Rachac tweets Jordan Johnson is expelled

[GrizPony]

JJ isn't gone until the appeals are exhausted, unless he wants to give up the fight. That conduct code is so unconstitutional that the decision will be overturned almost ab initio.

 

[GRIZ737]

Herd made the ridiculous comment:

The mere allogations of improprienty should be enough to remove this player from any athletic endeavor at UM.

Are you serious? So these athletes should have no relationships with members of the opposite sex whatsoever? These relationships are part of the college experience, and when they end people get hurt emotionally. Many times the one hurt would like to strike out at the other but thankfully most times cooler heads prevail. Once that allegation is made however, both of their lives are changed forever whether the accusation is true or false. There HAS to be some type of throttle on false accusations. If you were an HR person and investigating the 2 final candidates for a job and you notice that one was an athlete at UM so you google that person and see that they "allegedly" committed rape while in college, do you think that would have any bearing on your decision? If you are unwilling to let the facts and evidence play out, then let's publish the accuser's name at the same time as the accused.

Although not the primary issue here, we could take the same path as the former football coach at Kansas took and not let his athletes use cell phones from Thursday until after the game Saturday and players were not to be seen with females after 10:00 PM on weeknights. (We could change that to 7:00 PM 7 days a week) Of course that got him 5 wins (I think) in two years and the opportunity to find a new job. Try recruiting high school kids with those paramaters

 

[Cats2506]

JJ isn't gone until the appeals are exhausted, unless he wants to give up the fight. That conduct code is so unconstitutional that the decision will be overturned almost ab initio.

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[tnt]

So straight to class, practice and home every night. Sounds like a reasonable college experience. Similar to yours?

Pretty much, not a lot of drinking, or your scholarship was at risk. Grades and class attendence were closley watched. The last thing you wanted was to be at the study table. There were a ton of campus activities that didn't involve drinking or casual sex. By the time you finished class, practice, individual gym time, homework etc. there wasn't a lot of time left. My friends who weren't on scholarship had much the same schedule but had jobs instead. Pretty much all of us scholarship lived on campus, as R&B were included. We did things as a group, most in the group paired off by senior year and were married soon after. Believe it or not the bulk of students still come to school for an education first, and the opportunity for their sport second. Party animals are still the exception.

I sent five on scholarship granted 3 were private universities but 2 were larn ge state schools. If there was ever
one of the still famous Lex Hillyard parties, they would have been out on their ass. If they had participated in even small portion of what a few Griz players do the same. If what we do know about Jj's "rape night" had occured thdy would have been expelled (drunk at a campus activity - ie forresters ball.

 

[bigtyme]

You all should read the code of conduct and the level of proof required. The "court" is nothing of the sort. It is all stacked in favor of the accuser and not the accussed. There is no due process for any student alleged to have committed an off campus sexual offense. The standard of proof is the lowest legal standard allowed. Rules of evidence do not apply. So this means nothing in terms of the merits against any student as to whether that student actually legally committed the alleged offense. People ought to be talking about the injustice of being expelled over an alleged offense you will never be charged with because there is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt, much less proof by clear and convincing evidence. Nope, all the "court" as some may call it, considers in an off campus sexual offense is proof by a preponderance of the evidence. This in an injustice for all students and I am ashamed that in our system of justice, administrative rules tied to financing are allowed to ruin students lives who are viewed under the Constitution as innocent. This goes beyond football and while you all are on e-Griz day and night you are slowly losing all of your rights. That is the real story here. I hope the news is not true, but if it is it means nothing in terms of truth.

Need I remind you that being afforded the opportunity to play college football on a full ride scholarship for the simple requirement to work hard and be a descent citizen is not too much to ask for any student athlete. The mere allogations of improprienty should be enough to remove this player from any athletic endeavor at UM. The fact that some of you think a conviction is needed before a kid could be removed from a sports team or even the university is propsterous. Some of you really need to be examining your moral compass. The "standard of proof"? Wow

No, this situation is a by-product of what "apparently" has been or has not been happening on the UM campus for years. You do not know the details and for you to say that JJ should be expelled simply because of allegations is ludicrous. This is so much bigger than JJ. It just so happens that the star quarterback is the subject of the event.

 

[putter]

Yes, these kids live inside a bubble.....no growing up, learning from mistakes etc. We have all made mistakes and a lot of them went unpunished. 99.9% of the people on this board who are saying, if my kid ever did this etc. is probably repressing most of their memories of growing up. Truth is, we want to teach our kids not to do some of the stuff we did, that is our job as parents. JJ made a huge mistake having sex with this girl and I am paying attention to the day that the actual evidence comes out. I have a daughter and I don't want her to get into a position that this may happen. NO means NO, however, the girl should not be putting herself in that position where it may go too far and the guy needs to back off if she changes her mind (this in a perfect world)

 

[FCS Go!]

