CatsRback said:
What do you want me to defend? I made my opinion clear. I'm going to list the players we have. You are going to say they are not good and we have no depth. It is a pointless conversation.
We will see in November.
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What do you want me to defend? I made my opinion clear. I'm going to list the players we have. You are going to say they are not good and we have no depth. It is a pointless conversation.
We will see in November.
BadlandsGrizFan
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Cats an about to be deep in legal fees.
mthoopsfan
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CatsRback said:
Griz have more depth on offense than the Cats do, except at QB. I’d take Griz o-line over Cat o-line.
ABQCat
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I actually had Pho coming out my nose on this comment, PR. I congratulate you on actually making your dumbest post of all time. There's been some doozies in the past like when you said Troy Andersen wasn't very athletic, but this may have topped that one.mthoopsfan said:
Here's a video to refresh your memory. Unlike past years when we lost two guys to the P5 and graduating another to the active roster of the New Orleans Saints, this year we kept everyone. Enjoy the video and please do better.
https://youtu.be/Y0K3WEBb1PM
ABQCat said:
The problem with you guys flying so high after a few good years, is that you forget how easily it can go the other way.
Here is from when you had Troy, and remind me again about how #5 wasn't good enough for you? Here is a video to refresh your memory. Please, enjoy the video and do better. See you in November.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93cdzOjJ-lM
Copper Griz
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ABQCat said:
The Cats o line is very good. Quite frankly one of the best in FCS. I don’t know that this is even arguable at this point. If I had any knock on them it would be pass protection. Mainly due to the scheme that they run. Run blocking is very very good and they are deep. Griz o line is being overlooked and is underrated. Good by me and they will surprise many this coming season. Not having a healthy QB made things really difficult on them last year and they still performed well. I don’t think the Cats are well rounded offensively. Didn’t hurt then until the playoffs. It is a glaring weakness and something they better figure out. Griz will have an extremely potent offense. Excellent running backs and receivers. Solid and potentially excellent QB’s. They have a soft schedule as well. Should be a good year. Cats ran all over the Griz last year. Kudos to them. I expect a completely different game this year. On another note. Cats have some issues. Big issues with their staff. The DUI issue is just one component. Those issues will manifest themselves this year. Griz coaches are focused. Team morale at an all time high and the coaches are leading in the right way. Future is bright at the U of M. Cats - jury is out. No pun intended.
ABQCat said:
Did the staff get hammered and get behind the wheel after this ga….
Oh hell. Of course they did. After both games. And on every other day ending in “y”. Win at all costs, baby!!! If we kill a few innocents, well that’s just the price we all gotta pay to get some bub success!
Copper Griz said:
MSU returns pretty much its entire offense. How does it all of the sudden have holes?
Everyone on here keeps saying “excellent” “deep” “potent” but where? Do you all just turn up “hooked on a feeling” and close your eyes?
Who’s excellent for the gris? 1-2 lineman?
CatsRback said:
You're really missing the point when you ask these questions, because your response is just "hahaha, no, Griz suck, I laugh at you and your players." It makes it pointless to have a rational conversation. People already brought you numbers statistically of the strength of our offensive line in pass protection. They got better each game and were a strong unit by the end of the year. We got guys from the second unit into the game and they played well. They have had the off season to only get bigger and better.
But you ask these questions as if you will give an answer. I can name all of the linemen we have that I think are solid, and you will laugh and say they suck and aren't as good as Bozeman's. Its just a circular discussion because you aren't actually trying to have one. People here have even engaged with you and been complimentary of the Cats line, and you're just here to troll.
The msdui coaching staff is definitely a point of interest. The offensive line coach has left along with running backs coach. The offensive coordinator try’s to cover up an alcohol induced wreck who is cited for DUI and the new running backs coach participates in the cover up. All this after a previously fired defensive coordinator gets his 3rd DUI with a one game suspension and subsequently a increase in pay. Now an administration, AD, and head coach hope charges are dropped to say”we handled this internally “ or “nothing to see here.”
Sure msdui has good football players but the mentality of a one year old and culture of the ghetto. Notice I didn’t mention PED’s………..
Montana……35
msdui………..24
Go Griz!
