Regarding the $150,000 budget cut

[Bear Pause]

The MSU Registrar's office says their 2012 fall enrollment increased a little over 500 students from 2011. From 14,153 to 14,660...a net 1,200 differential between the Cruzado led Bozeman campus (+) and Engstrom's (-) Missoula campus.

We can only hope the BOR with dollar signs for eyes is watching...

Dont forget the $500 stipend for new freshman enrolling at Msu. The school in Bozeman has raised enough research money, some of that $100 million a year can pay for salaries. The difference now goes to lure students to msu.

Engineering is not the hot major in Bozeman, by the way.

MSU is so far ahead of us in leadership, that it is a joke.

 

[GrizFan2011]

Not really. Pretty sure getting fired is getting fired..Delaney said both are still employed by UM...

Hell, Pflu and O'Day are still employed at UM. The two we are talking about are not working. What's the difference??

 

[ATLCAT]

As much time as O'day spends in the offices at the u, you'd think he still runs the place. I've heard from at least 3 different sources that he's there so much, it's like he never really left.

 

[indian-outlaw]

The MSU Registrar's office says their 2012 fall enrollment increased a little over 500 students from 2011. From 14,153 to 14,660...a net 1,200 differential between the Cruzado led Bozeman campus (+) and Engstrom's (-) Missoula campus.

We can only hope the BOR with dollar signs for eyes is watching...

Dont forget the $500 stipend for new freshman enrolling at Msu. The school in Bozeman has raised enough research money, some of that $100 million a year can pay for salaries. The difference now goes to lure students to msu.

Engineering is not the hot major in Bozeman, by the way.

23% of all incoming freshman declared engineering as their major. It was the number one choice

http://www.montana.edu/opa/facts/quick.htm#Enroll" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Letters and sciences is where they end up, Poke. Not engineering. The change happens fairly quickly for most.

Yep, after flunking calc and calc based physics they all show up in other majors within letters and sciences, generally takes two quarters or one semester.

 

[tnt]

Nearly 400 of the decline came from the COT (or whatever they are calling it now) and the bleeding continues on both campuses as the federal grant money for displaced workers, retraining etc dries up. The COT looked/looks like an old folks home. The number of "old folks" on the Mountain Campus was pretty high as well. It was estimated somewhere from 100 - 200 more were lost because of the changes to the insurance program. And yes there isn't many job qualified degrees coming out of Missoula. Most bachelors degrees in the LA are not enough, a graduate degree is required. Students simply can't afford 2 more years after the 4 - 5 they put in for the bachelors (not without a job) And yes lawyers are starving.

 

[PolsonGrizFan]

The sad thing is, I doubt RE is going to reduce his salary even though he is largely responsible for the enrollment decline. I also think that a lot of the people making money off the football program need to be trimmed. We have seen staff increase exponentially while advertisement was farmed out to Learfield. What exactly does all that "staff" do for the money expended? I think we have a bit of a "staff" infection and this cut could be used to excise the fat.

This.
You had me at Learfield.

BTW what does this guy do? Anyone?
Roland Ford - Director of Football Operations

Works his tail off for the staff.

Whoa...too much detail. :lol:

 

[GrizFan2011]

Delaney tells Fritz Neighbor that both are still employed however they're taking time to consider their options.

What does that even mean? Isnt this prime recruiting time?

So the question Fritz should be asking is "If they consider their options and they want to stay at UM are you going to extend their contract?"

 

[PlayerRep]

Nearly 400 of the decline came from the COT (or whatever they are calling it now) and the bleeding continues on both campuses as the federal grant money for displaced workers, retraining etc dries up. The COT looked/looks like an old folks home. The number of "old folks" on the Mountain Campus was pretty high as well. It was estimated somewhere from 100 - 200 more were lost because of the changes to the insurance program. And yes there isn't many job qualified degrees coming out of Missoula. Most bachelors degrees in the LA are not enough, a graduate degree is required. Students simply can't afford 2 more years after the 4 - 5 they put in for the bachelors (not without a job) And yes lawyers are starving.

