Post Game: Baffling loss

[grizindabox]

Disagree 100%

Brady would've managed the game in the pocket better, seen the field better, panicked way less in the face of pressure, and stretched the field. Something Chalich had an issue with yesterday.

I saw the game differently. UNC played defense to take the pass away. Eight players played the pass with three down lineman. They played 3 deep safeties frequently. That is why Chalich never threw deep, "stretched the field". I don't think Brady would have thrown it long either. It is also why he ran so much. No one was open. It was 8 against 4 or 5 receivers. It is also why we ran so well and so much. He made the read or Stitt had him hand it off. For the most part except in the case of baffling play calls we took what they gave us.
People find it odd that he threw deep often against ISU but never against UNC. It wasn't odd at all. It wasn't there because of the defensive scheme.
The happy feet statement about Chalich is bogus. You take what a player is good at and use it, plus UNC's defensive scheme made the run game the sensible read more often. This game Chalich did actually keep the ball purposely on a zone/read multiple times, which didn't happen against ISU. It was obviously planned when they saw UNC's defensive scheme.
I think if Brady had played instead of running he would have had numerous throw-a-ways out of bounds because no one was open.

I saw it like you and I was there on the 50.

me as well...........that is with a 3 man rush......chad was faced with a different situation yesterday, impossible to compare to last weeks game against ISU.
he held it together the best he could.........we gave up an easy TD with the bobbled punt and could not hold them in the last series......end of story

agree...

 

[PlayerRep]

I never said Stitt makes all the right choices. I did say that there is a VERY little argument for Chalich being the better QB. Before this week Chalich had statistics against 2 awful defenses to argue his case. But he vastly under-performed against a bad defense. Now Chalich doesn't even have stats to argue his side.

The one thing Chalich has over Brady is his mobility, which we saw last week as more of a flaw than a bonus

Really? Without Chalich's legs we get blown out.

With a healthy BG, UM wins handily. BG would have picked the NC coverage apart. Chalich flushed out of the pocket too early about half of his 24 runs. And this with only a 3 man rush. Half of his swing passes were not in the right place for the receiver to catch the ball on the run. Multiple bad decisions by Chalich pulling it on read plays and getting nothing.

 

[BWahlberg]

3. Good thing Chalich was QB & not Brady; loss would have been bigger.

Disagree 100%

Brady would've managed the game in the pocket better, seen the field better, panicked way less in the face of pressure, and stretched the field. Something Chalich had an issue with yesterday.

I saw the game differently. UNC played defense to take the pass away. Eight players played the pass with three down lineman. They played 3 deep safeties frequently. That is why Chalich never threw deep, "stretched the field". I don't think Brady would have thrown it long either. It is also why he ran so much. No one was open. It was 8 against 4 or 5 receivers. It is also why we ran so well and so much. He made the read or Stitt had him hand it off. For the most part except in the case of baffling play calls we took what they gave us.
People find it odd that he threw deep often against ISU but never against UNC. It wasn't odd at all. It wasn't there because of the defensive scheme.
The happy feet statement about Chalich is bogus. You take what a player is good at and use it, plus UNC's defensive scheme made the run game the sensible read more often. This game Chalich did actually keep the ball purposely on a zone/read multiple times, which didn't happen against ISU. It was obviously planned when they saw UNC's defensive scheme.
I think if Brady had played instead of running he would have had numerous throw-a-ways out of bounds because no one was open.

Fair enough - however I do think that Brady balances out fewer sacks with more throwaways.

UNC did see to run a 3-high / cover-3 with the safeties taking the deep shots away. But really, just 1 pass longer than 10 yards...That isn't 100% on scheme.

 

[PlayerRep]

3. Good thing Chalich was QB & not Brady; loss would have been bigger.

Disagree 100%

Brady would've managed the game in the pocket better, seen the field better, panicked way less in the face of pressure, and stretched the field. Something Chalich had an issue with yesterday.

I saw the game differently. UNC played defense to take the pass away. Eight players played the pass with three down lineman. They played 3 deep safeties frequently. That is why Chalich never threw deep, "stretched the field". I don't think Brady would have thrown it long either. It is also why he ran so much. No one was open. It was 8 against 4 or 5 receivers. It is also why we ran so well and so much. He made the read or Stitt had him hand it off. For the most part except in the case of baffling play calls we took what they gave us.
People find it odd that he threw deep often against ISU but never against UNC. It wasn't odd at all. It wasn't there because of the defensive scheme.
The happy feet statement about Chalich is bogus. You take what a player is good at and use it, plus UNC's defensive scheme made the run game the sensible read more often. This game Chalich did actually keep the ball purposely on a zone/read multiple times, which didn't happen against ISU. It was obviously planned when they saw UNC's defensive scheme.
I think if Brady had played instead of running he would have had numerous throw-a-ways out of bounds because no one was open.

