QB Situation

[PlayerRep]

Once more, if he gets in on a TOR having lost his BOR appeal. It is highly unlikley that a court would (or even could)over turn the process, historically the process has been repeated. In numerous cases when the process is repeated and the same verdict has been reached, the result is that the "guilty" in terms of the registrar wasn't even there no credit, no academic progress, no anything, degrees have been negated. The expulsions went back to the original dates.

Now I realize in some worlds the U of M's S*** doesn't stink. But I assure you someone will question strongly how he could be "eligible for play" if technically he wasn't even enrolled. The number of people with "standing" could be nearly endless.......

I realize you can't hear or understand what you choose not to, but again its unlikley that a judge will appoint a QB. With luck, should the worst happen JJ may be able to continue his academic career at least temporarily and recieve credit for his work should everything work to his advantage.

And who knows maybe should he lose the final appeal, he'll move on not having a big taste for litigation. Should no legal charges follow, someone will give him a second chance. He is a nearly a 4.0 student.

If he "gets in on a tro", then he has won the court battle and can play--unless the tro is overturned. The tro would likely tell the university to not expel him, and to either drop the process or re-start it with a fair investigation and using the higher clear and convincing standard. You obviously don't understand the court process.

If the university were ordered to re-do the process, then it would likely be ordered to use the higher clear and convincing standard. There would be a fair investigation and a higher standard. He would have a much better chance of winning that one. Heck, 2 of the 7 on the panel didn't vote to expel him under the lower standard and unfair process.

A court won't appoint a qb. However, a court may order the university not to expel him and to start over. He would be enrolled in school, and would presumably be able to play.

Yes, of course, he could give up at anytime.

 

[tnt]

You are eternally optimistic PR, something you don't see in your profession unless of course a retainer is being collected.

You are resting a lot on the "standard" clear and convincing is in the eye of the "voter" all 7 voted to expel him. Only 5 thought he was guilty.

 

[KoolMoeDee]

Heck, 2 of the 7 on the panel didn't vote to expel him under the lower standard and unfair process.

The campus court hearing took place May 23. The committee voted 5-2, finding the student guilty of violating the student conduct code, and voted 7-0 in favor of expulsion.

 

[PlayerRep]

Heck, 2 of the 7 on the panel didn't vote to expel him under the lower standard and unfair process.

The campus court hearing took place May 23. The committee voted 5-2, finding the student guilty of violating the student conduct code, and voted 7-0 in favor of expulsion.

True, but I was just using the term "expulsion" for short-hand regarding how the panel had decided the situation under the lower standard. Had there been no vote on the underlying incident, there would have been no expulsion.

 

[bigtyme]

In 2010 JJ played in 4 games, was 15-20 for 44 yards. Hardly a seasoned vet when the 2011 season began.

JJ averaged less than 3 yards a pass...yep, agreed...hardly a seasoned vet when he was namerd the starting QB in just his secondyear on the team--just as McKinney maybe...

I really like McKinney btw. He was considered the #1 or #2 QB in the state of Hawaii. The other top QB ended up at Oregon, and looks like he maybe the starter in his red-shirt fr season in 2012 at national power Oregon. McKinney is a player! I like Shay S-Hann too!

Not worried about QB...

Have you seen McKinney play? He has trouble throwing a 15 yard pass. He is athletic for sure, but mechanics need a lot of work. Thankfully we have TR as the OC to get him heading in the right direction, but he is NOWHERE close to being a starter with JJ, and SSH on the roster. He would be a viable backup to SSH, but don't count on your #2 Hawaii qb being the #1 UM qb as of just yet.

 

[moose/squirrel]

You are eternally optimistic PR, something you don't see in your profession unless of course a retainer is being collected.

You are resting a lot on the "standard" clear and convincing is in the eye of the "voter" all 7 voted to expel him. Only 5 thought he was guilty.

Wow 2 guys with an agenda, tnt you are getting into roll my eyes territory that I reserve for Tokyo,PR and The big bottle of beer. All you guys, shaker of salt.

 

[kemajic]

In 2010 JJ played in 4 games, was 15-20 for 44 yards. Hardly a seasoned vet when the 2011 season began.

JJ averaged less than 3 yards a pass...yep, agreed...hardly a seasoned vet when he was namerd the starting QB in just his secondyear on the team--just as McKinney maybe...

I really like McKinney btw. He was considered the #1 or #2 QB in the state of Hawaii. The other top QB ended up at Oregon, and looks like he maybe the starter in his red-shirt fr season in 2012 at national power Oregon. McKinney is a player! I like Shay S-Hann too!

Not worried about QB...

Have you seen McKinney play? He has trouble throwing a 15 yard pass. He is athletic for sure, but mechanics need a lot of work. Thankfully we have TR as the OC to get him heading in the right direction, but he is NOWHERE close to being a starter with JJ, and SSH on the roster. He would be a viable backup to SSH, but don't count on your #2 Hawaii qb being the #1 UM qb as of just yet.

