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Post Game: Too Little Too Late
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Bear Spray said:
EWU's O was pretty predictable too...receiver finds a soft spot in the zone coverage, VA scrambles around and away from pressure and contacts the receiver 15-18 yards down field, then the DB's flail around like middle-schoolers and get faked out of their jocks repeatedly as the receiver prances into the end zone.
Robsnotes4u
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GoGriz14 said:
Dead on.
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a quick observation,,,,just watched the recording and it is amazing how much pressure their 3 man d-line put on jj...five blocking three and he still had to break the pocket numerous times in the first three qtrs. of the game...our o-line not doing it on pass protection either...
Bear Spray
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The bulk of the work by EW was short passes, in front of soft D. Again and again. They scored on the longer passes, but those were set up by taking what was easy. EW avoided the pass rush by throwing short routes......that the Griz let them have. If the Griz had committed to stopping the short passing game, could EW have run on them?AZGrizFan said:
Bear Spray said:
Agreed. Obviously, the defensive game plan going in was to allow the short stuff and not get beat deep...but when that obviously stopped working, in my opinion, they should have at least tried to be physical against their receivers at the line. It was amazing how many times we gave them the sticks...
kurtismichael
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BWahlberg said:
I believe the Palmer brothers played at Big Sky and they were on some pretty good Griz teams.
Mr. Greenjeans said:
agree they cannot hold the defensive player going east and west...watching the game over you could see that they could not hold containment and stay up with the d line speed if the play took more than 2 seconds to develop whether it be a pass or a run.......oh, and the missed assignments....out played and out coached....they are not prepared as well as they should be at this level....ty said it of his defense that he could have prepared them better for this game. something is missing that the griz have had in the past and it is being prepared each week by the coaches.....for play calling, making adjustments, assignments, blocking, tackling and not playing lb's to cover on long pass plays.
tenyardpass
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AZGrizFan said:
Yes but how many of those incomplete passes were the same very long low percentage passes they run after failing the dives/traps/etc.?
Don't get me wrong, I love the running game we have, but against our tougher competitors the o-line has not been able to open the necessary gaps for our small quick backs yet we keep putting ourselves in 3rd and longs because of it.
All most of us are saying is that we NEED to add some screen passes, slants, short/mid range high percentage type passes..... It seems most of our passing game this season has been those low percentage long passes we have been attempting after being left with 3rd and long so many times this season after the failed run attempts. Yes, we have hit a few of those long passes and they were phenomenal, but we are all just saying to mix in more of the screen passes and higher percentage short range passes into our studs Canada and Van where they could make the high percentage catch, and then make players miss and scoot down field with their speed and athleticism.
PhxGriz said:
Gragg isnt calling the plays. We have two OC's. The play calling is brought to you by the genius who called the infamous special team debacle play calling last year.
qwerty15ster
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Great post Brint. Your analysis and insight are spot on. I also appreciate reading someone who is passionate about the griz, but doesn't mindlessly troll like a few other people. Your posts are the type of posts that need to happen more often on here. I joined egriz to learn more about the griz and football in general. Posts like this help that.
Now on to this game....
First off, the griz showed character, heart, and poise in this game. The third quarter hurt a lot. I was in the student section, and a couple rows of people left after EWU went up 25. At that point, it's really easy to give up, and start thinking about next week. But the griz didn't give up. They fought hard and almost stole this game back. I remember seeing Bienemann still trying to pump up the crowd on a third down while the griz were still down big. That was quite inspiring. Although we didn't win here, the poise the griz showed on Saturday will serve them well as we play more big games in the next month.
I don't think the griz were outplayed in this game all that much. I think the game plan for the griz was (or should have been) to avoid giving EWU the big play. I don't mind when EWU hits a couple short passes for 5 to 10 yards a few times in a row. EWU is a great passing team with a great QB. We expect that to happen. What cannot happen is giving up 3 TD's when EWU was outside of the red zone (plus an additional one on the 19 yard line. I also believe that it was 3rd and long in this situation as well). The griz really only got outplayed in the big play department. Unfortunately that was enough.
Before this game, I thought if the griz won the turnover battle, they would win the game. They did technically did win the turnover battle, but not really. EWU scored a TD on the griz turnover. The griz had two very poor possessions on both EWU turnovers. I think both of those drives had potential to be real game changers, but they griz failed to do anything with either drive. So while getting turnovers is important, not getting points kills us.
I agree that the griz are not a power running team. Canada and Van (who I was very happy to see playing today) are not burly running backs who will run over LBs. They work much better in space and making people miss. So I can agree that the offensive play calling certainly has been uninspiring at times. I do not think however, that switching to a no-huddle, spread offense is the way to go. At least not most of the time. The spread works well when you have an O-line you can trust. When you spread, it's really only the 5 line-men plus maybe a RB to pass protect for the QB. This leaves the offense susceptible to getting blitzed and sacked a lot. You need a solid O-line to pick up those blitzes.Based on what we've seen so far, I can't trust the O-line to do that. I agree we've had success running the no-huddle. But I also agree that that success is enhanced by the opposing D playing not to lose. I think we could benefit from running a few more screens. A saw a couple bubble screens on Saturday, but mixing it up with some versions of a slow screen I think could do some damage.
Some of the catches I saw today were amazing on both sides of the ball. EWU receivers basically stole away a couple picks griz safeties could have had. Likewise, DAMN HENDERSON! Who taught him how to catch like that?! As a fan, the WRs were a real treat to watch.
Some EWU things happened that really surprised considering how good of a football team they are. First, game management in the first half. I think EWU had used all their timeouts with a lot of time left in the second quarter. Credit griz-nation for being loud and possibly disrupting the play-calling. But still, for such a road-tested team, that wasn't something I was expecting. Second, the horrid play-calling in the 4th. EWU needed one thing to happen at that point in the game; the clock to tick to zero. Running the ball 3 times in a row kills at least 2 minutes off the clock. Instead, EWU continued to pass the ball leading to several incompletions, (stopping the clock) and even worse, the one thing you are NEVER supposed to do when protecting a lead, throwing a pick on your half of the field. the poor play-calling by EWU allowed the griz back in the game. Unfortunately, the griz couldn't quite get there.
Overall, I am optimistic about the griz's future. We played a real good team and almost won. Our ability to stand toe to toe with EWU, especially when all seemed lost gives me hope that this team is for real. We may not be the dominant force of a few years ago, but agree with another poster that said 'not many teams would want to draw the griz in a playoff match.'
Now on to this game....
First off, the griz showed character, heart, and poise in this game. The third quarter hurt a lot. I was in the student section, and a couple rows of people left after EWU went up 25. At that point, it's really easy to give up, and start thinking about next week. But the griz didn't give up. They fought hard and almost stole this game back. I remember seeing Bienemann still trying to pump up the crowd on a third down while the griz were still down big. That was quite inspiring. Although we didn't win here, the poise the griz showed on Saturday will serve them well as we play more big games in the next month.
I don't think the griz were outplayed in this game all that much. I think the game plan for the griz was (or should have been) to avoid giving EWU the big play. I don't mind when EWU hits a couple short passes for 5 to 10 yards a few times in a row. EWU is a great passing team with a great QB. We expect that to happen. What cannot happen is giving up 3 TD's when EWU was outside of the red zone (plus an additional one on the 19 yard line. I also believe that it was 3rd and long in this situation as well). The griz really only got outplayed in the big play department. Unfortunately that was enough.
Before this game, I thought if the griz won the turnover battle, they would win the game. They did technically did win the turnover battle, but not really. EWU scored a TD on the griz turnover. The griz had two very poor possessions on both EWU turnovers. I think both of those drives had potential to be real game changers, but they griz failed to do anything with either drive. So while getting turnovers is important, not getting points kills us.
I agree that the griz are not a power running team. Canada and Van (who I was very happy to see playing today) are not burly running backs who will run over LBs. They work much better in space and making people miss. So I can agree that the offensive play calling certainly has been uninspiring at times. I do not think however, that switching to a no-huddle, spread offense is the way to go. At least not most of the time. The spread works well when you have an O-line you can trust. When you spread, it's really only the 5 line-men plus maybe a RB to pass protect for the QB. This leaves the offense susceptible to getting blitzed and sacked a lot. You need a solid O-line to pick up those blitzes.Based on what we've seen so far, I can't trust the O-line to do that. I agree we've had success running the no-huddle. But I also agree that that success is enhanced by the opposing D playing not to lose. I think we could benefit from running a few more screens. A saw a couple bubble screens on Saturday, but mixing it up with some versions of a slow screen I think could do some damage.
Some of the catches I saw today were amazing on both sides of the ball. EWU receivers basically stole away a couple picks griz safeties could have had. Likewise, DAMN HENDERSON! Who taught him how to catch like that?! As a fan, the WRs were a real treat to watch.
Some EWU things happened that really surprised considering how good of a football team they are. First, game management in the first half. I think EWU had used all their timeouts with a lot of time left in the second quarter. Credit griz-nation for being loud and possibly disrupting the play-calling. But still, for such a road-tested team, that wasn't something I was expecting. Second, the horrid play-calling in the 4th. EWU needed one thing to happen at that point in the game; the clock to tick to zero. Running the ball 3 times in a row kills at least 2 minutes off the clock. Instead, EWU continued to pass the ball leading to several incompletions, (stopping the clock) and even worse, the one thing you are NEVER supposed to do when protecting a lead, throwing a pick on your half of the field. the poor play-calling by EWU allowed the griz back in the game. Unfortunately, the griz couldn't quite get there.
Overall, I am optimistic about the griz's future. We played a real good team and almost won. Our ability to stand toe to toe with EWU, especially when all seemed lost gives me hope that this team is for real. We may not be the dominant force of a few years ago, but agree with another poster that said 'not many teams would want to draw the griz in a playoff match.'
You nailed it again Brint. I have to think that most everyone in WGS with any brains would conclude the same as you wrote. What I don't understand is we clearly have the tallent, just as good as EWU or any other team in the BSC. We play so damn lame a game plan up until our backs are to the wall. Then they pull out the playbook and move the ball almost at will. Here is an idea, lets try that at the begining of the damn game and hell maybe even the other three quarters as well. This offense has the ability to put up 40+ in every game but for some reason we just have to get that damn running game going at all cost even if its to loose the game. Let Jordy run the offense, the hell with the OC's.
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