Fair enough - however I do think that Brady balances out fewer sacks with more throwaways.

UNC did see to run a 3-high / cover-3 with the safeties taking the deep shots away. But really, just 1 pass longer than 10 yards...That isn't 100% on scheme.

Besides throw aways, my view is that BG stands in the pocket and turns 2 yard scrambles into 10 yards passes.

 

[BWahlberg]

Disagree 100%

Brady would've managed the game in the pocket better, seen the field better, panicked way less in the face of pressure, and stretched the field. Something Chalich had an issue with yesterday.

I saw the game differently. UNC played defense to take the pass away. Eight players played the pass with three down lineman. They played 3 deep safeties frequently. That is why Chalich never threw deep, "stretched the field". I don't think Brady would have thrown it long either. It is also why he ran so much. No one was open. It was 8 against 4 or 5 receivers. It is also why we ran so well and so much. He made the read or Stitt had him hand it off. For the most part except in the case of baffling play calls we took what they gave us.
People find it odd that he threw deep often against ISU but never against UNC. It wasn't odd at all. It wasn't there because of the defensive scheme.
The happy feet statement about Chalich is bogus. You take what a player is good at and use it, plus UNC's defensive scheme made the run game the sensible read more often. This game Chalich did actually keep the ball purposely on a zone/read multiple times, which didn't happen against ISU. It was obviously planned when they saw UNC's defensive scheme.
I think if Brady had played instead of running he would have had numerous throw-a-ways out of bounds because no one was open.

Fair enough - however I do think that Brady balances out fewer sacks with more throwaways.

UNC did see to run a 3-high / cover-3 with the safeties taking the deep shots away. But really, just 1 pass longer than 10 yards...That isn't 100% on scheme.

Besides throw aways, my view is that BG stands in the pocket and turns 2 yard scrambles into 10 yards passes.

Agreed and based on his stats a little over 2/3's of the time he's got the chance to do so.

 

[kemajic]

I never said Stitt makes all the right choices. I did say that there is a VERY little argument for Chalich being the better QB. Before this week Chalich had statistics against 2 awful defenses to argue his case. But he vastly under-performed against a bad defense. Now Chalich doesn't even have stats to argue his side.

The one thing Chalich has over Brady is his mobility, which we saw last week as more of a flaw than a bonus

Really? Without Chalich's legs we get blown out.

With a healthy BG, UM wins handily. BG would have picked the NC coverage apart. Chalich flushed out of the pocket too early about half of his 24 runs. And this with only a 3 man rush. Half of his swing passes were not in the right place for the receiver to catch the ball on the run. Multiple bad decisions by Chalich pulling it on read plays and getting nothing.

Chalich was not sharp, but I'm not buying it. It's unlikely UNC plays the same defense against BG who is no threat to run. They had the film of the EWU game in which he produced 16 points against a poor defense. They would have brought more pressure and BG would likely have peppered the stands with overthrows. Our OL was being owned, receivers were not getting separation and everyone knows you beat BG with pressure. Chalich was personally responsible for several first downs when "flushed out of the pocket too early about half of his 24 runs." Also a few of his sacks were about a yard, because unlike BG, he was able to get back to near the line of scrimmage and salvage the drive.

 

[acehunter65]

Posters might look no further than Washington State to find a head coach who is also the offensive coordinator, Mike Leach. The difference being Leach is a coach who knows what he and his staff are doing and not some D2 castoffs. The longer the Griz stick with this joke of a coach the worse the program will become.

 

[PlayerRep]

I never said Stitt makes all the right choices. I did say that there is a VERY little argument for Chalich being the better QB. Before this week Chalich had statistics against 2 awful defenses to argue his case. But he vastly under-performed against a bad defense. Now Chalich doesn't even have stats to argue his side.

The one thing Chalich has over Brady is his mobility, which we saw last week as more of a flaw than a bonus

Really? Without Chalich's legs we get blown out.

With a healthy BG, UM wins handily. BG would have picked the NC coverage apart. Chalich flushed out of the pocket too early about half of his 24 runs. And this with only a 3 man rush. Half of his swing passes were not in the right place for the receiver to catch the ball on the run. Multiple bad decisions by Chalich pulling it on read plays and getting nothing.

