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Position Comparisons

garizzalies said:
anyone who puts Cody Kirk in the same sentence as Chase Reynolds needs to have their head examined (it doesn't matter how you qualify the sentence). I don't get the infatuation with CK at all; I've never seen a more average RB get so much hype.

And i personally don't think LBJ can hold JJ's jock. He might have a stronger arm than JJ but that's about it and arm strength doesn't mean shit if you're not accurate. LBJ's "accuracy" seems to be limited to systematic repetition, meaning he's okay if the play goes exactly as practiced, but once it breaks down, look out. I've never seen him "thread the needle" like JJ nor have i ever thought he had a nice "touch" on the ball.
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Could not agree more on the RB comparison. What did Kirk have in the game against us last year, like 55 yards on 20 plus carries. I look at it this way. Our OL against their DL and LB's advantage Griz. Their OL against our DL and LB huge advantage Griz. And in my mind not only is JJ at least equal to DM but JJ makes a huge improvement to the entire Griz offense making everyone else better.
 
garizzalies said:
anyone who puts Cody Kirk in the same sentence as Chase Reynolds needs to have their head examined (it doesn't matter how you qualify the sentence). I don't get the infatuation with CK at all; I've never seen a more average RB get so much hype.
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No shit. Maybe it's because he's a "legacy" 'scat. Kind of. :lol: :lol:
 
garizzalies said:
anyone who puts Cody Kirk in the same sentence as Chase Reynolds needs to have their head examined (it doesn't matter how you qualify the sentence). I don't get the infatuation with CK at all; I've never seen a more average RB get so much hype.

And i personally don't think LBJ can hold JJ's jock. He might have a stronger arm than JJ but that's about it and arm strength doesn't mean shit if you're not accurate. LBJ's "accuracy" seems to be limited to systematic repetition, meaning he's okay if the play goes exactly as practiced, but once it breaks down, look out. I've never seen him "thread the needle" like JJ nor have i ever thought he had a nice "touch" on the ball.
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Kirk will never see a NFL locker room as a player. Kirk will not even make the CFL or any credible indoor league. What a joke to compare him or even say he is better than Chase!
 
we all agree we have better o lines than m.s.u. every year, but kirk is 5.2 per carry for his career so far and chase was 5.1. chase will have more rushing tds, but considering he ran behind a better line i don't think that its crazy to say kirk is as good a reynolds.
 
I do hate to be the guy to piss in everybody’s rice crispies but those of you who think the o-line has nothing do with how many yards a rb racks up are the ones who need their heads examined. Kirk is probably stronger than anybody the cats have up front blocking for him. The cats o-line from last year got about as much push as a stiff breeze and Kirk still gained ~1000 and ~5 yds a carry. O.J. frickin’ Simpson couldn’t have done any better behind their o-line. I would be surprised if half of them actually had hair on their balls. The bobcats plan to trot the same bunch of wieners out this year and that is why they can’t win against anybody good. They are all a year older and maybe slightly bigger but still a way below BSC o-line. If CK would have had his career behind the griz o-line his numbers would have been as good as Chase Reynolds that’s just the way it is folks.
 
garizzalies said:
anyone who puts Cody Kirk in the same sentence as Chase Reynolds needs to have their head examined (it doesn't matter how you qualify the sentence). I don't get the infatuation with CK at all; I've never seen a more average RB get so much hype.

And i personally don't think LBJ can hold JJ's jock. He might have a stronger arm than JJ but that's about it and arm strength doesn't mean shit if you're not accurate. LBJ's "accuracy" seems to be limited to systematic repetition, meaning he's okay if the play goes exactly as practiced, but once it breaks down, look out. I've never seen him "thread the needle" like JJ nor have i ever thought he had a nice "touch" on the ball.
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Ha ha... holy shit! You guys are obviously getting the good medical stuff in Zoo town these days. If you've never seen DM "thread the needle", throw passes "with touch", rifle lasers waaaay downfield, or "make something happen" with his arm OR his feet after the play breaks down (Which sadly happened a lot last year with our Frosh O line)... then you probably didn't watch any CAT games. Wow, that is funny! :clap: :clap: :clap:
 
Question... what makes everyone think that the griz will have such a stud front 7 in 2013? I know Coyle is a monster and you have a stud on the DL... but what else?

Pretty sure the CATS had the best defense in the Big Sky last year, and we’re usually at or near the top in most statistical categories. I don’t see anything to make me think that’s going to drastically change. I love how everyone keeps hyping the griz front seven, and discounting what we have going on with our front seven. Make no mistake about it… we are going to be tough to run against, despite what some posters have said.

We have Seniors Brad Daly and Preston Gale holding down the ends, and Senior Craig Ashworth anchoring the middle. Jr Taylor Dees and So Taylor Sheridan are battling for the other DL position, but are both good enough that they’ll both play. We have a boatload of talented depth behind them, Coe, Bignell, and Vick just to name a few. At backer we have Cole Moore, Michael Foster and Alex Singleton as the projected starters, all solid players, all Juniors. Our depth at LB with Na’a out, losing Owens, and Grusolak’s 100% return not guaranteed at this point… is my biggest concern at this point. Several great looking up and coming players that have been in the system a couple years, but unproven at this point.
Yep we lost Minter, the beast… but we’ve had an All American player on the DL every year for the past few, and I think that continues in 2013.
 
garizzalies said:
anyone who puts Cody Kirk in the same sentence as Chase Reynolds needs to have their head examined (it doesn't matter how you qualify the sentence). I don't get the infatuation with CK at all; I've never seen a more average RB get so much hype.

And i personally don't think LBJ can hold JJ's jock. He might have a stronger arm than JJ but that's about it and arm strength doesn't mean shit if you're not accurate. LBJ's "accuracy" seems to be limited to systematic repetition, meaning he's okay if the play goes exactly as practiced, but once it breaks down, look out. I've never seen him "thread the needle" like JJ nor have i ever thought he had a nice "touch" on the ball.
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Completely agree. Once LBJ gets flushed out of the pocket he often just flings it up for grabs. Also, I think people will be quite surprised by JJ's arm strength this fall.

Cody Kirk=Chase Reynolds?? PUHHLEEAASEE!!! :lol:
 
poorgriz said:
Question... what makes everyone think that the griz will have such a stud front 7 in 2013? I know Coyle is a monster and you have a stud on the DL... but what else?

Pretty sure the CATS had the best defense in the Big Sky last year, and we’re usually at or near the top in most statistical categories. I don’t see anything to make me think that’s going to drastically change. I love how everyone keeps hyping the griz front seven, and discounting what we have going on with our front seven. Make no mistake about it… we are going to be tough to run against, despite what some posters have said.

We have Seniors Brad Daly and Preston Gale holding down the ends, and Senior Craig Ashworth anchoring the middle. Jr Taylor Dees and So Taylor Sheridan are battling for the other DL position, but are both good enough that they’ll both play. We have a boatload of talented depth behind them, Coe, Bignell, and Vick just to name a few. At backer we have Cole Moore, Michael Foster and Alex Singleton as the projected starters, all solid players, all Juniors. Our depth at LB with Na’a out, losing Owens, and Grusolak’s 100% return not guaranteed at this point… is my biggest concern at this point. Several great looking up and coming players that have been in the system a couple years, but unproven at this point.
Yep we lost Minter, the beast… but we’ve had an All American player on the DL every year for the past few, and I think that continues in 2013.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :clap: :clap: :clap: The cat D may not win many big games but they'll be tough to beat in a game of 'house of cards'.
 
poorsport, LBJ looks like Tebow when he throws. That's worse than saying he throws like a girl.

Half cherokee and choctaw, I guess the only way we could settle this argument is to see if Cody gets invited to an NFL camp like Chase. Ha! Who am i kidding, we might as well wait for the second coming of the real black jesus.
 
Gotcha. I've never heard that before lol. LeBron James? If that's it, its no wonder I have no clue. No basketball for this guy
 
Yep. Not buying the Reynolds comparison either. Reynolds was special and you can make a strong argument that he was the best RB to ever play for the Griz.

Saying that, Kirk is one of the better RBs in the league. The numbers he put up behind a very inexperienced and light OL is very impressive. He's a strong runner with good acceleration and vision. He doesn't have the speed or agility to make the next level at RB, but saying he is average is far from the truth. Canada has more speed and agility, but he isn't as explosive through the hole and is not even in the same category when it comes to blocking and picking up the blitz. Kirk is better than any of our RBs at this point, but we clearly have much much better depth.

I think JJ has the potential to be on of the best in the FCS, but McGhee has already established himself as one of the best. You can't deny his talent and he's also put up some great numbers behind an OL that game him very little time to operate last year. Actually, I think this will be the year of the QB in the Big Sky. There is a load of talent at that position in the conference this year even with SUU's stud leaving.
 
I wasn't even gonna comment on that dumbass idea of Kirk and Reynolds but what the hell?? My only comment is who ever posted that... :msugrad:
 
Poorgriz, why is it "discrediting" MSU's defense by saying the Griz have a really good front seven? Sometimes people need to take off the frickin rivalry blinders and actually make a rational thought. BOTH teams can have really good defenses at the same time you know! It is allowed. I think anybody who is honest will concede MSU has been very strong statistically defensively for a while now. I know I've been impressed with the Cat defense the last few years. But you come on here and whine about Griz fans discrediting the MSU defense and follow it up with sh-tt talk about the UM defense? That makes you sound pretty stupid IMO.

Oh yeah, and about your statement regarding "what else do the Griz have besides Coyle and Wagenmann?" How about the dude who just got voted Preseason Defensive MVP, is already a two-time Big Sky First Team All-Conference LB and a 2012 FCS All-American. Jordan Tripp? Maybe you've heard of him. And Tyrone Holmes, and JP, and two returning all-conference DT's and I could go on....

I also disagree with the statement Outlaw made about Cody Kirk. I have a tremendous amount of respect for what Kirk has done and will likely do this season. He's a good kid and a damn good football player. But better than Chase if he had a better offensive line? Nah.
 
poorgriz said:
Question... what makes everyone think that the griz will have such a stud front 7 in 2013? I know Coyle is a monster and you have a stud on the DL... but what else?

Pretty sure the CATS had the best defense in the Big Sky last year
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You're spelling it wrong. It's SCATS, with an S. Scat as in poop.
 
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