QB Development

[AZGrizFan]

Gustafson was not a good QB.

He was decent. He averaged over 300 yards a game . I wasn't a fan of him and even said I was critical of him. Just saying I'd take him over Cam and the rest we have right now. Look at Gustafson stats compared to Humphrey and then talk to me.

The only stat that matters is W’s and L’s.

I’ll take Humphrey all day.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I think we need to start scouting some different states for qbs. Especially the south.

EWU has had great success in the South.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Physically, love KB. Starting now, he needs many recognition reps. Virtual reality training, anyone?

Whatever helps to get him out of the full windup and into the stretch is what he needs, imo. I suspect he makes decent reads, but by the time the ball would leave his hand the window is gone or he’s on his back. Like Kem mentioned, pretty tough to teach I would think, but who knows?

CDA, I'll try watching some of his games, when I get time. In the meantime, specifically what have you noticed? Is it a low long set up and wind up, slow motion, or combination of both, etc? I really haven't paid that close of attention. Either way, I know drills to easily take care of those issues. All it takes is chest high boxes and or pads, and 1000s of reps.

Sounds to me, off season work with a qb coach would do him wonders. We have that man locally, with Marty M. Is he too expensive, an issue with him, Hauck, the school, or what? Anyone that knows Marty well, please chime in. Why isn't he involved at this stage of his life and career? I love listening to him and Nuanez just bs. He seems like a pretty good dude.

Jordan Palmer is building a terrific reputation as well. I'm guessing, he's expensive though. I've heard of Jake Plummer working with qbs as well. Not sure, how true that is.

Who are some the other regional qb gurus?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I think we need to start scouting some different states for qbs. Especially the south.

I watched the CA CIF I-AA state championship game on TV last night. The size of the lines wasn’t FCS level, but the speed of the game was pretty damn close. Both QBs looked good, one was Ric Mirer’s son (going to San Diego), the other was likely too small to play DI, but he slung it around quickly and efficiently. Granted, this CIF division is nothing like the Open Division, but most of the playoff QBs in the Open are going P5 I believe.

I saw something a month or two ago about EWU getting a QB commit from WA who is the state player of the year (or something like that). I think marc posted it.

Anyway, I agree it would be cool to see UM branch out a bit for HS commits at QB. While MT AA is good and all, the QBs are unlikely to have faced anyone on the HS defenses who are P5 level talent. Not really the case in some other places.

 

[Jordan_20]

Addict is missing the point. Having an elite QB helps, but they don't grow on trees, and you don't need one to win. As much as you don't want to admit it, the Griz were very capable of winning it with Cam, but were not with anyone behind Cam.

If they don't grow on trees, how tf does EWU get them so easily??

My guess is that they do grow on trees and EWU is just holding out on the rest of the FCS.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Whatever helps to get him out of the full windup and into the stretch is what he needs, imo. I suspect he makes decent reads, but by the time the ball would leave his hand the window is gone or he’s on his back. Like Kem mentioned, pretty tough to teach I would think, but who knows?

CDA, I'll try watching some of his games, when I get time. In the meantime, specifically what have you noticed? Is it a low long set up and wind up, slow motion, or combination of both, etc? I really haven't paid that close of attention. Either way, I know drills to easily take care of those issues. All it takes is chest high boxes and or pads, and 1000s of reps.

Sounds to me, off season work with a qb coach would do him wonders. We have that man locally, with Marty M. Is he too expensive, an issue with him, Hauck, the school, or what? Anyone that knows Marty well, please chime in. Why isn't he involved at this stage of his life and career? I love listening to him and Nuanez just bs. He seems like a pretty good dude.

Jordan Palmer is building a terrific reputation as well. I'm guessing, he's expensive though. I've heard of Jake Plummer working with qbs as well. Not sure, how true that is.

Who are some the other regional qb gurus?

Rule, I just get the sense that he knows where to go with it, but from decision to release is delayed somehow. I noticed it in early October and posted it on the other side (though he only had 3 passes that game one of which was a Hail Mary, so really two), and have noticed it since. From read to release seems slow. I’m very far from an expert, though.

 

[daGrizJ]

Why no mention of Britt in this discussion? Several posters have said he has the skills and, I think, the confidence. Sure showed some grit and had a stellar senior year of HS after he healed from his injury. Maybe need a transfer to push him and Brown??

