Program and coaching staff engagement with media & fans

[PlayerRep]

The view from the other side.

The average fan doesn't get much time with the coaches. Yes, I have met Choate a handful of times and he seems to be a good guy, a lot of fun to have a beer with. He is straight up and honest and will talk of things outside of football. In his media appearances he comes across vary much the same, he often has some rant on a subject that is bothering him, he gives ample credit to the staff and players and acknowledges places for improvement for himself as well as the staff and players. He always shows respect to the opponent. Sometimes I think we are playing the New England Patriots coached by no less than Bill Bellichick.

I hear people say that Bobby comes across the same in a personal setting, and I am sure he is a much better person than Cat fans make him out to be. In media appearances he comes across as an arrogant, narcissistic snide prick. He appears overbearing and controlling on his players. If you don't feel comfortable letting a Senior QB talk to the press without your supervision I think something has gone wrong. You don't have to give away your gameplan to show some respect to the opponent by acknowledging their playmakers and coaches abilities. I highly doubt if coaches watch each others press conferences or would take any stock in them any way. Short condescending answers to the press do nothing to further your program or to advance your cause. The point is that many of us on this side only base our opinion on his public media appearances, I know many griz fans who admit that Bobby is an asshole, but he wins. IMO Bobby's media appearances are a PR disaster for your program. We know that neither team is ever going to win over fans from the other side, but new fans are growing up each day and making choices about which team to give their loyalties too.

One more thing. Hauck is not overbearing or controlling of his players. That statement is just plain wrong, like much of what you say. This team seems to like Hauck. They have confidence that he will bring them back, and to the playoffs, as he and they have done. They have bought into his program. They like that he lifts weights with them early mornings in the offseason. That he sometimes goes up to the M with them. That he interacts with them.

This team starting buying in immediately. That was not true when Hauck first came to UM in the early 2000's

 

[cmtgrizzly]

Casual fans do not watch pressers. If you are in this conversation, you are not a causal fan. Some casual fans may see Bobby in public out and about and he is by all accounts I have heard very friendly, outgoing/engaging. I think he has been pretty good in the pressers too. Did he rub some people the wrong way in the past and just flat out piss some people off? Absolutely. He is a very competitive person and football is the outlet for that for him. I think he has toned it down quite a bit. For anyone who is a competitive person and has achieved any reasonable amount of success you certainly have this in your personality too. Unfortunately, most casual fans are not athletes/former athletes and this behavior is not well understood or well tolerated by them. Again, I think he has clearly matured and toned it down. Some have grudges that they may never get over and just cant be objective and acknowledge his improvement. I dont think he is holding his breath waiting for those people to change. The overall marketing success of MSU and the failures of UM have been ongoing for years. Long before either coach was hired. Choate has been doing a pretty good job of getting important wins and progressing the program. Hauck has too. Give him some time.
Try to be a little open minded until he gives you objective reason to not.

 

[The.Real.2506]

Casual fans do not watch pressers. If you are in this conversation, you are not a causal fan. Some casual fans may see Bobby in public out and about and he is by all accounts I have heard very friendly, outgoing/engaging. I think he has been pretty good in the pressers too. Did he rub some people the wrong way in the past and just flat out piss some people off? Absolutely. He is a very competitive person and football is the outlet for that for him. I think he has toned it down quite a bit. For anyone who is a competitive person and has achieved any reasonable amount of success you certainly have this in your personality too. Unfortunately, most casual fans are not athletes/former athletes and this behavior is not well understood or well tolerated by them. Again, I think he has clearly matured and toned it down. Some have grudges that they may never get over and just cant be objective and acknowledge his improvement. I dont think he is holding his breath waiting for those people to change. The overall marketing success of MSU and the failures of UM have been ongoing for years. Long before either coach was hired. Choate has been doing a pretty good job of getting important wins and progressing the program. Hauck has too. Give him some time.
Try to be a little open minded until he gives you objective reason to not.

