Position Comparisons

[ilovethecats]

Well, now I will respectfully disagree with you. You are saying all of your coaches and staff are better? You just got your OC. How good is he? I think the Griz have several excellent coaches. MD compared to RA is one thing, but to compare all coaches is a whole different animal.

I am talking about the staffs as a whole. our new oc might be better or worse than your new oc. in some areas of the staff I have no doubt that the griz even have an edge. but comparing the two staffs in their entirety is not even a question. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone, even on this board, that would give the edge to Delaney and his guys over ash and his guys. at least right now.

 

[go96griz]

(if you graduated from MSU you may have to have someone read this to you slowly and then interpret it for you) - win the NC and people pay attention. They may even visit your teams board and you won't have to troll all day long. Until then - you simply are mediocre and your posts appear to be "desperate for attention".

Oh Good Lord.... why don't YOU explain to me REAL SLOW the differential as to the number of NC's each program has... do it REAL SLOW now so we don't miss anything.....

Let me guess - next you will talk about how great the 80's were. Turn your Huey Lewis cassette tape off and step into reality. The Cants have not seen a semi final game since when? I suppose you will want to start talking about rodeo NC's next. I am not happy the Griz were unable to win the NC a few years back, but at least they were there. You are like an ugly broad that can't get invited to the dance, but yet you can't fans keep spouting off on this board. Weak.

Lol. 13 years ago dude. It has been 13 friggen years since um's last nc. Lol. Your hypocrisy slays me!!

Hypocrisy is not getting the math right. December of 2001 was only 11 and a half years ago.

The point is that there have been plenty of championship appearances as well in 2004, 2008, 2009 along with several other semi-final appearances. UM is the poster child for FCS championship contender. In case you forget, it was only two seasons ago that we lost a close semi to SHSU. Finally, this year we are back!!

 

[Copper Griz]

(if you graduated from MSU you may have to have someone read this to you slowly and then interpret it for you) - win the NC and people pay attention. They may even visit your teams board and you won't have to troll all day long. Until then - you simply are mediocre and your posts appear to be "desperate for attention".

Oh Good Lord.... why don't YOU explain to me REAL SLOW the differential as to the number of NC's each program has... do it REAL SLOW now so we don't miss anything.....

Let me guess - next you will talk about how great the 80's were. Turn your Huey Lewis cassette tape off and step into reality. The Cants have not seen a semi final game since when? I suppose you will want to start talking about rodeo NC's next. I am not happy the Griz were unable to win the NC a few years back, but at least they were there. You are like an ugly broad that can't get invited to the dance, but yet you can't fans keep spouting off on this board. Weak.

Lol. 13 years ago dude. It has been 13 friggen years since um's last nc. Lol. Your hypocrisy slays me!!

You have excelled at being a moron today (nice math and way to avoid answering the question about the last cants semi appearance). I think you beat yourself up enough that I can be done with this. Speaking of shooting yourself in the foot.

 

[Copper Griz]

Well, now I will respectfully disagree with you. You are saying all of your coaches and staff are better? You just got your OC. How good is he? I think the Griz have several excellent coaches. MD compared to RA is one thing, but to compare all coaches is a whole different animal.

I am talking about the staffs as a whole. our new oc might be better or worse than your new oc. in some areas of the staff I have no doubt that the griz even have an edge. but comparing the two staffs in their entirety is not even a question. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone, even on this board, that would give the edge to Delaney and his guys over ash and his guys. at least right now.

So let me get this straight. You are judging this staff on one year of coaching that was on the heels of the head coach getting fired and the star QB being out of commission for the entire year? Add in a green young QB learning a new system. Do you really think that is a fair and honest comparison? Further more, will you being willing to retract your comparison at the end of the year if the Griz return to their previous form? I am certainly willing to give RA credit if he makes a deep run into the playoffs this year and he out coaches MD and company.

 

[griz4life]

This thread is sounding a lot like many of the 2011 threads in which Bobcat fans bloviated all year about what superior coaches MSU had, Rob Ash and the entire bunch. Right up until MSU barely managed to put 10 points on the board in Griz-Cat. Then, it was all about the Griz coaches stealing signals because how could "assistant coach" Pflugrad and Co. humiliate a coaching staff that was so superior?

Coach Ash's ESPN appearance during the playoff selection the following day, having lost the nation's No. 1 ranking the day before was indeed a superior display of eating crow before a national audience. I recorded it. Still makes me laugh.