Chalich was not sharp, but I'm not buying it. It's unlikely UNC plays the same defense against BG who is no threat to run. They had the film of the EWU game in which he produced 16 points against a poor defense. They would have brought more pressure and BG would likely have peppered the stands with overthrows. Our OL was being owned, receivers were not getting separation and everyone knows you beat BG with pressure. Chalich was personally responsible for several first downs when "flushed out of the pocket too early about half of his 24 runs." Also a few of his sacks were about a yard, because unlike BG, he was able to get back to near the line of scrimmage and salvage the drive.

BG wasn't sacked 13 times, total, in the 8 games he played this year. 6 times in conference play. Chalich was sacked 6 times on Saturday. NC had 12 sacks so far this season, coming into the game. Chalich flushed too early multiple times, and traded a dozen passing opportunities for short gains or losses. It's been the rap on him since he was at Idaho and after he came to UM.

 

[Grizzoola]

3. Good thing Chalich was QB & not Brady; loss would have been bigger.

Disagree 100% Brady would've managed the game in the pocket better, seen the field better, panicked way less in the face of pressure, and stretched the field. Something Chalich had an issue with yesterday.

Pure speculation by both of us, I think. What about my points #1 & #2?

 

[BigGrizzlyCountry]

I never said Stitt makes all the right choices. I did say that there is a VERY little argument for Chalich being the better QB. Before this week Chalich had statistics against 2 awful defenses to argue his case. But he vastly under-performed against a bad defense. Now Chalich doesn't even have stats to argue his side.

The one thing Chalich has over Brady is his mobility, which we saw last week as more of a flaw than a bonus

Really? Without Chalich's legs we get blown out.

With a healthy BG, UM wins handily. BG would have picked the NC coverage apart. Chalich flushed out of the pocket too early about half of his 24 runs. And this with only a 3 man rush. Half of his swing passes were not in the right place for the receiver to catch the ball on the run. Multiple bad decisions by Chalich pulling it on read plays and getting nothing.

Stop attacking players.

 

[PlayerRep]

I never said Stitt makes all the right choices. I did say that there is a VERY little argument for Chalich being the better QB. Before this week Chalich had statistics against 2 awful defenses to argue his case. But he vastly under-performed against a bad defense. Now Chalich doesn't even have stats to argue his side.

The one thing Chalich has over Brady is his mobility, which we saw last week as more of a flaw than a bonus

Really? Without Chalich's legs we get blown out.

With a healthy BG, UM wins handily. BG would have picked the NC coverage apart. Chalich flushed out of the pocket too early about half of his 24 runs. And this with only a 3 man rush. Half of his swing passes were not in the right place for the receiver to catch the ball on the run. Multiple bad decisions by Chalich pulling it on read plays and getting nothing.

Stop attacking players.

BigGrizC, are you sticking with this prediction you made? "Deep playoff run in 2016."

 

[BigGrizzlyCountry]

BigGrizC, are you sticking with this prediction you made? "Deep playoff run in 2016."

I'm just sticking up for Chalich, who is probably reading this board after a devastating loss. I don't know why you have to go digging through my post history.

But in this case, yes! Because I actually believe in this team. Go Griz!

 

[PlayerRep]

BigGrizC, are you sticking with this prediction you made? "Deep playoff run in 2016."

I'm just sticking up for Chalich, who is probably reading this board after a devastating loss. I don't know why you have to go digging through my post history.

But in this case, yes! Because I actually believe in this team. Go Griz!

I believe in the team too, and have consistently supported them, for about 25 years. I doubt that many players are looking at egriz this week, but who knows. Feel free to counter anything that I said about Chalich. Would be happy to hear your view point. By the way, discussing the game and players is not attacking players. Also, multiple posters have already said what I said.

 

[krammer]

what I noticed while at the game....

1. stats meant nothing after we were down 14-0....unc willing to give three yards and cloud of dust, and horizontal passing game....their 3-4-4 defense was the perfect scheme after getting the big lead. the statics mean nothing in this type of game.
2. the touch down pass that was given up early was due to one player playing zone and everyone else was man to man.....must have been the player that did not get the defensive call as everyone else was in their proper position.
3. our o line was good 5 on 3 as you would expect, but could never get to the second level to help our running backs out to break long runs,,,they were there all day.
4. we lack what unc had two of, that being 6'2" 230 pound running backs that can get the difficult yardage (goal line) and break away speed to score as well.
5. our qb just never got settled into the game, period, for what ever reason.
6. imo it seemed like we lacked the sense of urgency from the "get go"
7. playing like they did and have been away from home, my sense is this is not a playoff caliber team.

I just tried to give an honest opinion of what I noticed.

 

[griz71]

what I noticed while at the game....

1. stats meant nothing after we were down 14-0....unc willing to give three yards and cloud of dust, and horizontal passing game....their 3-4-4 defense was the perfect scheme after getting the big lead. the statics mean nothing in this type of game.
2. the touch down pass that was given up early was due to one player playing zone and everyone else was man to man.....must have been the player that did not get the defensive call as everyone else was in their proper position.
3. our o line was good 5 on 3 as you would expect, but could never get to the second level to help our running backs out to break long runs,,,they were there all day.
4. we lack what unc had two of, that being 6'2" 230 pound running backs that can get the difficult yardage (goal line) and break away speed to score as well.
5. our qb just never got settled into the game, period, for what ever reason.
6. imo it seemed like we lacked the sense of urgency from the "get go"
7. playing like they did and have been away from home, my sense is this is not a playoff caliber team.

I just tried to give an honest opinion of what I noticed.

One of the better summaries Krammer. :thumb:

 

[UMcheer2000]

Is there a link to the coaches show, or Stitt's presser after the game?

Thank you.

 

[Grisly Fan]

what I noticed while at the game....

1. stats meant nothing after we were down 14-0....unc willing to give three yards and cloud of dust, and horizontal passing game....their 3-4-4 defense was the perfect scheme after getting the big lead. the statics mean nothing in this type of game.
2. the touch down pass that was given up early was due to one player playing zone and everyone else was man to man.....must have been the player that did not get the defensive call as everyone else was in their proper position.
3. our o line was good 5 on 3 as you would expect, but could never get to the second level to help our running backs out to break long runs,,,they were there all day.
4. we lack what unc had two of, that being 6'2" 230 pound running backs that can get the difficult yardage (goal line) and break away speed to score as well.
5. our qb just never got settled into the game, period, for what ever reason.
6. imo it seemed like we lacked the sense of urgency from the "get go"
7. playing like they did and have been away from home, my sense is this is not a playoff caliber team.

I just tried to give an honest opinion of what I noticed.

One of the better summaries Krammer. :thumb:

I agree good review. It struck me as "playing not to lose". I guess that Stitt was trying to do ball control but why? They peppered their ISU the previous week and scored on average 10 points more per game than UNC throughout the season. Was he worried about losing a shootout? If so then why? That demonstrates a serious lack of confidence. I'm not saying that Chalich had a good game but he had the hot hand, why not try to ride it? Maybe Stitt knew our receivers were not going to be able to get open...? Just feels like a weird way to start a game when your offense was on a roll the previous week...

 

[krammer]

what I noticed while at the game....

1. stats meant nothing after we were down 14-0....unc willing to give three yards and cloud of dust, and horizontal passing game....their 3-4-4 defense was the perfect scheme after getting the big lead. the statics mean nothing in this type of game.
2. the touch down pass that was given up early was due to one player playing zone and everyone else was man to man.....must have been the player that did not get the defensive call as everyone else was in their proper position.
3. our o line was good 5 on 3 as you would expect, but could never get to the second level to help our running backs out to break long runs,,,they were there all day.
4. we lack what unc had two of, that being 6'2" 230 pound running backs that can get the difficult yardage (goal line) and break away speed to score as well.
5. our qb just never got settled into the game, period, for what ever reason.
6. imo it seemed like we lacked the sense of urgency from the "get go"
7. playing like they did and have been away from home, my sense is this is not a playoff caliber team.

I just tried to give an honest opinion of what I noticed.

One of the better summaries Krammer. :thumb:

thanks griz71, it was difficult to write this about the griz we all pull for, however I believe this to be a fair and accurate description of what happened this past Saturday...? becomes, how do we correct it and get better.

 

[IdahoGrizFan]

I saw another thread that said welcome to Sucksville.

I am starting to think that most of the whiny butts on this board need to move to that burg.
If you are a true Griz fan then get behind them and cheer them on.
Many of you are starting to remind me of the Hillary supporters who lost and are now marching around saying Stitt is not my coach..... If that's the case move to Canada.


I have a feeling the Griz will dismantle the Bobcats this weekend.
And even if they don't...... Go Griz!

 

[Ursus1]

Is there a link to the coaches show, or Stitt's presser after the game?

Thank you.

I watched the show...said mistakes by freshmen and the usual "young team" excuses. No blame taken by himself of any coaching. All was players mistakes, misalignments, not making plays etc.