Casual fans do see the news, which often include clips of the weekly presser, The also read published
articles from the media. That's kind of what the pressers are for. The casual fan that is not committed to either particular team will form opinions based on these news reports. But what the hell do I know :thumb:

 

[montanaguy]

Casual fans do not watch pressers. If you are in this conversation, you are not a causal fan. Some casual fans may see Bobby in public out and about and he is by all accounts I have heard very friendly, outgoing/engaging. I think he has been pretty good in the pressers too. Did he rub some people the wrong way in the past and just flat out piss some people off? Absolutely. He is a very competitive person and football is the outlet for that for him. I think he has toned it down quite a bit. For anyone who is a competitive person and has achieved any reasonable amount of success you certainly have this in your personality too. Unfortunately, most casual fans are not athletes/former athletes and this behavior is not well understood or well tolerated by them. Again, I think he has clearly matured and toned it down. Some have grudges that they may never get over and just cant be objective and acknowledge his improvement. I dont think he is holding his breath waiting for those people to change. The overall marketing success of MSU and the failures of UM have been ongoing for years. Long before either coach was hired. Choate has been doing a pretty good job of getting important wins and progressing the program. Hauck has too. Give him some time.
Try to be a little open minded until he gives you objective reason to not.

This a very reasoned response. Kind of a rarity in this world of emotional reasoning.

 

[cmtgrizzly]

Casual fans do not watch pressers. If you are in this conversation, you are not a causal fan. Some casual fans may see Bobby in public out and about and he is by all accounts I have heard very friendly, outgoing/engaging. I think he has been pretty good in the pressers too. Did he rub some people the wrong way in the past and just flat out piss some people off? Absolutely. He is a very competitive person and football is the outlet for that for him. I think he has toned it down quite a bit. For anyone who is a competitive person and has achieved any reasonable amount of success you certainly have this in your personality too. Unfortunately, most casual fans are not athletes/former athletes and this behavior is not well understood or well tolerated by them. Again, I think he has clearly matured and toned it down. Some have grudges that they may never get over and just cant be objective and acknowledge his improvement. I dont think he is holding his breath waiting for those people to change. The overall marketing success of MSU and the failures of UM have been ongoing for years. Long before either coach was hired. Choate has been doing a pretty good job of getting important wins and progressing the program. Hauck has too. Give him some time.
Try to be a little open minded until he gives you objective reason to not.

Casual fans do see the news, which often include clips of the weekly presser, The also read published
articles from the media. That's kind of what the pressers are for. The casual fan that is not committed to either particular team will form opinions based on these news reports. But what the hell do I know :thumb:

False. Casual fans pick teams because:
1. They are in the town or area in which they live
2. They went to the school or a family member did
3. The team wins- everyone likes a winner
4. They like the teams mascot or colors
5. Others

Not pressers. They dont care what coaches have to say. Now if Choate or Bobby stand up and yell or cuss at a media member or a fan etc. Sure they will see that and form an opinion. Might they see reprehensible behavior on the sideline during a game and form an opinion sure. Not pressers. They dont care.

 

[grizindabox]

It amazes me that people think this thread is all about Bobby. It is about how Bobby's interactions with the media are a microcosm of the entire athletic department. If the rest of the athletic department did a better job reaching out with content etc for people that are not the diehard fan, then what Bobby does with the media wouldn't be as magnified by that group.

 

[cmtgrizzly]

It amazes me that people think this thread is all about Bobby. It is about how Bobby's interactions with the media are a microcosm of the entire athletic department. If the rest of the athletic department did a better job reaching out with content etc for people that are not the diehard fan, then what Bobby does with the media wouldn't be as magnified by that group.

I agree the problem UM hs had with marketing and media have very little to do with Bobby.

This is not isolated to athletics either.

 

[grizindabox]

It amazes me that people think this thread is all about Bobby. It is about how Bobby's interactions with the media are a microcosm of the entire athletic department. If the rest of the athletic department did a better job reaching out with content etc for people that are not the diehard fan, then what Bobby does with the media wouldn't be as magnified by that group.

I agree the problem UM hs had with marketing and media have very little to do with Bobby.

This is not isolated to athletics either.

Correct.