.... If you are unwilling to let the facts and evidence play out, then let's publish the accuser's name at the same time as the accused.
...

The problem with this idea is perfectly illustrated by what has happened on eGriz- the accuser becomes the focus of the allegation.

The questions turn to things like:
What is the accuser's motivation for the allegation? What did the accuser do to get herself in this situation? Could the accuser have prevented the situation from happening in the first place? What is the accuser trying to hide? Why doesn't the accuser come forward into the public eye? Who is behind the accuser, directing her into making these allegations? Is the accuser mentally unstable? How many sex partners has the accuser had?

The alleged perpetrator is essentially ignored as his motivation and agenda is easy for all to understand and is socially accepted as being "normal/understandable/OK"- he wants to get laid.

The only time that the accuser even comes close to getting fair treatment in the public eye is if she is severely injured or dead. Even then many people will bring up the usual questions about whether or not she was "asking for it" by the way she dressed, how much alcohol she drank and so on.

 

[Tokyogriz]

.... If you are unwilling to let the facts and evidence play out, then let's publish the accuser's name at the same time as the accused.
...

The problem with this idea is perfectly illustrated by what has happened on eGriz- the accuser becomes the focus of the allegation.

The questions turn to things like:
What is the accuser's motivation for the allegation? What did the accuser do to get herself in this situation? Could the accuser have prevented the situation from happening in the first place? What is the accuser trying to hide? Why doesn't the accuser come forward into the public eye? Who is behind the accuser, directing her into making these allegations? Is the accuser mentally unstable? How many sex partners has the accused had?

The alleged perpetrator is essentially ignored as his motivation and agenda is easy for all to understand and is socially accepted as being "normal/understandable/OK"- he wants to get laid.

The only time that the accuser even comes close to getting fair treatment in the public eye is if she is severely injured or dead. Even then many people will bring up the usual questions about whether or not she was "asking for it" by the way she dressed, how much alcohol she drank and so on.

This is complete and utter bullshit.

In fact in modern day women are actually more empowered than a man overall. The reality is a man is in fact guilty in the public eye whenever the accusation of rape is thrown out there. This JJ case is in fact a perfect example of this. How many of the posters are on here say JJ deserves this, JJ in fact brought this on himself, JJ blah blah blah. The people saying JJ deserves this in fact KNOW NOTHING about what actually happened, they have no actual evidence other than JJ is a man and in their eye is automatically guilty of any sexual accusation.

Your not interested in actual justice your only interested in assuming the guilt of this young man with no actual evidence known on your part.

I have never said the woman in question here deserved anything or in fact is being unhonest. The truth is I dont know if she or JJ are in fact being honest or if both are somewere inbetween the truth with a drunken version of reality on both sides.

So far the worst offenders are the JJ is guilty hang em now crowd IMO for assuming guilt. The he-man woman haters arent helping either and to say the woman is lying is not right either.

As far as we all know THEY BOTH MAY BE LYING. This is why the investigation should be allowed to run its course before either one of them is judged guilty of any crime or lying. But sadly that is not the case for JJ is it. His punishment is being dealt out right now without any truth being known because he is a man. The same cant be said for the woman can it.

 

[JSWNBBY]

Standards of proof are how the real world works. This is an off campus alleged sexual offense. The most serious allegation one could have lodged against them. And yes, all it takes is a woman's word. And based on her word the machine of victim's advocates, biased investigations, and evidence that is judged by a preponderance of evidence, rolls out for the accuser. The University stacks the deck in favor of the alleded victims. Here no-one first asked why would the starting quarter back need or want to rape someone? Does he fit the profile of a sex offender? Might it be that she just might be lying? None of these questions are asked. Rather the University takes her "word" and moves forward.

And now that this "court" (who by the way is made up uf UM falculty members and students-think they might have some external pressure on them and might be worries about what will happen to them should they rule the "wrong" way) has "ruled" everyone assumes that there must be something more than her "word." You might just be wrong.

And for those of you who say, well he put himself in that situation, i ask you to consider the logical consequence of such reasoning. When you become a student athlete you must never engage in a consensual sexual encounter because what you "thought" was consensual is now considered by her to not be and the University has the power to take her "word" for it and under the system established in favor of the alleged victim you will always lose in the "court," be expelled, and lose your good name.

So much for light and truth. The University has lost its way.

 

[Growler1]

You all should read the code of conduct and the level of proof required. The "court" is nothing of the sort. It is all stacked in favor of the accuser and not the accussed. There is no due process for any student alleged to have committed an off campus sexual offense. The standard of proof is the lowest legal standard allowed. Rules of evidence do not apply. So this means nothing in terms of the merits against any student as to whether that student actually legally committed the alleged offense. People ought to be talking about the injustice of being expelled over an alleged offense you will never be charged with because there is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt, much less proof by clear and convincing evidence. Nope, all the "court" as some may call it, considers in an off campus sexual offense is proof by a preponderance of the evidence. This in an injustice for all students and I am ashamed that in our system of justice, administrative rules tied to financing are allowed to ruin students lives who are viewed under the Constitution as innocent. This goes beyond football and while you all are on e-Griz day and night you are slowly losing all of your rights. That is the real story here. I hope the news is not true, but if it is it means nothing in terms of truth.

Need I remind you that being afforded the opportunity to play college football on a full ride scholarship for the simple requirement to work hard and be a descent citizen is not too much to ask for any student athlete. The mere allogations of improprienty should be enough to remove this player from any athletic endeavor at UM. The fact that some of you think a conviction is needed before a kid could be removed from a sports team or even the university is propsterous. Some of you really need to be examining your moral compass. The "standard of proof"? Wow

If this is the case, I,m going to start work on inventing entire new offensive and defensive schemes, both of them called the "blanket accusation formation". Accuse all players of rape, all are removed from the team, and I win by forfeit every week. Sound stupid to you? No stupider than what you wrote.

No, it's definitely stupider

 

[billings_poke]

Do u suppose any of this is tied to the special investigator saying that people were less then forthcoming and not cooperating in her investigation?

 

[GRIZ737]

Yea, but which one is stupiderest?

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

.... If you are unwilling to let the facts and evidence play out, then let's publish the accuser's name at the same time as the accused.
...

The problem with this idea is perfectly illustrated by what has happened on eGriz- the accuser becomes the focus of the allegation.

The questions turn to things like:
What is the accuser's motivation for the allegation? What did the accuser do to get herself in this situation? Could the accuser have prevented the situation from happening in the first place? What is the accuser trying to hide? Why doesn't the accuser come forward into the public eye? Who is behind the accuser, directing her into making these allegations? Is the accuser mentally unstable? How many sex partners has the accused had?

The alleged perpetrator is essentially ignored as his motivation and agenda is easy for all to understand and is socially accepted as being "normal/understandable/OK"- he wants to get laid.

The only time that the accuser even comes close to getting fair treatment in the public eye is if she is severely injured or dead. Even then many people will bring up the usual questions about whether or not she was "asking for it" by the way she dressed, how much alcohol she drank and so on.

This is complete and utter bullshit.

In fact in modern day women are actually more empowered than a man overall. The reality is a man is in fact guilty in the public eye whenever the accusation of rape is thrown out there. This JJ case is in fact a perfect example of this. How many of the posters are on here say JJ deserves this, JJ in fact brought this on himself, JJ blah blah blah. The people saying JJ deserves this in fact KNOW NOTHING about what actually happened, they have no actual evidence other than JJ is a man and in their eye is automatically guilty of any sexual accusation.

Your not interested in actual justice your only interested in assuming the guilt of this young man with no actual evidence known on your part.

I have never said the woman in question here deserved anything or in fact is being unhonest. The truth is I dont know if she or JJ are in fact being honest or if both are somewere inbetween the truth with a drunken version of reality on both sides.

So far the worst offenders are the JJ is guilty hang em now crowd IMO for assuming guilt. The he-man woman haters arent helping either and to say the woman is lying is not right either.

As far as we all know THEY BOTH MAY BE LYING. This is why the investigation should be allowed to run its course before either one of them is judged guilty of any crime or lying. But sadly that is not the case for JJ is it. His punishment is being dealt out right now without any truth being known because he is a man. The same cant be said for the woman can it.

You are OFFICIALLY a bigger idiot than PlayA-RaPe

 

[JBS]

You all should read the code of conduct and the level of proof required. The "court" is nothing of the sort. It is all stacked in favor of the accuser and not the accussed. There is no due process for any student alleged to have committed an off campus sexual offense. The standard of proof is the lowest legal standard allowed. Rules of evidence do not apply. So this means nothing in terms of the merits against any student as to whether that student actually legally committed the alleged offense. People ought to be talking about the injustice of being expelled over an alleged offense you will never be charged with because there is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt, much less proof by clear and convincing evidence. Nope, all the "court" as some may call it, considers in an off campus sexual offense is proof by a preponderance of the evidence. This in an injustice for all students and I am ashamed that in our system of justice, administrative rules tied to financing are allowed to ruin students lives who are viewed under the Constitution as innocent. This goes beyond football and while you all are on e-Griz day and night you are slowly losing all of your rights. That is the real story here. I hope the news is not true, but if it is it means nothing in terms of truth.