You must have missed the spring game. McKinney was outstanding; he far outshined S-H, who is much slower afoot to run this offense. My money would be on McKinney.

Another clue that you must have missed the spring game is the fact that the offense under TR is going to feature the quick short passing game, not unlike Air Read. A lot of three step drops. Not only was this evident (and extremely impressive from both JJ and McKinney), but Mick has emphasized it in his spring tour. And look for far more use of TEs. It will be a ball-control passing game, going long mostly to keep the dbs honest.

 

[Grizmayor]

In 2010 JJ played in 4 games, was 15-20 for 44 yards. Hardly a seasoned vet when the 2011 season began.

JJ averaged less than 3 yards a pass...yep, agreed...hardly a seasoned vet when he was namerd the starting QB in just his secondyear on the team--just as McKinney maybe...

I really like McKinney btw. He was considered the #1 or #2 QB in the state of Hawaii. The other top QB ended up at Oregon, and looks like he maybe the starter in his red-shirt fr season in 2012 at national power Oregon. McKinney is a player! I like Shay S-Hann too!

Not worried about QB...

Have you seen McKinney play? He has trouble throwing a 15 yard pass. He is athletic for sure, but mechanics need a lot of work. Thankfully we have TR as the OC to get him heading in the right direction, but he is NOWHERE close to being a starter with JJ, and SSH on the roster. He would be a viable backup to SSH, but don't count on your #2 Hawaii qb being the #1 UM qb as of just yet.

Hey... enough of that negative stuff! You're going to ruin a lot of Wet Dreams on this board not annointing the shiny bobble as the starting quarterback. (But I agree with you 110%).

 

[tnt]

You are eternally optimistic PR, something you don't see in your profession unless of course a retainer is being collected.

You are resting a lot on the "standard" clear and convincing is in the eye of the "voter" all 7 voted to expel him. Only 5 thought he was guilty.

Wow 2 guys with an agenda, tnt you are getting into roll my eyes territory that I reserve for Tokyo,PR and The big bottle of beer. All you guys, shaker of salt.

Now that hurt, thank you for the wake up call. My only point was that if we are depending on a judge to solve this, we are in deep trouble.

I sort of defer to ol' Abe Lincoln when talked about litigation being like two skunks in a pissing contest. When the pissing is over how do you tell who the winner is.

My concern over JJ has nothing to do with football. This kid has the brains and talent to amount to something. Finding a way for him to get an education is far more important than who starts at QB. An expulsion may end is FB career, but the fact is it shouldn't stop his education. I would just hope the lawyers and judges in all their "righteousness" would do a little more to keep private honor committee proceedings private. In today's world an inappropriate joke once too often could result in the actions taken.

Heck an honor committee voted to withdraw martin Luther Kings doctorate for plagiarism.

 

[WaGriz4life]

In 2010 JJ played in 4 games, was 15-20 for 44 yards. Hardly a seasoned vet when the 2011 season began.

JJ averaged less than 3 yards a pass...yep, agreed...hardly a seasoned vet when he was namerd the starting QB in just his secondyear on the team--just as McKinney maybe...

I really like McKinney btw. He was considered the #1 or #2 QB in the state of Hawaii. The other top QB ended up at Oregon, and looks like he maybe the starter in his red-shirt fr season in 2012 at national power Oregon. McKinney is a player! I like Shay S-Hann too!

Not worried about QB...

Have you seen McKinney play? He has trouble throwing a 15 yard pass. He is athletic for sure, but mechanics need a lot of work. Thankfully we have TR as the OC to get him heading in the right direction, but he is NOWHERE close to being a starter with JJ, and SSH on the roster. He would be a viable backup to
SSH, but don't count on your #2 Hawaii qb being the #1 UM qb as of just yet.

You must have missed the spring game. McKinney was outstanding; he far outshined S-H, who is much slower afoot to run this offense. My money would be on McKinney.

Another clue that you must have missed the spring game is the fact that the offense under TR is going to feature the quick short passing game, not unlike Air Read. A lot of three step drops. Not only was this evident (and extremely impressive from both JJ and McKinney), but Mick has emphasized it in his spring tour. And look for far more use of TEs. It will be a ball-control passing game, going long mostly to keep the dbs honest.

Great post. Agree 100%. Hardy is going to have 25-30 catches this year.

Kem gets it. McKinney is the answer

 

[Growler1]

In 2010 JJ played in 4 games, was 15-20 for 44 yards. Hardly a seasoned vet when the 2011 season began.

JJ averaged less than 3 yards a pass...yep, agreed...hardly a seasoned vet when he was namerd the starting QB in just his secondyear on the team--just as McKinney maybe...

I really like McKinney btw. He was considered the #1 or #2 QB in the state of Hawaii. The other top QB ended up at Oregon, and looks like he maybe the starter in his red-shirt fr season in 2012 at national power Oregon. McKinney is a player! I like Shay S-Hann too!

Not worried about QB...

Have you seen McKinney play? He has trouble throwing a 15 yard pass. He is athletic for sure, but mechanics need a lot of work. Thankfully we have TR as the OC to get him heading in the right direction, but he is NOWHERE close to being a starter with JJ, and SSH on the roster. He would be a viable backup to SSH, but don't count on your #2 Hawaii qb being the #1 UM qb as of just yet.

Hey... enough of that negative stuff! You're going to ruin a lot of Wet Dreams on this board not annointing the shiny bobble as the starting quarterback. (But I agree with you 110%).

i am not giving up on this kid yet, but I will admit that I have not been impressed with his passing prowess in practices last season. Reminds me of Washington, very poor accuracy, and limited ability to throw deep.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

I can't wait 'til McKinney proves you wrong. On the field. Where it counts. :thumb:

 

[grizfan47]

I can't wait 'til McKinney proves you wrong. On the field. Where it counts. :thumb:

I agree. I am not the QB mechanics expert that some are but I will say that after watching McKinney in the night scrimmage I felt very confident in our future with him as QB. He was very impressive especially with his running ability. Passing will get better.

 

[zengriz]

...bezt thing about the qb situation...
...we have really strong rb situation...

... ...

 

[AllWeatherFan]

McKinney passed for 2277 yards as a senior in HS, and rushed for over 600. He'll be fine.

 

[TDiggs1]

We won't have to worry to much about our backup QB situation anymore because JJ will be the QB this fall

 

[WaGriz4life]

McKinney passed for 2277 yards as a senior in HS, and rushed for over 600. He'll be fine.

Don't go crazy on me with this, but McKinney reminds me a little of former Oregon QB Darron Thomas coming out of High School.

No, I'm not saying McKinney is as good as Darron Thomas.

 

[UMGriz75]

And who knows maybe should he lose the final appeal, he'll move on not having a big taste for litigation. Should no legal charges follow, someone will give him a second chance. He is a nearly a 4.0 student.

The problem is that he is a fine young man who works hard and is sincere about it. It was gratifying to see him evolve from a somewhat hesitant, inconsistent young QB to a confident, skilled, mature player capable of quick and accurate judgment in a relatively short amount of time.

The "female" involved in all of this, with the inconsistent stories, the appearance of vindictiveness, the likelihood that this is all a contrived charge by a spoiled brat, is just every parent's nightmare that their son is going to go off to college and have their whole life derailed by someone like that. And this isn't "blame the victim," there is every reason to believe she is far from being the victim here. And it is 180 degrees from Beau Donaldson's case.

This is a life-wrecker. He's a nice kid. This shouldn't have happened.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

Ok, so now that Gerald Kemp has decided to move on, this is what we are looking at...

1. Jordan Johnson - JR (Questionable)

Passing-----------------------------------------------------Rushing

YEAR-G/S-Att.-Comp-Int.(Pct.)=Yds.-TD-Lg------------No.-Yds.-Avg.=TD-Lg

2010-6/0-20-15-0 (.750)=44-0-15---------------------6-14-2.3=0-16

2011-13/12-343-205-9(.598)=2,400-21-51--------------89-506-5.7=4=54t

TOTAL-19/1-363-220-9(.606)=2,444-21-51--------------95-520-5.5=4-54t

2. Shay Smithwick-Hann - RS SO

YEAR-G/S-Att.-Comp-Int.-Pct.=Yds.-TD-Lg

2011-4/0-3-0-0=0-0-0-0

3. Trent McKinney - RS FR

No college experience

Fantastic. We don't know what the status of our starting QB is & the collective starting college experience of our two backups is exactly four attempt with no completions & no yards. :?

The overall depth of our quarterback position is extremely worrisome. If JJ doesn't start, we will be starting two quarterback with basically NO playing time.

This SUCKS. :?

Here's what we are looking at (as of right now not ruled out, things can change, such is life):

3rd yr player Jordan Johnson - second yr National Semi-Final Stud, having had little to no previous experience.

5th yr player Gerald Kemp - has shown great play, may return to the team.

3rd yr player Shay Smithwick-Hann - Former Griz QB Grady Bennett coached and lauded, great deep ball

2nd yr player Trent Mckinney -The #1 or #2 QB out of Hawaii (the other QB is likely the FR starter at National Power Univ of Oregon).

McKinney would be basically in the same boat Johnson was the last National Semi-Finals season, and I believe he is talented enough to lead the Griz to success in his second season just as Johnson did, and McGee did his second season in bozo.

Not to mention the new QB addition(s) come fall camp.

This is AWESOME.

 

[WaGriz4life]

I can't wait to watch Brady Gustafson throw the ball around in the fall scrimmages. A ton of people will be jumping on his bandwagon. He's gonna be a good one