 

[PlayerRep]

Casual fans do not watch pressers. If you are in this conversation, you are not a causal fan. Some casual fans may see Bobby in public out and about and he is by all accounts I have heard very friendly, outgoing/engaging. I think he has been pretty good in the pressers too. Did he rub some people the wrong way in the past and just flat out piss some people off? Absolutely. He is a very competitive person and football is the outlet for that for him. I think he has toned it down quite a bit. For anyone who is a competitive person and has achieved any reasonable amount of success you certainly have this in your personality too. Unfortunately, most casual fans are not athletes/former athletes and this behavior is not well understood or well tolerated by them. Again, I think he has clearly matured and toned it down. Some have grudges that they may never get over and just cant be objective and acknowledge his improvement. I dont think he is holding his breath waiting for those people to change. The overall marketing success of MSU and the failures of UM have been ongoing for years. Long before either coach was hired. Choate has been doing a pretty good job of getting important wins and progressing the program. Hauck has too. Give him some time.
Try to be a little open minded until he gives you objective reason to not.

Casual fans do see the news, which often include clips of the weekly presser, The also read published
articles from the media. That's kind of what the pressers are for. The casual fan that is not committed to either particular team will form opinions based on these news reports. But what the hell do I know :thumb:

Casual fans who see some of the clips have a higher opinion of Hauck than Choate.

 

[PlayerRep]

It amazes me that people think this thread is all about Bobby. It is about how Bobby's interactions with the media are a microcosm of the entire athletic department. If the rest of the athletic department did a better job reaching out with content etc for people that are not the diehard fan, then what Bobby does with the media wouldn't be as magnified by that group.

Huh? Please explain what you are trying to say.

 

[ilovethecats]

Casual fans do not watch pressers. If you are in this conversation, you are not a causal fan. Some casual fans may see Bobby in public out and about and he is by all accounts I have heard very friendly, outgoing/engaging. I think he has been pretty good in the pressers too. Did he rub some people the wrong way in the past and just flat out piss some people off? Absolutely. He is a very competitive person and football is the outlet for that for him. I think he has toned it down quite a bit. For anyone who is a competitive person and has achieved any reasonable amount of success you certainly have this in your personality too. Unfortunately, most casual fans are not athletes/former athletes and this behavior is not well understood or well tolerated by them. Again, I think he has clearly matured and toned it down. Some have grudges that they may never get over and just cant be objective and acknowledge his improvement. I dont think he is holding his breath waiting for those people to change. The overall marketing success of MSU and the failures of UM have been ongoing for years. Long before either coach was hired. Choate has been doing a pretty good job of getting important wins and progressing the program. Hauck has too. Give him some time.
Try to be a little open minded until he gives you objective reason to not.

Casual fans do see the news, which often include clips of the weekly presser, The also read published
articles from the media. That's kind of what the pressers are for. The casual fan that is not committed to either particular team will form opinions based on these news reports. But what the hell do I know :thumb:

Casual fans who see some of the clips have a higher opinion of Hauck than Choate.

:lol:

 

[PlayerRep]

Casual fans do not watch pressers. If you are in this conversation, you are not a causal fan. Some casual fans may see Bobby in public out and about and he is by all accounts I have heard very friendly, outgoing/engaging. I think he has been pretty good in the pressers too. Did he rub some people the wrong way in the past and just flat out piss some people off? Absolutely. He is a very competitive person and football is the outlet for that for him. I think he has toned it down quite a bit. For anyone who is a competitive person and has achieved any reasonable amount of success you certainly have this in your personality too. Unfortunately, most casual fans are not athletes/former athletes and this behavior is not well understood or well tolerated by them. Again, I think he has clearly matured and toned it down. Some have grudges that they may never get over and just cant be objective and acknowledge his improvement. I dont think he is holding his breath waiting for those people to change. The overall marketing success of MSU and the failures of UM have been ongoing for years. Long before either coach was hired. Choate has been doing a pretty good job of getting important wins and progressing the program. Hauck has too. Give him some time.
Try to be a little open minded until he gives you objective reason to not.

Casual fans do see the news, which often include clips of the weekly presser, The also read published
articles from the media. That's kind of what the pressers are for. The casual fan that is not committed to either particular team will form opinions based on these news reports. But what the hell do I know :thumb:

Casual fans who see some of the clips have a higher opinion of Hauck than Choate.

:lol:

Got anything of substance to post?

 

[ilovethecats]

Casual fans do see the news, which often include clips of the weekly presser, The also read published
articles from the media. That's kind of what the pressers are for. The casual fan that is not committed to either particular team will form opinions based on these news reports. But what the hell do I know :thumb:

Casual fans who see some of the clips have a higher opinion of Hauck than Choate.

:lol:

Got anything of substance to post?

Why would I? You said something funny and I laughed. What’s the harm in that?

 

[PlayerRep]

Casual fans who see some of the clips have a higher opinion of Hauck than Choate.

:lol:

Got anything of substance to post?

Why would I? You said something funny and I laughed. What’s the harm in that?

I didn't say anything funny. I made a true and accurate post. You put up an emoji. Again, do you have anything substance to say?

 

[ilovethecats]

:lol:

Got anything of substance to post?

Why would I? You said something funny and I laughed. What’s the harm in that?

I didn't say anything funny. I made a true and accurate post. You put up an emoji. Again, do you have anything substance to say?

Oh, you were being serious?! :shock:

Honestly had no idea. Well geeze. As someone who always insists on people to give facts for their outrageous claims, I’d be fascinated to hear yours! How are you able to determine that casual fans have a higher opinion of Hauck than they do Choate?

I don’t have an opinion either way but I assume there must be data somewhere to back this claim. From the outside looking in, it appears to be something that would be very difficult to prove.

Again my apologies for the :lol: . I thought you were being funny....

 

[The.Real.2506]

Got anything of substance to post?

Why would I? You said something funny and I laughed. What’s the harm in that?

I didn't say anything funny. I made a true and accurate post. You put up an emoji. Again, do you have anything substance to say?

Oh, you were being serious?! :shock:

Honestly had no idea. Well geeze. As someone who always insists on people to give facts for their outrageous claims, I’d be fascinated to hear yours! How are you able to determine that casual fans have a higher opinion of Hauck than they do Choate?

I don’t have an opinion either way but I assume there must be data somewhere to back this claim. From the outside looking in, it appears to be something that would be very difficult to prove.

Again my apologies for the :lol: . I thought you were being funny....

don't bother, PR is like trying to have an adult discussion with your little sister is in the room and she demanding attention, she makes no sense and has nothing to add, but talks the loudest and trys to disrupt everything. It's really kind of sad

 

[PlayerRep]

Got anything of substance to post?

Why would I? You said something funny and I laughed. What’s the harm in that?

I didn't say anything funny. I made a true and accurate post. You put up an emoji. Again, do you have anything substance to say?

Oh, you were being serious?! :shock:

Honestly had no idea. Well geeze. As someone who always insists on people to give facts for their outrageous claims, I’d be fascinated to hear yours! How are you able to determine that casual fans have a higher opinion of Hauck than they do Choate?

I don’t have an opinion either way but I assume there must be data somewhere to back this claim. From the outside looking in, it appears to be something that would be very difficult to prove.

Again my apologies for the :lol: . I thought you were being funny....

I've done my own antidotal "study". Most people I talk to, including some Bozeman Cat fans, like or are fine with Hauck. They're no so sure about Choate. That's all. How about your assertion that everyone, or every Cat fans, doesn't like Hauck? What's your evidence to back up your assertion?

 

[ilovethecats]

Why would I? You said something funny and I laughed. What’s the harm in that?

I didn't say anything funny. I made a true and accurate post. You put up an emoji. Again, do you have anything substance to say?

Oh, you were being serious?! :shock:

Honestly had no idea. Well geeze. As someone who always insists on people to give facts for their outrageous claims, I’d be fascinated to hear yours! How are you able to determine that casual fans have a higher opinion of Hauck than they do Choate?

I don’t have an opinion either way but I assume there must be data somewhere to back this claim. From the outside looking in, it appears to be something that would be very difficult to prove.

Again my apologies for the :lol: . I thought you were being funny....

I've done my own antidotal "study". Most people I talk to, including some Bozeman Cat fans, like or are fine with Hauck. They're no so sure about Choate. That's all. How about your assertion that everyone, or every Cat fans, doesn't like Hauck? What's your evidence to back up your assertion?

What?

I never asserted that. If you re-read you'll notice that I said I don't have an opinion either way in regards to how the casual fan views these two men. I'm on record not only saying that I don't mind Hauck, but that I think he and Choate are actually VERY similar from my interactions with them both.

I just found it a very funny claim that is impossible to prove either way. Hence the :lol: .

I really didn't think you were being serious. Apparently you were. In which case the discussion isn't worth my time as I don't have an opinion, and if I did one way or the other it would be impossible to prove.

I'll stick with my viewpoint that some people love Choate, some people hate Choate. Some people love Hauck, some people hate Hauck. :thumb:

 

[PlayerRep]

I didn't say anything funny. I made a true and accurate post. You put up an emoji. Again, do you have anything substance to say?

Oh, you were being serious?! :shock:

Honestly had no idea. Well geeze. As someone who always insists on people to give facts for their outrageous claims, I’d be fascinated to hear yours! How are you able to determine that casual fans have a higher opinion of Hauck than they do Choate?

I don’t have an opinion either way but I assume there must be data somewhere to back this claim. From the outside looking in, it appears to be something that would be very difficult to prove.

Again my apologies for the :lol: . I thought you were being funny....

I've done my own antidotal "study". Most people I talk to, including some Bozeman Cat fans, like or are fine with Hauck. They're no so sure about Choate. That's all. How about your assertion that everyone, or every Cat fans, doesn't like Hauck? What's your evidence to back up your assertion?

What?

I never asserted that. If you re-read you'll notice that I said I don't have an opinion either way in regards to how the casual fan views these two men. I'm on record not only saying that I don't mind Hauck, but that I think he and Choate are actually VERY similar from my interactions with them both.

I just found it a very funny claim that is impossible to prove either way. Hence the :lol: .

I really didn't think you were being serious. Apparently you were. In which case the discussion isn't worth my time as I don't have an opinion, and if I did one way or the other it would be impossible to prove.

I'll stick with my viewpoint that some people love Choate, some people hate Choate. Some people love Hauck, some people hate Hauck. :thumb:

Okay. Got it. Here’s some advice. Next time something like this comes up. Don’t respond the way you did.

 

[ilovethecats]

Oh, you were being serious?! :shock:

Honestly had no idea. Well geeze. As someone who always insists on people to give facts for their outrageous claims, I’d be fascinated to hear yours! How are you able to determine that casual fans have a higher opinion of Hauck than they do Choate?

I don’t have an opinion either way but I assume there must be data somewhere to back this claim. From the outside looking in, it appears to be something that would be very difficult to prove.

Again my apologies for the :lol: . I thought you were being funny....

I've done my own antidotal "study". Most people I talk to, including some Bozeman Cat fans, like or are fine with Hauck. They're no so sure about Choate. That's all. How about your assertion that everyone, or every Cat fans, doesn't like Hauck? What's your evidence to back up your assertion?

What?

I never asserted that. If you re-read you'll notice that I said I don't have an opinion either way in regards to how the casual fan views these two men. I'm on record not only saying that I don't mind Hauck, but that I think he and Choate are actually VERY similar from my interactions with them both.

I just found it a very funny claim that is impossible to prove either way. Hence the :lol: .

I really didn't think you were being serious. Apparently you were. In which case the discussion isn't worth my time as I don't have an opinion, and if I did one way or the other it would be impossible to prove.

I'll stick with my viewpoint that some people love Choate, some people hate Choate. Some people love Hauck, some people hate Hauck. :thumb:

Okay. Got it. Here’s some advice. Next time something like this comes up. Don’t respond the way you did.

And here's some advice for you. When making asinine claims about other people that couldn't possibly be proven one way or the other, make it clear if you're joking or being serious. Or even better, just don't make asinine claims about other people that couldn't possibly be proven one way or the other! :lol: :thumb: