Recruits decisions

[bigsky33]

It's just not football players rethinking their enrollment at UM; but the whole incoming class of Freshmen has gone south......2013 had only 1344 fulltime frosh.....as compared to MSU's class of freshmen...2,345........difference of 43%

I think MSU has much more effective overall student recruting program. They had record enrollments. I feel that was a large part of the difference and not as much from the krap that went on last year in Missoula. I would have thought that UM would have stepped up their advertising,PR, and recruting program last year to offset what happened.

I have to agree with this. My son is a senior and listed both UM and MSU to receive results from his ACT test, and despite his sister currently attending UM we get about 3 things in the mail from MSU for every one from UM...they seem to be pushing harder right now.

And they're spending 4 times as much to recruit students. That's great, but there's an opportunity cost, and Waded is starting to hear about it from her faculty. When you take money from programs to recruit more students who then enter programs with less funding, eventually something has to give.

In five years we'll be talking about how much greater UM's freshmen enrollment is. Happens every few years.

Could be too that the majors like engineering are more popular these days. The funding problem is more from a drop off in grant money from budget cuts and the sequester. Based on past posters on here with kids looking at both schools, MSU has been more on top of it. Again, with the bad publicity at UM the last couple of years, you would think UM would have made a big effort to boost its PR. Appears to be a leadership problem.

 

[Twincitysgriz]

Hey, I heard they are going to go after the Gophers QB that just announced he wants to transfer because he wants to be in a passing offense.... Fresh off the wire. I was at the bar and a friend of a friend talked to his uncles cousin.

 

[jodcon]

It's just not football players rethinking their enrollment at UM; but the whole incoming class of Freshmen has gone south......2013 had only 1344 fulltime frosh.....as compared to MSU's class of freshmen...2,345........difference of 43%

I think MSU has much more effective overall student recruting program. They had record enrollments. I feel that was a large part of the difference and not as much from the krap that went on last year in Missoula. I would have thought that UM would have stepped up their advertising,PR, and recruting program last year to offset what happened.

I have to agree with this. My son is a senior and listed both UM and MSU to receive results from his ACT test, and despite his sister currently attending UM we get about 3 things in the mail from MSU for every one from UM...they seem to be pushing harder right now.

And they're spending 4 times as much to recruit students. That's great, but there's an opportunity cost, and Waded is starting to hear about it from her faculty. When you take money from programs to recruit more students who then enter programs with less funding, eventually something has to give.

In five years we'll be talking about how much greater UM's freshmen enrollment is. Happens every few years.

I don't think they're going to be too worried about increasing recruiting spending if they get the results they have lately, with the money they extort out of an extra 1000+ freshman for rooms and meal plan they can pay for a lot of advertising.

Just kind of disturbs me that now when UM seems like they should be stepping up their game MSU is still making the better effort.

 

[Copper Griz]

Good God batman. BigSky33 nailed it with his post. We are talking about 17-18-19 year old kids here. So many variables and speaking as a parent who's child has gone through the recruiting process - the problems at UM likely played a very small role in this kids overall decision. His girlfriend may have been going to the school he ultimately picked, Delaney may have had a huge crusty snot bubble in his nose during the recruiting visit with the kid, he may have felt the depth at his position would equate to not seeing the field for two years or more, he was a Momma's boy and UM was to far away from home, some of the kids on the team treated him like shit during his visit and it did not sit well, or his Mom bought him a teddy bear for his 12th birthday and kids made fun of him - so he now hates bears. Who the F really cares. He is not a Griz and it is his loss. The Griz will be just fine without him. Se la vie (no clue if spelled right and to lazy to look it up) or whatever the hell those pussy French bastards say.

 

[grizfnz]

I'd bet the kid wanted a full ride, didn't get it and is using old news as his excuse.

 

[PlayerRep]

Is this supposed to be surprising? I have friends who are friends of families of 2 recruits, and they said the prior goings on in Missoula haven't influenced them at all.

 

[Grizzlies1982]

Let's face it, we are talking about kids. Reasons for selecting a school could be any number of reasons. Could be chemistry with the coaches, location of the school, majors offered, etc. You guys had a good recruiting year in 2013. Was kind of surprising with all the krap that went on and having a head coach that is near retirement and having uncertainty in that area. I think that tells you that kids decisions are all over the board. As evidenced by 2013, yes these factors don't help recruiting but it isn't that much of an obstacle.

It's just not football players rethinking their enrollment at UM; but the whole incoming class of Freshmen has gone south......2013 had only 1344 fulltime frosh.....as compared to MSU's class of freshmen...2,345........difference of 43%

Yeah, enrollment is cyclical. How about the previous 9 years when UM's enrollment was considerably higher than msu's. What's your opinion on that?

I believe the recent drop in enrollment is directly reflecting the impact of the negative news directed at UM. As others pointed out, it is also due to the huge recruiting push MSU makes which UM isn't doing. This trend will turn around again, but unfortunately former congressman Pat Williams "Thuggery" comments which were published nationally, and the Missoulian's local serial witch hunt, have been damaging to the school and will take time to pass.

 

[Rockmeister]

Good God batman. BigSky33 nailed it with his post. We are talking about 17-18-19 year old kids here. So many variables and speaking as a parent who's child has gone through the recruiting process - the problems at UM likely played a very small role in this kids overall decision. His girlfriend may have been going to the school he ultimately picked, Delaney may have had a huge crusty snot bubble in his nose during the recruiting visit with the kid, he may have felt the depth at his position would equate to not seeing the field for two years or more, he was a Momma's boy and UM was to far away from home, some of the kids on the team treated him like shit during his visit and it did not sit well, or his Mom bought him a teddy bear for his 12th birthday and kids made fun of him - so he now hates bears. Who the F really cares. He is not a Griz and it is his loss. The Griz will be just fine without him. Se la vie (no clue if spelled right and to lazy to look it up) or whatever the hell those pussy French bastards say.

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[grizpack]

What is really damaging to UM is that Williams' comments made such national news. Quite frankly, the University (and MSU) really don't care that much about in-state students. The out-of-state students are where they generate their income. I assume, if you were thinking of sending your kid to an out of state institution, those comments would have some impact. They would if I had a daughter that I was sending to an out of state college that would cost me at least 3x as much.

 

[cclarkblues]

Good God batman. BigSky33 nailed it with his post. We are talking about 17-18-19 year old kids here. So many variables and speaking as a parent who's child has gone through the recruiting process - the problems at UM likely played a very small role in this kids overall decision. His girlfriend may have been going to the school he ultimately picked, Delaney may have had a huge crusty snot bubble in his nose during the recruiting visit with the kid, he may have felt the depth at his position would equate to not seeing the field for two years or more, he was a Momma's boy and UM was to far away from home, some of the kids on the team treated him like shit during his visit and it did not sit well, or his Mom bought him a teddy bear for his 12th birthday and kids made fun of him - so he now hates bears. Who the F really cares. He is not a Griz and it is his loss. The Griz will be just fine without him. Se la vie (no clue if spelled right and to lazy to look it up) or whatever the hell those pussy French bastards say.

(C'est la vie)

 

[G-BEARS]

Hahaha funny how quickly this thread took a turn into comparing enrollment at the two in state schools and all the other bullshit being discussed. Think the griz will be solid next year, a couple of really nice recruits in this years class as well. I think eastern got the cream of the crop in the big sky recruiting battle this year though. Obviously everything that went down with our program has affected recruiting for us to some extent, not a very big hurdle to overcome though. More like a speed bump in the road. Nothing wrong with the kid I mentioned when it comes to work ethic and character like some have mentioned. When he weighed out his options the apparent uncertainty with our program tipped the scale for him to take a different route. No big deal.

 

[statler & waldorf]

Recruits make their individual choices based on what is important to them. The point being made is that 'what has gone on' since Pflu/O'Day has been handled badly by many. Assumed guilty until proven innocent, then assumed guilty anyway is the Engstrom and feminazi way. Nothing will change until Engstrom and all the garbage below him are removed.

 

[Big Northern Griz]

Think its safe to say that the only adverse effect the events have had on recruiting is the reduction in scholarships. I've gone through the process before and have known a lot of guys that have. I can't imagine that any of the small things the NCAA penalized us for would sour a recruit. We are far enough past the sexual assault discussion and some of the negative publicity from an over-exaggeration from local media and politicians to really be past that. Delaney has done a good job of building a culture of discipline and accountability that is as good as any programs right now. Kids are going to pick schools on how they see themselves fitting in to the program, how they see themselves getting along with coaches and players, the environment, and academics, not on petty NCAA "violations". Seems like an excuse to me...

 

[argh!]

Talked to the brother of a potential out of state high school senior that the griz were recruiting. He said that all of the shit that has gone on with the program recently definitely influenced his decision not to come to Missoula. Just thought it was something worth mentioning.

Sounds like we didn't want him then, if a kid can't be motivated to want to help himself or a program overcome adversity and achieve great things the UM sure isn't for him.

You may not want him, but Delaney did.

Yeah, it's difficult to judge character. Now that we know this kid doesn't have any, I doubt UM's staff is too warm on him. But good on him for finding a place where he'll fit in. There's a lot of programs out there where losing is acceptable. This clearly wouldn't have been a good fit for him, and I respect him for recognizing that.

usually you and re/min post fairly logical stuff, but these comments are beyond stupid.

 

[G-BEARS]

Sounds like we didn't want him then, if a kid can't be motivated to want to help himself or a program overcome adversity and achieve great things the UM sure isn't for him.

You may not want him, but Delaney did.

Yeah, it's difficult to judge character. Now that we know this kid doesn't have any, I doubt UM's staff is too warm on him. But good on him for finding a place where he'll fit in. There's a lot of programs out there where losing is acceptable. This clearly wouldn't have been a good fit for him, and I respect him for recognizing that.

usually you and re/min post fairly logical stuff, but these comments are beyond stupid.

Forgive them. Someone posted something who isn't an e-griz regular, and they felt the need to prove cyber dominance. It's how the board works, no biggie.

 

[G-BEARS]

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usually you and re/min post fairly logical stuff, but these comments are beyond stupid.[/quote]

I appreciate their informative posts too, by the way. Normally some good stuff.

 

[Ken Jones]

As I read the comments within this blog, I kept thinking that the U of Montana fans are burning bridges with their negative and derogatory comments about unknown recruits.

More later.

 

[first11]

Think its safe to say that the only adverse effect the events have had on recruiting is the reduction in scholarships. I've gone through the process before and have known a lot of guys that have. I can't imagine that any of the small things the NCAA penalized us for would sour a recruit. We are far enough past the sexual assault discussion and some of the negative publicity from an over-exaggeration from local media and politicians to really be past that. Delaney has done a good job of building a culture of discipline and accountability that is as good as any programs right now. Kids are going to pick schools on how they see themselves fitting in to the program, how they see themselves getting along with coaches and players, the environment, and academics, not on petty NCAA "violations". Seems like an excuse to me...

UM needs to get their academic house in order to compete for quality athletes. These kids know that a quality education awaits them as they are viewing potential schools. UM is woefully under resourced and the education mission suffers. Public investment is critical and regents and legislators need to respond. It will come at a cost to get UM back to its days of high quality. Without an academic mission winning football or any other sport is a non starter!

 

[lynn sellegren]

What is really damaging to UM is that Williams' comments made such national news. Quite frankly, the University (and MSU) really don't care that much about in-state students. The out-of-state students are where they generate their income. I assume, if you were thinking of sending your kid to an out of state institution, those comments would have some impact. They would if I had a daughter that I was sending to an out of state college that would cost me at least 3x as much.

Only if you keep bring it up time after time. Let it die.

 

[CatsAttack]

Talked to the brother of a potential out of state high school senior that the griz were recruiting. He said that all of the shit that has gone on with the program recently definitely influenced his decision not to come to Missoula. Just thought it was something worth mentioning.

Sounds like we didn't want him then, if a kid can't be motivated to want to help himself or a program overcome adversity and achieve great things the UM sure isn't for him.

You may not want him, but Delaney did.

Yeah, it's difficult to judge character. Now that we know this kid doesn't have any, I doubt UM's staff is too warm on him. But good on him for finding a place where he'll fit in. There's a lot of programs out there where losing is acceptable. This clearly wouldn't have been a good fit for him, and I respect him for recognizing that.

Please enlighten us on how, in ANY way, shape or form, this decision reflects on this young man's character...