This is football, not the special Olympics. You earn your gold medal the Saturday before Thanksgiving. The rest is just blather.

 

[Copper Griz]

This thread is sounding a lot like many of the 2011 threads in which Bobcat fans bloviated all year about what superior coaches MSU had, Rob Ash and the entire bunch. Right up until MSU barely managed to put 10 points on the board in Griz-Cat. Then, it was all about the Griz coaches stealing signals because how could "assistant coach" Pflugrad and Co. humiliate a coaching staff that was so superior?

Coach Ash's ESPN appearance during the playoff selection the following day, having lost the nation's No. 1 ranking the day before was indeed a superior display of eating crow before a national audience. I recorded it. Still makes me laugh.

This is football, not the special Olympics. You earn your gold medal the Saturday before Thanksgiving. The rest is just blather.

:thumb: :clap: Please stop. You are making sense and that does not resonate well with a few on the board today. Especially those who prefer yellow and blue as their school colors.

 

[grizfan95]

This thread is sounding a lot like many of the 2011 threads in which Bobcat fans bloviated all year about what superior coaches MSU had, Rob Ash and the entire bunch. Right up until MSU barely managed to put 10 points on the board in Griz-Cat. Then, it was all about the Griz coaches stealing signals because how could "assistant coach" Pflugrad and Co. humiliate a coaching staff that was so superior?

Coach Ash's ESPN appearance during the playoff selection the following day, having lost the nation's No. 1 ranking the day before was indeed a superior display of eating crow before a national audience. I recorded it. Still makes me laugh.

This is football, not the special Olympics. You earn your gold medal the Saturday before Thanksgiving. The rest is just blather.

 

[snap]

Copper. You say yellow and blue, I say lemon chiffon and tiffany blue.

 

[ilovethecats]

So let me get this straight. You are judging this staff on one year of coaching that was on the heels of the head coach getting fired and the star QB being out of commission for the entire year? Add in a green young QB learning a new system. Do you really think that is a fair and honest comparison? Further more, will you being willing to retract your comparison at the end of the year if the Griz return to their previous form? I am certainly willing to give RA credit if he makes a deep run into the playoffs this year and he out coaches MD and company.

ok let's be clear about a few things because I know many here like to just lump everyones thoughts and opinions together because i'm a cat fan. I said right in the beginning sarcastically that this was going to be a great thread. these threads are stupid because it is all just speculation months before it matters. I also said that. they are like preseason polls. they mean nothing. but many here have opined including griz fans.

is it "fair" that I think the cats staff is better? well I guess not. but none of these stupid speculations are fair. it's an opinion based on what we've seen. I could find 100 threads right now of griz fans blasting your own coaching staff. but when I dare to have the nerve to suggest that i'd take our staff over yours i'm a cat troll with blue and gold glasses or something.

fyi, I think your staff is nowhere near as bad as your fans make it appear. I expect them to improve a lot. I also have been on record defending Delaney to a point as well. so take my hypothetical opinion any way you want. you love your staff. I love mine. sorry to ruffle feathers. :thumb:

 

[grizfan95]

So let me get this straight. You are judging this staff on one year of coaching that was on the heels of the head coach getting fired and the star QB being out of commission for the entire year? Add in a green young QB learning a new system. Do you really think that is a fair and honest comparison? Further more, will you being willing to retract your comparison at the end of the year if the Griz return to their previous form? I am certainly willing to give RA credit if he makes a deep run into the playoffs this year and he out coaches MD and company.

ok let's be clear about a few things because I know many here like to just lump everyones thoughts and opinions together because i'm a cat fan. I said right in the beginning sarcastically that this was going to be a great thread. these threads are stupid because it is all just speculation months before it matters. I also said that. they are like preseason polls. they mean nothing. but many here have opined including griz fans.

is it "fair" that I think the cats staff is better? well I guess not. but none of these stupid speculations are fair. it's an opinion based on what we've seen. I could find 100 threads right now of griz fans blasting your own coaching staff. but when I dare to have the nerve to suggest that i'd take our staff over yours i'm a cat troll with blue and gold glasses or something.

fyi, I think your staff is nowhere near as bad as your fans make it appear. I expect them to improve a lot. I also have been on record defending Delaney to a point as well. so take my hypothetical opinion any way you want. you love your staff. I love mine. sorry to ruffle feathers. :thumb:

I've always been of the opinion that college football should not do any rankings until week 6. It gives an unfair advantage to teams based off nothing that has occurred in that playing year.

 

[ABQCat]

Not trying to ruffle up the collective feathers of this site and I understand I'm a guest here, but here are my thoughts on the 2013 griz. The direction of this team will be in a large part determined by the result of the App St game. On the up side, a win against a top 10 program that is making a move to FBS will have tremendous potential to catapult this team to a really good season. This is a streaky game that's played by heady kids, and you’re kidding yourself if you don’t believe that the impact of this kind of win would instill great confidence for the rest of the season. The problem is that the inverse is also true. A loss to ASU would mean that this team, inexplicably, has lost 4 of the last 5 home games. Trust me when I say the wheels will start to come off at that point. Suddenly the trips to Grand Forks and Flagstaff start to look like trouble. A loss in just one of those games after a loss of ASU would have a very negative physiological impact on the team, the coaches, and the fans. Not the fans on this board sitting in the choir, but I'm talking about the 1000's of less dedicated fans that make great investments coming to Missoula to watch the griz play. They will systematically start to give up on this team. I'm not sure Mick is the right guy to right the ship at that point (even with JJ at the helm). This is just one man’s opinion and I know that one game doesn’t make the season, but oh boy is that game is incredibly important for you guys. Seriously.

 

[grizfan95]

Not trying to ruffle up the collective feathers of this site and I understand I'm a guest here, but here are my thoughts on the 2013 griz. The direction of this team will be in a large part determined by the result of the App St game. On the up side, a win against a top 10 program that is making a move to FBS will have tremendous potential to catapult this team to a really good season. This is a streaky game that's played by heady kids, and you’re kidding yourself if you don’t believe that the impact of this kind of win would instill great confidence for the rest of the season. The problem is that the inverse is also true. A loss to ASU would mean that this team, inexplicably, has lost 4 of the last 5 home games. Trust me when I say the wheels will start to come off at that point. Suddenly the trips to Grand Forks and Flagstaff start to look like trouble. A loss in just one of those games after a loss of ASU would have a very negative physiological impact on the team, the coaches, and the fans. Not the fans on this board sitting in the choir, but I'm talking about the 1000's of less dedicated fans that make great investments coming to Missoula to watch the griz play. They will systematically start to give up on this team. I'm not sure Mick is the right guy to right the ship at that point (even with JJ at the helm). This is just one man’s opinion and I know that one game doesn’t make the season, but oh boy is that game incredibly important for you guys. Seriously.

Perhaps you're correct about the fans, but even with a loss the players won't stop competing and they have a tremendous amount of talent that I still believe they come away with 10 wins.

However, the ASU game is the first warm night game, JJ's return and the season opener; at Wa-Griz. ASU is going to have to play like an end-of-the-year team and do so nearly perfectly to take the Griz down.

 

[Copper Griz]

Copper. You say yellow and blue, I say lemon chiffon and tiffany blue.

:lol: :lol: You got me there Snap. Sadly - I had to google those colors. Obviously I did not play with my crayons enough as a kid.

 

[ABQCat]

Not trying to ruffle up the collective feathers of this site and I understand I'm a guest here, but here are my thoughts on the 2013 griz. The direction of this team will be in a large part determined by the result of the App St game. On the up side, a win against a top 10 program that is making a move to FBS will have tremendous potential to catapult this team to a really good season. This is a streaky game that's played by heady kids, and you’re kidding yourself if you don’t believe that the impact of this kind of win would instill great confidence for the rest of the season. The problem is that the inverse is also true. A loss to ASU would mean that this team, inexplicably, has lost 4 of the last 5 home games. Trust me when I say the wheels will start to come off at that point. Suddenly the trips to Grand Forks and Flagstaff start to look like trouble. A loss in just one of those games after a loss of ASU would have a very negative physiological impact on the team, the coaches, and the fans. Not the fans on this board sitting in the choir, but I'm talking about the 1000's of less dedicated fans that make great investments coming to Missoula to watch the griz play. They will systematically start to give up on this team. I'm not sure Mick is the right guy to right the ship at that point (even with JJ at the helm). This is just one man’s opinion and I know that one game doesn’t make the season, but oh boy is that game incredibly important for you guys. Seriously.

Perhaps you're correct about the fans, but even with a loss the players won't stop competing and they have a tremendous amount of talent that I still believe they come away with 10 wins.