Nope, not "nearly 400 at the COT". Down nearly 400 at the main campus. Also, full-time equivalents down at main campus (down 727), and up at COT.

From a UM press release:

"The number of students on the central mountain campus is 12,476, a decline of 390 students. Student headcount at Missoula College, the former College of Technology that has been part of UM since 1994, is 2,467, down 336 students."

"For the mountain campus, FTEs are 10,716, down from 11,443 in 2011. Among Missoula College students, FTEs are 1,780, which is an increase of 94."

http://news.umt.edu/2012/09/092812enrl.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[Grizbeer]

Nearly 400 of the decline came from the COT (or whatever they are calling it now) and the bleeding continues on both campuses as the federal grant money for displaced workers, retraining etc dries up. The COT looked/looks like an old folks home. The number of "old folks" on the Mountain Campus was pretty high as well. It was estimated somewhere from 100 - 200 more were lost because of the changes to the insurance program. And yes there isn't many job qualified degrees coming out of Missoula. Most bachelors degrees in the LA are not enough, a graduate degree is required. Students simply can't afford 2 more years after the 4 - 5 they put in for the bachelors (not without a job) And yes lawyers are starving.

Nope, not "nearly 400 at the COT". Down nearly 400 at the main campus. Also, full-time equivalents down at main campus (down 727), and up at COT.

From a UM press release:

"The number of students on the central mountain campus is 12,476, a decline of 390 students. Student headcount at Missoula College, the former College of Technology that has been part of UM since 1994, is 2,467, down 336 students."

"For the mountain campus, FTEs are 10,716, down from 11,443 in 2011. Among Missoula College students, FTEs are 1,780, which is an increase of 94."

http://news.umt.edu/2012/09/092812enrl.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here is a link to the actual enrollment data for each campus:
http://mus.edu/board/meetings/2012/Nov2012/BOR_Enrollment_Update-Fall_2012_Census.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[PlayerRep]

Nearly 400 of the decline came from the COT (or whatever they are calling it now) and the bleeding continues on both campuses as the federal grant money for displaced workers, retraining etc dries up. The COT looked/looks like an old folks home. The number of "old folks" on the Mountain Campus was pretty high as well. It was estimated somewhere from 100 - 200 more were lost because of the changes to the insurance program. And yes there isn't many job qualified degrees coming out of Missoula. Most bachelors degrees in the LA are not enough, a graduate degree is required. Students simply can't afford 2 more years after the 4 - 5 they put in for the bachelors (not without a job) And yes lawyers are starving.

Nope, not "nearly 400 at the COT". Down nearly 400 at the main campus. Also, full-time equivalents down at main campus (down 727), and up at COT.

From a UM press release:

"The number of students on the central mountain campus is 12,476, a decline of 390 students. Student headcount at Missoula College, the former College of Technology that has been part of UM since 1994, is 2,467, down 336 students."

"For the mountain campus, FTEs are 10,716, down from 11,443 in 2011. Among Missoula College students, FTEs are 1,780, which is an increase of 94."

http://news.umt.edu/2012/09/092812enrl.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here is a link to the actual enrollment data for each campus:
http://mus.edu/board/meetings/2012/Nov2012/BOR_Enrollment_Update-Fall_2012_Census.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks. These stats show the main UM campus down 739 FTE's, and the COT FTE's up 105. So much for TNT's assertion. At least, he's consistent. Has never provided any correct information in any post; in fact, often the information is completely wrong and the opposite of what he said.

 

[RABIDAWG]

Well...typical for the progressive, liberal mindset that resides at the U of M. The football program has been pulling the cart for many other programs, so now that the cart is too full of non-productive programs and folks involved in them, the horse will quit pulling. So cuts in the other programs will have to occur. Sort of like how the future is coming to be in the good old USA!

 

[tnt]

Too bad neither one of you read your own article or understand the difference between FTE and enrollment numbers but have your fun. The fact is when the government quit paying a fair number of students dropped out (both campuses) You are also aware I am sure that in the infinite wisdom of providing job training, that Dennison made nearly every COT program a "degree" track and a fair number of COT classes taken on the mountain campus as part of the new 2 year program......

The COT used to train folks for jobs now we have associate degrees in nothing and LOOOOONG waitinmg lists for the the few vocational programs left.

 

[griz4life]

Well...typical for the progressive, liberal mindset that resides at the U of M. The football program has been pulling the cart for many other programs, so now that the cart is too full of non-productive programs and folks involved in them, the horse will quit pulling.

Mr. Ed shrugged? Is that you, Ayn?

 

[reinell30]

When JJ is found not guilty and or all charges dropped etc...and the school decides to expell him, I will drop all my donations to this university, and not restart them until Engstrom is replaced with someone who gives a dam about people!

 

[kemajic]

When JJ is found not guilty and or all charges dropped etc...and the school decides to expell him, I will drop all my donations to this university, and not restart them until Engstrom is replaced with someone who gives a dam about people!

Depends on how willing this admin would be to risk a JJ lawsuit, which I think would have high probability. More likely to run and hide.

But to get back on topic, budget cuts to the AD put fear into me that a meaningfully resumed AD will not be hired from outside. I'm becoming more suspicious of a story to emerge that someone like Hynson is adequately qualified since MD himself is such an offensive innovator. If you disagree you could be a racist. Then a simialar story next year to replace MD? Smells of a spiral. How many years get sacraficed here and how long can we maintain the fan support with this type of admin commitment to FB? Help, Kent, help! You understand the consequences if RE doesn't. Don't let us slip back into the 60's; lots of bad memories from back then.

 

[LakGriz]

wasn't baker getting the NFL internship for minorities supposed to be a big deal?

 

[Spanky]

Kem....I have the same memories..not good. A couple of you have suggested that Schweitzer isn't the person to help turn this downward spiral around. Can you mention anyone else that can or really gives a damn? Yes, I know the Governor is a Bobcat, but he is well aware that UM is beginning to have serious problems far beyond the football program and the problems have to stop. Engstrom can't see the forest for the trees and Haslam's hands are probably tied by Engstrom. As for the Board of Regents....who has the courage to come forward and get this disaster turned around?

 

[billings_poke]

The MSU Registrar's office says their 2012 fall enrollment increased a little over 500 students from 2011. From 14,153 to 14,660...a net 1,200 differential between the Cruzado led Bozeman campus (+) and Engstrom's (-) Missoula campus.

We can only hope the BOR with dollar signs for eyes is watching...

Dont forget the $500 stipend for new freshman enrolling at Msu. The school in Bozeman has raised enough research money, some of that $100 million a year can pay for salaries. The difference now goes to lure students to msu.

Engineering is not the hot major in Bozeman, by the way.

23% of all incoming freshman declared engineering as their major. It was the number one choice

http://www.montana.edu/opa/facts/quick.htm#Enroll" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Letters and sciences is where they end up, Poke. Not engineering. The change happens fairly quickly for most.

Yes as Engineering has a high drop out rate but that Engineering program is what brought them to Bozeman in the first place. Not Letters and sciences

 

[WaGriz4life]

Kem....I have the same memories..not good. A couple of you have suggested that Schweitzer isn't the person to help turn this downward spiral around. Can you mention anyone else that can or really gives a damn? Yes, I know the Governor is a Bobcat, but he is well aware that UM is beginning to have serious problems far beyond the football program and the problems have to stop. Engstrom can't see the forest for the trees and Haslam's hands are probably tied by Engstrom. As for the Board of Regents....who has the courage to come forward and get this disaster turned around?

Marc Racicot

 

[Filthy McGrizzly]

Almost forgot about him. What does he do these days?