Sure msdui has good football players but the mentality of a one year old and culture of the ghetto. Notice I didn’t mention PED’s………..
Montana……35
msdui………..24
Go Griz!
mthoopsfan
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EverettGriz said:
As I said, I'd take the Griz o-line over the Cat o-line. Cat o-line can't pass block. Cat o-line and scheme are very good for running qb's. Griz don't have running qb's, or at least none except maybe the late transfer.
Griz o-line had a first team all-conference player last season. The Cats didn't. Cats had a 2d teamer. Both Griz and Cats had 3d teamers. I am told that those 2 Griz rank up with the best o-lineman to ever play for the Griz. This info is directly from the program. Griz had multiple big younger players who got some experience last year, and some starts. Griz got a transfer starter from another school. All of last year's starters return. The Cats are welcome to their o-line.
Everett may be the least knowledgeable football poster to ever post on egriz. He doesn't have a clue about the game.
You're making up a scenario and getting mad at it lolMousegriz said:
ABQCat
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Some reasoned responses here with the OL discussion. Other than DHiW of course.
With respect to the pass protection limitations with the Cat OL, which I agree with btw, that has been and continues to be the charge of the new OL coach Al Johnson. The comment about how the Cats have a ceiling at the moment in pursuit of a natty because of the inability to pass is correct. No argument from me. Let's see if improvements are made.
With respect to the pass protection limitations with the Cat OL, which I agree with btw, that has been and continues to be the charge of the new OL coach Al Johnson. The comment about how the Cats have a ceiling at the moment in pursuit of a natty because of the inability to pass is correct. No argument from me. Let's see if improvements are made.
ElrodGrizzly said:
One of your compadres listed 1 statistic. You’ve done nothing but say “we’re deep at these positions” and I’m a troll. I feel like live noted multiple statistics and asked for you to point out why you believe you have depth But to no avail. You’re missing a whole different boat. I’ve continually said you can list whatever names you want, but simply saying “we’re deep” doesn’t hold any merit. A simple google search regarding awards, returning production, and injuries would side with a lack of depth for the Gris offense. It is what it is. Don’t come at me with how they were “misused players” or “under utilized”.
If you were to say “I’m excited about the LB’s or interior DL” I could see some validity with your returners and prior production. Or even toss out some stats to back up your claims. But simply “we’re deep or excellent” just doesn’t jive.
Maybe they show more than I expect. But from what I gathered, you’ll have a top 6 offense in the BSC. So according to PR, that’ll be better than a majority of the teams
CatsRback said:ElrodGrizzly said:
One of your compadres listed 1 statistic. You’ve done nothing but say “we’re deep at these positions” and I’m a troll. I feel like live noted multiple statistics and asked for you to point out why you believe you have depth But to no avail. You’re missing a whole different boat. I’ve continually said you can list whatever names you want, but simply saying “we’re deep” doesn’t hold any merit. A simple google search regarding awards, returning production, and injuries would side with a lack of depth for the Gris offense. It is what it is. Don’t come at me with how they were “misused players” or “under utilized”.
Maybe they show more than I expect. But from what I gathered, you’ll have a top 6 offense in the BSC. So according to PR, that’ll be better than a majority of the teams
Sacks per attempt is one of the most important statistics in judging an offensive line. They protect the QB well overall. So it's not just "1 statistic," its a pretty big one. Top 15 in the FCS in rushing TD's, even while playing against some very strong defenses. That says more about the line than it does the RB, because those are the toughest pushes to get. Allowed significantly less tackles for loss than MSU (and I acknowledge that your line is a really strong unit). In fact, the Griz were not even in the bottom 50 of tackles for loss. I cannot find the number, but according to NCAA FCS football stats the Cats had 66 tackles for loss allowed and the Griz had some number less than 40. That is not an attack on your line, I acknowledge your line is really good. So the Griz allowing less tackles for loss is a good statistic.
There aren't a lot of great offensive line stats that are kept.
As far as awards, the Big Sky Conference is a pretty neutral arbiter in their judgement. They put Mayginnes on the first team. He returns. Forbes was on the third team all Big Sky. He returns. Chris Walker was a shock to me that he was not on there, as I think he is fantastic. I know some NFL teams have taken a long look at him, and I predict he will be on an NFL roster next year (Not saying he will start. Just be on the roster). For comparison, then, the Big Sky Conference judged us to have a 1st team lineman and a 3rd team lineman. MSU, which you and I agree has a very good offensive line, was judged to have a 2nd team and a 3rd team guy.
Importantly, cohesion and time/experience together are one of the biggest factors in the play of an offensive line. Most people don't understand the communication and personal understanding of the guy next to you that it takes to form a good offensive line. This will be the most continuity we have had in years. And, obviously they will be bigger, stronger, and faster than last year. That is the nature of guys in their early 20's being in the weight room all the time.
We had other players come in out of necessity that played very strong and did not show a drop off. That is why I start talking about depth.
Take a lesson from your guy Touchdown Tommy. We're still people over here, and we aren't automatically idiots who know nothing just because MSU beat us last year and had a better season. We have a better team than you think we do, and there is evidence that we have a very solid and deep offensive line. Of course we still have plenty left to prove, but the depth of our line is not nearly as laughable as you have been stating.
[/b] Most people don't understand the communication and personal understanding of the guy next to you that it takes to form a good offensive line. This will be the most continuity we have had in years. And, obviously they will be bigger, stronger, and faster than last year. That is the nature of guys in their early 20's being in the weight room all the time.
We had other players come in out of necessity that played very strong and did not show a drop off. That is why I start talking about depth.
Take a lesson from your guy Touchdown Tommy. We're still people over here, and we aren't automatically idiots who know nothing just because MSU beat us last year and had a better season. We have a better team than you think we do, and there is evidence that we have a very solid and deep offensive line. Of course we still have plenty left to prove, but the depth of our line is not nearly as laughable as you have been stating.
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MSU rushed the ball considerably more and had a QB duo who stretched out plays so Yes we had more TFL. We also played more games, more playoff teams etc.
MSU also had an honorable mention player. If you’re shocked about Walker then it’s fair for me to say more players could have garnered awards had they not gotten injured.
MSU’s line has also been together awhile.
When you say things like “we’re deep” or “excellent” at position groups and I call you out or want to hear more than just “we’re awesome” you shouldn’t get butt hurt and instead have dialog like any forum should. I also don’t think it’s “laughable” but from my research and who you have returning outside of just the offensive line, I don’t see a shining spot. As I recall as of late, the offense has been a thorn in the side for UM. This board doesn’t do itself any favors in the category of normalcy or thoughtful dialog. Instead it indulges in “cats are little bro” “we will win the conference” “what if we lose half our conference games and win the natty” threads.
There’s two sides of the coin. I have had thoughtful dialog and I’ve also pointed out blind fandom.
We had other players come in out of necessity that played very strong and did not show a drop off. That is why I start talking about depth.
Take a lesson from your guy Touchdown Tommy. We're still people over here, and we aren't automatically idiots who know nothing just because MSU beat us last year and had a better season. We have a better team than you think we do, and there is evidence that we have a very solid and deep offensive line. Of course we still have plenty left to prove, but the depth of our line is not nearly as laughable as you have been stating.
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MSU rushed the ball considerably more and had a QB duo who stretched out plays so Yes we had more TFL. We also played more games, more playoff teams etc.
MSU also had an honorable mention player. If you’re shocked about Walker then it’s fair for me to say more players could have garnered awards had they not gotten injured.
MSU’s line has also been together awhile.
When you say things like “we’re deep” or “excellent” at position groups and I call you out or want to hear more than just “we’re awesome” you shouldn’t get butt hurt and instead have dialog like any forum should. I also don’t think it’s “laughable” but from my research and who you have returning outside of just the offensive line, I don’t see a shining spot. As I recall as of late, the offense has been a thorn in the side for UM. This board doesn’t do itself any favors in the category of normalcy or thoughtful dialog. Instead it indulges in “cats are little bro” “we will win the conference” “what if we lose half our conference games and win the natty” threads.
There’s two sides of the coin. I have had thoughtful dialog and I’ve also pointed out blind fandom.
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