Need I remind you that being afforded the opportunity to play college football on a full ride scholarship for the simple requirement to work hard and be a descent citizen is not too much to ask for any student athlete. The mere allogations of improprienty should be enough to remove this player from any athletic endeavor at UM. The fact that some of you think a conviction is needed before a kid could be removed from a sports team or even the university is propsterous. Some of you really need to be examining your moral compass. The "standard of proof"? Wow

If this is the case, I,m going to start work on inventing entire new offensive and defensive schemes, both of them called the "blanket accusation formation". Accuse all players of rape, all are removed from the team, and I win by forfeit every week. Sound stupid to you? No stupider than what you wrote.

No, it's definitely stupider

Hey, your back!! I hope you can last longer today.

 

[grizindabox]

Tokyo, is everything a conspiracy with you?

 

[RABIDAWG]

Standards of proof are how the real world works. This is an off campus alleged sexual offense. The most serious allegation one could have lodged against them. And yes, all it takes is a woman's word. And based on her word the machine of victim's advocates, biased investigations, and evidence that is judged by a preponderance of evidence, rolls out for the accuser. The University stacks the deck in favor of the alleded victims. Here no-one first asked why would the starting quarter back need or want to rape someone? Does he fit the profile of a sex offender? Might it be that she just might be lying? None of these questions are asked. Rather the University takes her "word" and moves forward.

And now that this "court" (who by the way is made up uf UM falculty members and students-think they might have some external pressure on them and might be worries about what will happen to them should they rule the "wrong" way) has "ruled" everyone assumes that there must be something more than her "word." You might just be wrong.

And for those of you who say, well he put himself in that situation, i ask you to consider the logical consequence of such reasoning. When you become a student athlete you must never engage in a consensual sexual encounter because what you "thought" was consensual is now considered by her to not be and the University has the power to take her "word" for it and under the system established in favor of the alleged victim you will always lose in the "court," be expelled, and lose your good name.

So much for light and truth. The University has lost its way.

I can agree.... by the way, I would think that an "accuser" wouldn't be afraid to come out of their closet and be identified. What is there to fear if you are truthful? Then let the evidence and courts decide. What is her name, anyway? As long as the accused is all over the news, don't the rest of you know her?

 

[Ursa Major]

Standards of proof are how the real world works. This is an off campus alleged sexual offense. The most serious allegation one could have lodged against them. And yes, all it takes is a woman's word. And based on her word the machine of victim's advocates, biased investigations, and evidence that is judged by a preponderance of evidence, rolls out for the accuser. The University stacks the deck in favor of the alleded victims. Here no-one first asked why would the starting quarter back need or want to rape someone? Does he fit the profile of a sex offender? Might it be that she just might be lying? None of these questions are asked. Rather the University takes her "word" and moves forward.

And now that this "court" (who by the way is made up uf UM falculty members and students-think they might have some external pressure on them and might be worries about what will happen to them should they rule the "wrong" way) has "ruled" everyone assumes that there must be something more than her "word." You might just be wrong.

And for those of you who say, well he put himself in that situation, i ask you to consider the logical consequence of such reasoning. When you become a student athlete you must never engage in a consensual sexual encounter because what you "thought" was consensual is now considered by her to not be and the University has the power to take her "word" for it and under the system established in favor of the alleged victim you will always lose in the "court," be expelled, and lose your good name.

So much for light and truth. The University has lost its way.

I can agree.... by the way, I would think that an "accuser" wouldn't be afraid to come out of their closet and be identified. What is there to fear if you are truthful? Then let the evidence and courts decide. What is her name, anyway? As long as the accused is all over the news, don't the rest of you know her?

Wow! What century did you fall into the ice? When did they unthaw you? Anyone who would out this young lady is a piece of shit.

 

[billings_poke]

I can agree.... by the way, I would think that an "accuser" wouldn't be afraid to come out of their closet and be identified. What is there to fear if you are truthful? Then let the evidence and courts decide. What is her name, anyway? As long as the accused is all over the news, don't the rest of you know her?

AS whistleblowers and intimidated witnesses all over the country have learned. What fear is there to telling the truth against popular public figures.

you gotta be kidding me here

 

[granitegriz]

Funny the many bobscat fans on here are so quick to assume this is done deal, final, throw away the key...like many on here who decree guilt until proven innocent. Scat fans are wanting so, so badly to win yet one more game in November due to player suspensions...pretty sad they are like vultures waiting for their prey.

 

[Spanky]

They have no other way to beat the Griz. :thumb: