Rob Ash said some things today

[Griz Time]

A school and coaches having loyalty to a player....hahaha that's priceless! Id expect nothing less from a man that's gets beating down in his rivalry game annually, his comments are a Daum shame!

his comments reek of a .500 ball coach! Poor baby, grow a sack and RECRUIT!!!!

isn't this the same coach that threw his QB under the bus after the Griz game during the post game presser?

I seem to recall Ash also throwing Denarius McGhee under the bus in 2013 too after their end of season meltdown.

...well then...sounds like a Russian lament to me...

 

[MT Head Guy]

Difference is....ash is a head coach and said it publicly, were but egriz fans Big difference

Plus they are the Cats and we simply have blind hatred towards them (or love in the case of ButteWhat)!

 

[G-BEARS]

Difference is....ash is a head coach and said it publicly, were but egriz fans Big difference

Huh, that makes absolutely no sense to me. Seems like someone with influence (i.e head coach), should be the one saying this stuff if we want to see change. Once again I don't care too much about this topic, because it's not very important, but I think Ash is right.

 

[griz4life]

Sounds like the long winded version of the sulk Cody Kempt tweeted out after Daum flipped to Montana. That little pout was all about Daum and all about the Griz and it would seem that it was something Ron said that Kempt parroted in his sour little tweet about "commitment."
I'm sorry, but I've been told of terrible things Ron has told to Griz recruits, right down to suggesting that Coach Delaney might not last a year before retiring again. That the penalties facing UM, although unknown could be extreme. Ron hasn't held back with his "inside" information about UM.

 

[PlayerRep]

I suppose today wasn't a good day for a coach to bring up this subject (because it may look like sour grapes), and I'm not sure exactly what situation or situations he was addressing, but I agree with that a recruit shouldn't commit just to hold a scholarship and then keep looking.

I also believe that there ought to be something to a commitment/verbal. It shouldn't be meaningless. That doesn't mean that a committed recruit shouldn't or can't change his mind later. I posted several days ago that there should be some amount of ethics in recruiting and honoring commitments by schools. The situation involving a new head coach is a bit different, as the new coach hasn't made any commitments/offers before he became the head coach. However, even in that situation, pulling a scholarship is something that can cause issues (and I'm fine with high school coaches and others complaining when that happens).

Maybe some of you run around making verbal commitments, in life or in business, with someone you are dealing with, and then back out, but I don't if there has in fact been a commitment and there has been enough contact and communication so that both parties know that a commitment was in fact made. And if circumstances change, I get right back to people to address and discuss the situation directly.

 

[G-BEARS]

I suppose today wasn't a good day for a coach to bring up this subject (because it may look like sour grapes), and I'm not sure exactly what situation or situations he was addressing, but I agree with that a recruit shouldn't commit just to hold a scholarship and then keep looking.

I also believe that there ought to be something to a commitment/verbal. It shouldn't be meaningless. That doesn't mean that a committed recruit shouldn't or can't change his mind later. I posted several days ago that there should be some amount of ethics in recruiting and honoring commitments by schools. The situation involving a new head coach is a bit different, as the new coach hasn't made any commitments/offers before he became the head coach. However, even in that situation, pulling a scholarship is something that can cause issues (and I'm fine with high school coaches and others complaining when that happens).

Maybe some of you run around making verbal commitments in life or in business, and then back out of them, but I don't if there has in fact been a commitment. And if circumstances change, I get right back to people to address and discuss the situation directly.

+1 Well said.

 

[Ursa Major]

I suppose today wasn't a good day for a coach to bring up this subject (because it may look like sour grapes), and I'm not sure exactly what situation or situations he was addressing, but I agree with that a recruit shouldn't commit just to hold a scholarship and then keep looking.

I also believe that there ought to be something to a commitment/verbal. It shouldn't be meaningless. That doesn't mean that a committed recruit shouldn't or can't change his mind later. I posted several days ago that there should be some amount of ethics in recruiting and honoring commitments by schools. The situation involving a new head coach is a bit different, as the new coach hasn't made any commitments/offers before he became the head coach. However, even in that situation, pulling a scholarship is something that can cause issues (and I'm fine with high school coaches and others complaining when that happens).

Maybe some of you run around making verbal commitments, in life or in business, with someone you are dealing with, and then back out, but I don't if there has in fact been a commitment and there has been enough contact and communication so that both parties know that a commitment was in fact made. And if circumstances change, I get right back to people to address and discuss the situation directly.

Great post, PR! People should honor their commitments, like paying off a bet that they lose.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Right, he's never decommitted a player from another school, has he? What a two faced m*****f****r.

How quickly he's forgotten about Gunnar Brekke. :lol:

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

I suppose today wasn't a good day for a coach to bring up this subject (because it may look like sour grapes), and I'm not sure exactly what situation or situations he was addressing, but I agree with that a recruit shouldn't commit just to hold a scholarship and then keep looking.

I also believe that there ought to be something to a commitment/verbal. It shouldn't be meaningless. That doesn't mean that a committed recruit shouldn't or can't change his mind later. I posted several days ago that there should be some amount of ethics in recruiting and honoring commitments by schools. The situation involving a new head coach is a bit different, as the new coach hasn't made any commitments/offers before he became the head coach. However, even in that situation, pulling a scholarship is something that can cause issues (and I'm fine with high school coaches and others complaining when that happens).

Maybe some of you run around making verbal commitments, in life or in business, with someone you are dealing with, and then back out, but I don't if there has in fact been a commitment and there has been enough contact and communication so that both parties know that a commitment was in fact made. And if circumstances change, I get right back to people to address and discuss the situation directly.

Great post, PR! People should honor their commitments, like paying off a bet that they lose.

 

[PlayerRep]

I suppose today wasn't a good day for a coach to bring up this subject (because it may look like sour grapes), and I'm not sure exactly what situation or situations he was addressing, but I agree with that a recruit shouldn't commit just to hold a scholarship and then keep looking.

I also believe that there ought to be something to a commitment/verbal. It shouldn't be meaningless. That doesn't mean that a committed recruit shouldn't or can't change his mind later. I posted several days ago that there should be some amount of ethics in recruiting and honoring commitments by schools. The situation involving a new head coach is a bit different, as the new coach hasn't made any commitments/offers before he became the head coach. However, even in that situation, pulling a scholarship is something that can cause issues (and I'm fine with high school coaches and others complaining when that happens).

Maybe some of you run around making verbal commitments, in life or in business, with someone you are dealing with, and then back out, but I don't if there has in fact been a commitment and there has been enough contact and communication so that both parties know that a commitment was in fact made. And if circumstances change, I get right back to people to address and discuss the situation directly.

Great post, PR! People should honor their commitments, like paying off a bet that they lose.

Bets are not the same as commitments in business or in athletic scholarships, but I generally agree with you on bets too. I have even offered to pay off bets on occasion that I didn't actually make or believe I had make.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

A rhetorical flourish!

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

I suppose today wasn't a good day for a coach to bring up this subject (because it may look like sour grapes), and I'm not sure exactly what situation or situations he was addressing, but I agree with that a recruit shouldn't commit just to hold a scholarship and then keep looking.

I also believe that there ought to be something to a commitment/verbal. It shouldn't be meaningless. That doesn't mean that a committed recruit shouldn't or can't change his mind later. I posted several days ago that there should be some amount of ethics in recruiting and honoring commitments by schools. The situation involving a new head coach is a bit different, as the new coach hasn't made any commitments/offers before he became the head coach. However, even in that situation, pulling a scholarship is something that can cause issues (and I'm fine with high school coaches and others complaining when that happens).

Maybe some of you run around making verbal commitments, in life or in business, with someone you are dealing with, and then back out, but I don't if there has in fact been a commitment and there has been enough contact and communication so that both parties know that a commitment was in fact made. And if circumstances change, I get right back to people to address and discuss the situation directly.

That is just rediculous. Schools and coaches have zero commitment to their players, if they're not producing they're walking. The fact that Ash says something like that makes him sound like a butt hurt little bitch because he had verbals that flipped. Nothing wrong with a kid looking out for him and his best interest. Fuck Ash and FTC

 

[UMGriz75]

Huh, that makes absolutely no sense to me. Seems like someone with influence (i.e head coach), should be the one saying this stuff if we want to see change. Once again I don't care too much about this topic, becaus's not very important, but I think Ash is right.

The problem is, Ash was just fine with the system when he perceived that it worked for him. Indeed, he exploited it to the max.

Only when it blew up on him, did he suddenly decide to throw an obvious funk as public as possible about some 17 year old kids he felt betrayed him, even as he welcomed those "betrayals" when they benefited him in the past.

Public temper tantrums about 17 year old kids is unbecoming on a good day. It's bizarre with a bunch of new recruits sitting there, wanting to celebrate their commitment. It is, however, a measure of just how frustrated Ash and his staff are with the total public destruction of their well-promoted recruiting prowess. "It's not us, it's the system!"

 

[PlayerRep]

I suppose today wasn't a good day for a coach to bring up this subject (because it may look like sour grapes), and I'm not sure exactly what situation or situations he was addressing, but I agree with that a recruit shouldn't commit just to hold a scholarship and then keep looking.

I also believe that there ought to be something to a commitment/verbal. It shouldn't be meaningless. That doesn't mean that a committed recruit shouldn't or can't change his mind later. I posted several days ago that there should be some amount of ethics in recruiting and honoring commitments by schools. The situation involving a new head coach is a bit different, as the new coach hasn't made any commitments/offers before he became the head coach. However, even in that situation, pulling a scholarship is something that can cause issues (and I'm fine with high school coaches and others complaining when that happens).

Maybe some of you run around making verbal commitments, in life or in business, with someone you are dealing with, and then back out, but I don't if there has in fact been a commitment and there has been enough contact and communication so that both parties know that a commitment was in fact made. And if circumstances change, I get right back to people to address and discuss the situation directly.

That is just rediculous. Schools and coaches have zero commitment to their players, if they're not producing they're walking. The fact that Ash says something like that makes him sound like a butt hurt little bitch because he had verbals that flipped. Nothing wrong with a kid looking out for him and his best interest. f*** Ash and FTC

Under ncaa rules. commitment for scholarships are for one year. After the year, the coach/school can do what he/they want with the scholarship. Do you think that once a kid has a scholarship that he should have it for all the years he plays?

 

[Ursa Major]

A rhetorical flourish!

Or a purple prose?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

A rhetorical flourish!

Or a purple prose?

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I always say: Prose before hos.

-Little Billy Shakespeare

 

[firmgriz]

Ash makes valid points about the game recruiting and signing day have become, but his sour grapes harm his credibility - I doubt it's said had he just won at the game instead of lost.

 

[Born2BaGriz]

Ash makes valid points about the game recruiting and signing day have become, but his sour grapes harm his credibility - I doubt it's said had he just won at the game instead of lost.

Coach Ash is like one of your favorite Uncles giving a speech at the big gathering for the 4th of July, just before you set off the fireworks. He has had a little too much to drink and while he has a well intended message, he begins to lecture the younger generation on how spoiled they are and it so much easier. Your buddies are whispering to each now and you feel compelleda to defend him as there is a shred of truth to what he says and he is family.

However, I believe Coach Ash can view the handwriting on the wall as @hotstitt as thrown down the gauntlet by indicating the Griz will own Montana. I believe Coach Ash understands that lacking a family legacy or the desire to become an engineer, the Montana kid will look at program success, game day atamosphere, student/athelete academic center and new locker rooms as he picks the Griz.

 

[grizfnz]

A school and coaches having loyalty to a player....hahaha that's priceless! Id expect nothing less from a man that's gets beating down in his rivalry game annually, his comments are a Daum shame!

his comments reek of a .500 ball coach! Poor baby, grow a sack and RECRUIT!!!!

isn't this the same coach that threw his QB under the bus after the Griz game during the post game presser?

And the same coach who used the term "impending sanctions and playoff bans" to cause a UM commit to decommit and join MSU. He didn't seem to have an issue when it benefitted him.....Do unto others Mr. Ash

 

[Grizbeer]

Coach Ash is like one of your favorite Uncles giving a speech at the big gathering for the 4th of July, just before you set off the fireworks. He has had a little too much to drink and while he has a well intended message, he begins to lecture the younger generation on how spoiled they are and it so much easier. Your buddies are whispering to each now and you feel compelleda to defend him as there is a shred of truth to what he says and he is family.

This is Coach Ash?

So I guess this means that Coach Ash and MSU will no longer be taking out full page ads (condescendingly or not) to congratulate UM and send out best wishes for success in the playoffs? I'm cool with that.