getting desperate.

Interesting
 
PlayerRep said:
citay or others, do you think it's okay for a recruit to verbal/commit to a school and then continue to remain in the recruiting process and look at other schools?

If a school offered my room and board along with paying for my books and i took them up on it and another school, same division, later down the road offers me a full ride, Im probably gonna flip on my verbal.

or you commit to a school that offers you a full ride and later on down the road the school that you wanted to go to offers you a full ride, i would also flip my verbal..
 
grizcountry420 said:
PlayerRep said:
citay or others, do you think it's okay for a recruit to verbal/commit to a school and then continue to remain in the recruiting process and look at other schools?

If a school offered my room and board along with paying for my books and i took them up on it and another school, same division, later down the road offers me a full ride, Im probably gonna flip on my verbal.

or you commit to a school that offers you a full ride and later on down the road the school that you wanted to go to offers you a full ride, i would also flip my verbal..

didn't we just pull a schollie from kyon clark?
 
PlayerRep said:
citay or others, do you think it's okay for a recruit to verbal/commit to a school and then continue to remain in the recruiting process and look at other schools?

I don't, but the system has evolved that way. These kids have to pretty much save their place in line with the option of moving up in line or they will end up locked out of the show completely. It is a farce of a system, but it what they have in place.
 
citay said:
grizcountry420 said:
PlayerRep said:
citay or others, do you think it's okay for a recruit to verbal/commit to a school and then continue to remain in the recruiting process and look at other schools?

If a school offered my room and board along with paying for my books and i took them up on it and another school, same division, later down the road offers me a full ride, Im probably gonna flip on my verbal.

or you commit to a school that offers you a full ride and later on down the road the school that you wanted to go to offers you a full ride, i would also flip my verbal..

didn't we just pull a schollie from kyon clark?


i believe so but i dont know the full scoop of it..
 
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