 

[fltheadgriz]

I would love to see DOLA from the O Line, and forgive me because I cannot remember his name, but about 10 years back he was a drop down from a midwest team, he would love to flip off the defensive team when he was on the O line. We need that type of attitude!

 

[jodcon]

My quick take on all things this thread…

Gustafson was not a good QB, he had a decent arm but that was it. The scouts looked at him for a second because he had the arm and size which could translate into NFL material, but his stock crashed as the year went on especially an awful outing in a senior game. Absolute 0 mobility, worst I can recall in a QB recently didn’t help.

Sneed was a good QB, little bit of riverboat gambler which I liked and hated at times, but willing to do whatever it took to get the job done. Which ultimately cost him time, he put himself in harms way a little too much and it bit him. Still, I felt we had a shot with him, but the 5 pick game to end it will leave a bad taste for some that will overshadow his body of work which was pretty darn good.

Cam…not bad, got better as the year went. Game manager, not dynamic playmaker, which is not easy when your running game is destroyed by injuries. He had to play a style of football he was not expecting at spring ball, and after some anemic outings the offense found their stride a bit and started putting up decent points the end of the year. Overall I think Cam did a pretty good job with what he was given, he adapted and made it work. Any other QB on our roster couldn’t have done it at their stage of development.

Going forward, I have to admit a little concern at the position. I don’t know if we have an answer or not on the roster. I have to wonder a little bit if we’re doing the greatest job of finding QB’s, really the only standout we’ve had recently is the guy Bobby drug along with him, has the last 4 recruiting classes brought us the next big thing? We’ll see, I hope so.

 

[mtgrizrule]

CDA, I'll try watching some of his games, when I get time. In the meantime, specifically what have you noticed? Is it a low long set up and wind up, slow motion, or combination of both, etc? I really haven't paid that close of attention. Either way, I know drills to easily take care of those issues. All it takes is chest high boxes and or pads, and 1000s of reps.

Sounds to me, off season work with a qb coach would do him wonders. We have that man locally, with Marty M. Is he too expensive, an issue with him, Hauck, the school, or what? Anyone that knows Marty well, please chime in. Why isn't he involved at this stage of his life and career? I love listening to him and Nuanez just bs. He seems like a pretty good dude.

Jordan Palmer is building a terrific reputation as well. I'm guessing, he's expensive though. I've heard of Jake Plummer working with qbs as well. Not sure, how true that is.

Who are some the other regional qb gurus?

Rule, I just get the sense that he knows where to go with it, but from decision to release is delayed somehow. I noticed it in early October and posted it on the other side (though he only had 3 passes that game one of which was a Hail Mary, so really two), and have noticed it since. From read to release seems slow. I’m very far from an expert, though.

If it's physical, those are easier to fix. Mental recognition is more of a challenge. You really have me curious now. I'll need to make some time break his game down. I'm used to doing it in basketball. I'll be relearning the football side. It'll be an off season challenge for me. At my age, I need minor things like this to occupy my time this winter. Thank you.

 

[24GRIZ]

I would love to see DOLA from the O Line, and forgive me because I cannot remember his name, but about 10 years back he was a drop down from a midwest team, he would love to flip off the defensive team when he was on the O line. We need that type of attitude!

JD Quinn?

 

[mtgrizrule]

My quick take on all things this thread…

Gustafson was not a good QB, he had a decent arm but that was it. The scouts looked at him for a second because he had the arm and size which could translate into NFL material, but his stock crashed as the year went on especially an awful outing in a senior game. Absolute 0 mobility, worst I can recall in a QB recently didn’t help.

Sneed was a good QB, little bit of riverboat gambler which I liked and hated at times, but willing to do whatever it took to get the job done. Which ultimately cost him time, he put himself in harms way a little too much and it bit him. Still, I felt we had a shot with him, but the 5 pick game to end it will leave a bad taste for some that will overshadow his body of work which was pretty darn good.

Cam…not bad, got better as the year went. Game manager, not dynamic playmaker, which is not easy when your running game is destroyed by injuries. He had to play a style of football he was not expecting at spring ball, and after some anemic outings the offense found their stride a bit and started putting up decent points the end of the year. Overall I think Cam did a pretty good job with what he was given, he adapted and made it work. Any other QB on our roster couldn’t have done it at their stage of development.

Going forward, I have to admit a little concern at the position. I don’t know if we have an answer or not on the roster. I have to wonder a little bit if we’re doing the greatest job of finding QB’s, really the only standout we’ve had recently is the guy Bobby drug along with him, has the last 4 recruiting classes brought us the next big thing? We’ll see, I hope so.

My 3 favorite Griz Qbs in the 2000s, Ochs, Johnson, and Sneed. I'd take any 1 of those guys to lead a team. Too bad, we didn't have 1 more year with Sneed.

 

[BillingsMafia]

Addict is missing the point. Having an elite QB helps, but they don't grow on trees, and you don't need one to win. As much as you don't want to admit it, the Griz were very capable of winning it with Cam, but were not with anyone behind Cam.

If your expectation is to make it to the quarter finals or semis then yes. You won't see a team from Montana winning the championship without an elite QB

 

[fltheadgriz]

I would love to see DOLA from the O Line, and forgive me because I cannot remember his name, but about 10 years back he was a drop down from a midwest team, he would love to flip off the defensive team when he was on the O line. We need that type of attitude!

JD Quinn?

Yes it was JD Quinn....loved his attitude and it was infectious. the O line, if I remember correctly, that year was plane nasty.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Addict is missing the point. Having an elite QB helps, but they don't grow on trees, and you don't need one to win. As much as you don't want to admit it, the Griz were very capable of winning it with Cam, but were not with anyone behind Cam.

If your expectation is to make it to the quarter finals or semis then yes. You won't see a team from Montana winning the championship without an elite QB

So is this something special just for Montana schools?

 

[jodcon]

My quick take on all things this thread…

Gustafson was not a good QB, he had a decent arm but that was it. The scouts looked at him for a second because he had the arm and size which could translate into NFL material, but his stock crashed as the year went on especially an awful outing in a senior game. Absolute 0 mobility, worst I can recall in a QB recently didn’t help.

Sneed was a good QB, little bit of riverboat gambler which I liked and hated at times, but willing to do whatever it took to get the job done. Which ultimately cost him time, he put himself in harms way a little too much and it bit him. Still, I felt we had a shot with him, but the 5 pick game to end it will leave a bad taste for some that will overshadow his body of work which was pretty darn good.

Cam…not bad, got better as the year went. Game manager, not dynamic playmaker, which is not easy when your running game is destroyed by injuries. He had to play a style of football he was not expecting at spring ball, and after some anemic outings the offense found their stride a bit and started putting up decent points the end of the year. Overall I think Cam did a pretty good job with what he was given, he adapted and made it work. Any other QB on our roster couldn’t have done it at their stage of development.

Going forward, I have to admit a little concern at the position. I don’t know if we have an answer or not on the roster. I have to wonder a little bit if we’re doing the greatest job of finding QB’s, really the only standout we’ve had recently is the guy Bobby drug along with him, has the last 4 recruiting classes brought us the next big thing? We’ll see, I hope so.

My 3 favorite Griz Qbs in the 2000s, Ochs, Johnson, and Sneed. I'd take any 1 of those guys to lead a team. Too bad, we didn't have 1 more year with Sneed.

Sneed with this bunch could have been something, his savvy and legs could have gone a long ways in overcoming the RB injuries.

 

[kemajic]

I would love to see DOLA from the O Line, and forgive me because I cannot remember his name, but about 10 years back he was a drop down from a midwest team, he would love to flip off the defensive team when he was on the O line. We need that type of attitude!

The best OL attitude came from J.D. Quinn. Still the best. Not very woke for today's culture.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

By the way, for all you "elite QB" guys, could you provide a list of all the elite FCS QBs of this current season?

 

[kemajic]

By the way, for all you "elite QB" guys, could you provide a list of all the elite FCS QBs of this current season?

Barriere, the kids at Incarnate Word and JMU for starters.

 

[mtgrizrule]

By the way, for all you "elite QB" guys, could you provide a list of all the elite FCS QBs of this current season?

Barriere, the kids at Incarnate Word and JMU for starters.

EWU's produced great qbs and wrs for how long now? Through how many coaches? I do expect a drop off soon. Moving forward, their qbs will be Best recruits. We shall see.