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QB's, we are over reacting.
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garizzalies
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BINGO. Here is the best analogy I can think of: My wife races snomobiles. It pisses me off because I have never beat her using the light tree. It's not because she weighs less either, as I have raced her with much bigger sleds and she still kicks my ass. She has this incredible ability to react to the starting lights faster than anyone i've ever met. This skill has nothing to do with athletic ability or balls as she has neither. But once she beats you off the start, you'll never catch her in a 1/4 mile; doesn't matter how big of a sled you got. You can't teach that kind of reaction time--trust me, i've tried. You might be able to improve it but my ceiling is well below her floor.WaGriz4life said:
In one sentance you say she has ability. Next sentence she has no ability? Then you go on and say abilities can be improved? So Accuracy is an ablity and it can be improved, it varies from people to people. We don't know how good a kid can get until he works at it so nobody knows at any point how good the kid can get or will get depending on a varity of intangables. Do I have it now? Just a bunch of shit heals on a message board proclaiming some kid working his ass off has no ablity and will never be able to improve it enough to satisfy drunk fat guy that shelled out 45 bucks to see his team play.
ilovethecats
Well-known member
so i assume that interceptions or incompletions don't mean a qb in inaccurate either?
To take another train of thought. So what percentage of our state has accuracy greater than the U of M QBs? Then of those 10 guys how many of them are smart enough, athletic enough and willing to attend U of M and play QB?
Honestly Plue didn't understand QB play better than a bunch people who DVR games and rewatch them several times a week breaking shit down. Who has that kind of time? Go out and play ball with your kids for Gods sake. Matter of fact I'm going to take my own advise as soon as schools out today.
Shit if you have kids and your waisting time watching Griz spring practice I have to ask what are your kids doing? Go play with them.
Honestly Plue didn't understand QB play better than a bunch people who DVR games and rewatch them several times a week breaking shit down. Who has that kind of time? Go out and play ball with your kids for Gods sake. Matter of fact I'm going to take my own advise as soon as schools out today.
Shit if you have kids and your waisting time watching Griz spring practice I have to ask what are your kids doing? Go play with them.
bhwre said:ALPHAGRIZ1 said:Name one QB at any level that all of a sudden got accurate........................
Aaron rodgers...
Aaron Rodgers was accurate most of his QB life. His main drawback (supposedly) was that he was only 5'11" in High School. He would get letters back from colleges stating, "Good luck with your attempt at playing college football." Quote un-quote. And yes, the letter from Purdue said "attempt". :lol: Rodgers now is 6'2".
putter said:
Problem solved, putter. Many of us believed in fall camp that Adam B was the best passer in camp. And we saw in his only series versus ISU that he can run well as well (for a good sized TD run).
You don't get invited onto the Stanford football team at QB (Luck) and not be a very good passer :!:
RobGriz said::thumb: I think it was a little over 15 yds but you're right. I just meant the play went for 80 yds.Grizmayor said:Not raggin' on you Rob... but I think we must have watched a different play. I remember a 15-yard crossing pattern in front of a safety, that beat the other safety's blitz and left nobody deep for the Steelers. But the rest of it (and being a Bleeding Green Jets fan) I agree with. He's become a circus sideshow for Gang Green.RobGriz said:But he can throw an 80 yard td bomb over the heads of the steeler defensekurtismichael said:
Not to mention the fact that the Steelers best coverage defensive back doesn't play when the Steelers play in Denver (high altitude) because of his disease...
Adam breastcheck could be the best non playing QB the Griz have. Stanford's Harbaugh thought he was good enough to walk on. I think he should get a shot at 6 plays min. If he throws it in the dirt, then I am dead wrong. But JJ took off. DD really took off so who the hell knows until we see him play?
No, we will not see him until spring.
No, we will not see him until spring.
jagur1 said:
And the Steelers have the whole NFL as their bitches!!!
The are the SUPER BOWL most winningest team. :rockon:
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Umista said:
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Griz O Coordinator ran this Cadalac into the ditch with his limited, one-dimensional offense with a RB at QB. And was so blind and stubborn that he didn't make a change until it was too late to make the playoffs and earn the worst season in like a quarter century. 
He doesn't want to play Adam B this year because Adam will make him look wrong for not playing him from the beginning...or at the very least sooner. That's my :twocents:
The D coordinaor has done a poor job this season as well. He constantly lines the safeities up too shallow in their cover 2 pres-snap, and then the DBs look like the 3 stooges (trying to recover when the ball is thrown over the deep middle). Dennard is the only capable guy back there at CB. The coordinator has called blitzes into screens...he has just been out-guessed and beaten. Expectations were so high on him, he's got a lot to learn and prove in my opinion.
The linebackers haven't covered a pass correctly once this year either, holy crap they are bad in the pass game. Yes, of course you line up in a zone package, but once the ball is snapped and an offensive player enters your zone, it then becomes man-to-man and you have to get on that son of a bitch! The Griz defenders quard grass, not players. They wait for the ball to be thrown, and then they go try to tackle the guy later. It's as if they are clueless to the guy in their zone, which is their man! It's as if they almost want that guy to catch the ball so they can pad their stats with tackles. I've never seen such bad pass defense by any back 7 in my life.
I can't put all the blame on the position coaches and coordinators, although they certainly own their share of the blame...but I gotta admit I believe the overall Griz talent level has fallen a bit. Sure there are still some studs that belong here, but some of the the players are not as dominant as they have been in the past. Mainly in the secondary and the offensive skill players. The speed and athleticism of these other teams have caught and surpassed that of the Griz. It's a shocking difference. :shock:
Not only has the BSC changed (with the tough added teams), the Griz have hit a recruiting bump as well, and have inexperienced coordinators, making this the perfect storm for the Griz to take the fall they have taken...
He doesn't want to play Adam B this year because Adam will make him look wrong for not playing him from the beginning...or at the very least sooner. That's my :twocents:
The D coordinaor has done a poor job this season as well. He constantly lines the safeities up too shallow in their cover 2 pres-snap, and then the DBs look like the 3 stooges (trying to recover when the ball is thrown over the deep middle). Dennard is the only capable guy back there at CB. The coordinator has called blitzes into screens...he has just been out-guessed and beaten. Expectations were so high on him, he's got a lot to learn and prove in my opinion.
The linebackers haven't covered a pass correctly once this year either, holy crap they are bad in the pass game. Yes, of course you line up in a zone package, but once the ball is snapped and an offensive player enters your zone, it then becomes man-to-man and you have to get on that son of a bitch! The Griz defenders quard grass, not players. They wait for the ball to be thrown, and then they go try to tackle the guy later. It's as if they are clueless to the guy in their zone, which is their man! It's as if they almost want that guy to catch the ball so they can pad their stats with tackles. I've never seen such bad pass defense by any back 7 in my life.
I can't put all the blame on the position coaches and coordinators, although they certainly own their share of the blame...but I gotta admit I believe the overall Griz talent level has fallen a bit. Sure there are still some studs that belong here, but some of the the players are not as dominant as they have been in the past. Mainly in the secondary and the offensive skill players. The speed and athleticism of these other teams have caught and surpassed that of the Griz. It's a shocking difference. :shock:
Not only has the BSC changed (with the tough added teams), the Griz have hit a recruiting bump as well, and have inexperienced coordinators, making this the perfect storm for the Griz to take the fall they have taken...
IntuitiveGriz said:Griz O Coordinator ran this Cadalac into the ditch with his limited, one-dimensional offense with a RB at QB. And was so blind and stubborn that he didn't make a change until it was too late to make the playoffs and earn the worst season in like a quarter century.
He doesn't want to play Adam B this year because Adam will make him look wrong for not playing him from the beginning...or at the very least sooner. That's my :twocents:
The D coordinaor has done a poor job this season as well. He constantly lines the safeities up too shallow in their cover 2 pres-snap, and then the DBs look like the 3 stooges (trying to recover when the ball is thrown over the deep middle). Dennard is the only capable guy back there at CB. The coordinator has called blitzes into screens...he has just been out-guessed and beaten. Expectations were so high on him, he's got a lot to learn and prove in my opinion.
The linebackers haven't covered a pass correctly once this year either, holy crap they are bad in the pass game. Yes, of course you line up in a zone package, but once the ball is snapped and an offensive player enters your zone, it then becomes man-to-man and you have to get on that son of a bitch! The Griz defenders quard grass, not players. They wait for the ball to be thrown, and then they go try to tackle the guy later. It's as if they are clueless to the guy in their zone, which is their man! It's as if they almost want that guy to catch the ball so they can pad their stats with tackles. I've never seen such bad pass defense by any back 7 in my life.
I can't put all the blame on the position coaches and coordinators, although they certainly own their share of the blame...but I gotta admit I believe the overall Griz talent level has fallen a bit. Sure there are still some studs that belong here, but some of the the players are not as dominant as they have been in the past. Mainly in the secondary and the offensive skill players. The speed and athleticism of these other teams have caught and surpassed that of the Griz. It's a shocking difference. :shock:
Not only has the BSC changed (with the tough added teams), the Griz have hit a recruiting bump as well, and have inexperienced coordinators, making this the perfect storm for the Griz to take the fall they have taken...
I almost forgot the most important part, the Griz DBs have pass first responsibilities but they play run first. The safeties think they are linebackers and not safeties (the last line of defense). The bite on every play fake imaginable (being over-aggressive), they fail to correctly read their keys that are shouting that it's a pass, and get beat on the play-fake pass.
The linebackers sometimes have pass first responsibilities as well, but they are'nt much better at reading their keys and getting beat by the pass either. Kannongata'a is the worst offender at this. He often get's his caught going toward the play-fake with eyes in the backfield while allowing his responsibility to roam free in the flat. Once he realizes it's a pass play, he scramble back to his responsibility in chase mode, but the damage has already been done.
Raider said:
Maybe, maybe not. I just don't think we can write a guy off as having no chance of being better than he is right now. Lots of variables to consider, including the human spirit. I have every expectation of a full-on, wide-open quarterback contest starting in Spring. If Brezczek is all people say he is, he'll be the QB next year. However, I'm just not willing to pull the rug out from under some young guys who might yet surprise us. So if SSH comes back Craig Ochs, good for us. Shay is as good or better now than some Griz heroes were at similar points in their career.
granitegriz
Well-known member
Disagree with one thing--Harris is playing about the same level as Dennard. Both have dramatically improved. Next year is looking better all the time...hopefully both safeties step it up next year.
IntuitiveGriz said:Griz O Coordinator ran this Cadalac into the ditch with his limited, one-dimensional offense with a RB at QB. And was so blind and stubborn that he didn't make a change until it was too late to make the playoffs and earn the worst season in like a quarter century.
He doesn't want to play Adam B this year because Adam will make him look wrong for not playing him from the beginning...or at the very least sooner. That's my :twocents:
The D coordinaor has done a poor job this season as well. He constantly lines the safeities up too shallow in their cover 2 pres-snap, and then the DBs look like the 3 stooges (trying to recover when the ball is thrown over the deep middle). Dennard is the only capable guy back there at CB. The coordinator has called blitzes into screens...he has just been out-guessed and beaten. Expectations were so high on him, he's got a lot to learn and prove in my opinion.
The linebackers haven't covered a pass correctly once this year either, holy crap they are bad in the pass game. Yes, of course you line up in a zone package, but once the ball is snapped and an offensive player enters your zone, it then becomes man-to-man and you have to get on that son of a bitch! The Griz defenders quard grass, not players. They wait for the ball to be thrown, and then they go try to tackle the guy later. It's as if they are clueless to the guy in their zone, which is their man! It's as if they almost want that guy to catch the ball so they can pad their stats with tackles. I've never seen such bad pass defense by any back 7 in my life.
I can't put all the blame on the position coaches and coordinators, although they certainly own their share of the blame...but I gotta admit I believe the overall Griz talent level has fallen a bit. Sure there are still some studs that belong here, but some of the the players are not as dominant as they have been in the past. Mainly in the secondary and the offensive skill players. The speed and athleticism of these other teams have caught and surpassed that of the Griz. It's a shocking difference. :shock:
Not only has the BSC changed (with the tough added teams), the Griz have hit a recruiting bump as well, and have inexperienced coordinators, making this the perfect storm for the Griz to take the fall they have taken...
Stop making sense! You sound like you know what you're talking about. Available as a coach?