However, the ASU game is the first warm night game, JJ's return and the season opener; at Wa-Griz. ASU is going to have to play like an end-of-the-year team and do so nearly perfectly to take the Griz down.

That I agree with and was going to make that point in my post, but I already submitted. The kids don't give up. They live and breathe this stuff and will compete in every game like it was their last. I'm not denying that. My point is that regardless of that fact, this game is very streaky. It seems the older I get, the more I appreciate the intangible and metaphysical elements of competition. There is a mentality associated with winning that doesn't show up in the stat sheets and the player profiles. When you are winning and believe you are going to win, you tend to always win (see The Streak...). I happen to know that opposite is true and you guys experienced that last year as well. There were games that you lost that you would have never lost in years past when you had the proper mentality installed (see your win against Idaho St in 2009...).

 

[Copper Griz]

Not trying to ruffle up the collective feathers of this site and I understand I'm a guest here, but here are my thoughts on the 2013 griz. The direction of this team will be in a large part determined by the result of the App St game. On the up side, a win against a top 10 program that is making a move to FBS will have tremendous potential to catapult this team to a really good season. This is a streaky game that's played by heady kids, and you’re kidding yourself if you don’t believe that the impact of this kind of win would instill great confidence for the rest of the season. The problem is that the inverse is also true. A loss to ASU would mean that this team, inexplicably, has lost 4 of the last 5 home games. Trust me when I say the wheels will start to come off at that point. Suddenly the trips to Grand Forks and Flagstaff start to look like trouble. A loss in just one of those games after a loss of ASU would have a very negative physiological impact on the team, the coaches, and the fans. Not the fans on this board sitting in the choir, but I'm talking about the 1000's of less dedicated fans that make great investments coming to Missoula to watch the griz play. They will systematically start to give up on this team. I'm not sure Mick is the right guy to right the ship at that point (even with JJ at the helm). This is just one man’s opinion and I know that one game doesn’t make the season, but oh boy is that game is incredibly important for you guys. Seriously.

Good post, but like GF95 I think home turf, rabid crowd and ASU traveling across country is going to make it tough for them to win at WaGriz. I also believe this crew of kids has a very nasty chip on their shoulder and they are MOTIVATED to prove themselves. I can't wait for this game and I don't want to start thinking about it because I love the three to four months of summer we get here in Montana and it is still July. Great to have something to look forward to though.

 

[mcg]

Not trying to ruffle up the collective feathers of this site and I understand I'm a guest here, but here are my thoughts on the 2013 griz. The direction of this team will be in a large part determined by the result of the App St game. On the up side, a win against a top 10 program that is making a move to FBS will have tremendous potential to catapult this team to a really good season. This is a streaky game that's played by heady kids, and you’re kidding yourself if you don’t believe that the impact of this kind of win would instill great confidence for the rest of the season. The problem is that the inverse is also true. A loss to ASU would mean that this team, inexplicably, has lost 4 of the last 5 home games. Trust me when I say the wheels will start to come off at that point. Suddenly the trips to Grand Forks and Flagstaff start to look like trouble. A loss in just one of those games after a loss of ASU would have a very negative physiological impact on the team, the coaches, and the fans. Not the fans on this board sitting in the choir, but I'm talking about the 1000's of less dedicated fans that make great investments coming to Missoula to watch the griz play. They will systematically start to give up on this team. I'm not sure Mick is the right guy to right the ship at that point (even with JJ at the helm). This is just one man’s opinion and I know that one game doesn’t make the season, but oh boy is that game is incredibly important for you guys. Seriously.

Good post, but like GF95 I think home turf, rabid crowd and ASU traveling across country is going to make it tough for them to win at WaGriz. I also believe this crew of kids has a very nasty chip on their shoulder and they are MOTIVATED to prove themselves. I can't wait for this game and I don't want to start thinking about it because I love the three to four months of summer we get here in Montana and it is still July. Great to have something to look forward to though.

I'm as Griz as they get but it's hard for me to be as optimistic as many on this board. I see a whole bunch of players back from a 5-6 team, it seems to me that they need to prove that they are as good as we want to believe they are, otherwise they are just veterans of a mediocre team . The coaching staff needs to prove their ability as well. They kicked off twice against UNC, it's hard for me to get past that.

As I said, I think I'm as Griz as they get and I'm all in for the Griz. It's really important to see the improvement we are all looking for. That's why App State is so important.

 

[spokaneman]

Oh Good Lord.... why don't YOU explain to me REAL SLOW the differential as to the number of NC's each program has... do it REAL SLOW now so we don't miss anything.....

Let me guess - next you will talk about how great the 80's were. Turn your Huey Lewis cassette tape off and step into reality. The Cants have not seen a semi final game since when? I suppose you will want to start talking about rodeo NC's next. I am not happy the Griz were unable to win the NC a few years back, but at least they were there. You are like an ugly broad that can't get invited to the dance, but yet you can't fans keep spouting off on this board. Weak.

Lol. 13 years ago dude. It has been 13 friggen years since um's last nc. Lol. Your hypocrisy slays me!!

Hypocrisy is not getting the math right. December of 2001 was only 11 and a half years ago.

OHHHHHHHHH - well then that is a lot better!!! tell me, at what point does the luster wear off of that tin crown??

The point is that there have been plenty of championship appearances as well in 2004, 2008, 2009 along with several other semi-final appearances.

Sooooo - all of your woulda, coulda, shoulda still ends up with as many NC's as MSU....

UM is the poster child for FCS championship contender

As the great Reese Bobby once said... "If you aint 1st your last"..... I relish all the griz on here living the glory days of more than a decade ago, but at the end of the day, UM shares the same NC wins as MSU however MSU has a better recent record on the field, off the field and in the classroom... in fact that should be a poster!!

In case you forget, it was only two seasons ago that we lost a close semi to SHSU

In fact I did forget because NOBODY REMEMBERS WHO WAS 4th!!!!

Finally, this year we are back!!

And predicted to finish 3rd.. another memorable year...

 

[reinell30]

Good post ABQ. However, 2010 season saw a very disappointed fan base and Griz team that did not make the playoffs for the 1st time in many years. The next season, 2011 was looked at much like this season is...high hopes and great expectations. The Griz started in Tennessee against an SEC opponent that was not rated very high for the 1st time in a long time. The Griz made some big mistakes and lost, a game that possibly could have been won. The Griz didn't hang there heads and the fans stood behind this team. They went all the way to the SF game and should have won that. Hind-sight is 20/20 though. I believe this years App State game is as big as the Tennessee game was as far as opponents are considered. I do not believe this team or this teams fans will give up no matter what the outcome. I believe this Griz team will make a run in the playoffs! I haven't reserved my Frisco Texas tickets yet, but it is tempting.
As for the Bobcats, I believe they too will make the playoffs, and this year DM won't have to do everything by himself, he will have a supporting cast and they should go farther.

 

[EverettGriz]

I really don't think many fans are going to give up on the Griz if they're 1-2 to start the season.


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[Pin2Win]

Good post ABQ. However, 2010 season saw a very disappointed fan base and Griz team that did not make the playoffs for the 1st time in many years. The next season, 2011 was looked at much like this season is...high hopes and great expectations. The Griz started in Tennessee against an SEC opponent that was not rated very high for the 1st time in a long time. The Griz made some big mistakes and lost, a game that possibly could have been won. The Griz didn't hang there heads and the fans stood behind this team. They went all the way to the SF game and should have won that. Hind-sight is 20/20 though. I believe this years App State game is as big as the Tennessee game was as far as opponents are considered. I do not believe this team or this teams fans will give up no matter what the outcome. I believe this Griz team will make a run in the playoffs! I haven't reserved my Frisco Texas tickets yet, but it is tempting.
As for the Bobcats, I believe they too will make the playoffs, and this year DM won't have to do everything by himself, he will have a supporting cast and they should go farther.

I believe the ASU game this year is WAY bigger than TN that year. Most people, although hoping for a Griz win that year, did not deep down believe the Griz would win and were not surprised with the result. FCS vs. SEC, no surprise. Now the more casual fans last remember ASU from the 2009 game and not last year on the road and will compare this game to 2009. If the Griz lose, the letdown will probably be much bigger than 2010 vs. TN. That game will set the tone for the year in WaGriz. Will it be a year to scream and yell for the Griz, or a year to show up and have extended pregame and halftime in the parking lot?

It will also be bigger in the long run due to the tone it will set with the poll voters for the year. Can't beat ASU, seed of doubt for most of the year in their minds. Tougher to climb the rankings. Beat ASU, then be ready for a quick ride into the top 10. That's the fun part about marquee games, they're memorable and impactful.