Position Comparisons

[NativeGriz]

[, until then you can take your flacid appendage in hand and go away quietly.

Big talk coming from an ardent supporter of a team whose problems began with not being able to actually control their "appendage".... Keeping your "appendage" to yourselves seems to be a problem as of late....

WTF are you talking about. Donaldson is the only issue and that is not fair to say the team has a problem.

 

[nzone]

I can live with coaching leaning to msu. Fact is both UM and Msu have new offensive coordinators so we can't even speculate here but ash has done a good job getting the kids to buy in and perform.

 

[WILD_CAT]

I can live with coaching leaning to msu. Fact is both UM and Msu have new offensive coordinators so we can't even speculate here but ash has done a good job getting the kids to buy in and perform.

That is a big question mark as well. Which team adjusts faster to the new offensive style etc. If JJ is playing QB and they are running more of a PRO Style offense I would load the line of scrimmage (just like Sam Houston does) and make JJ beat me with his arm (especially if there are elements/wind). He has nowhere near the arm strength of Mcghee. JJ gets you with his feet, load up and make him consistently beat you with his arm. It is going to be interesting to see the new offenses of both teams.

 

[Copper Griz]

[, until then you can take your flacid appendage in hand and go away quietly.

Big talk coming from an ardent supporter of a team whose problems began with not being able to actually control their "appendage".... Keeping your "appendage" to yourselves seems to be a problem as of late....

Sounds like you have appendage envy to me. Surgery can possibly help you.

 

[grizfan95]

I think you guys will have a seriously good D line. But for anyone discounting our starting 4 D linemen... You will be seriously disappointed. They are solid, and they'll prove it. Regarding coaching being a toss up, seriously?

Coaching is most certainly not a toss up, at this point. It's still safe to say that Mick was dealt a poor hand last year, so this year will be a much better gauge. This is how I see it:

QB: MSU, slightly. The only reason this is not a toss up is because JJ has missed a year and DM is very experienced.

RB: UM. Jordan Canada rushed for 622 on 118 attempts for a 5.0 avg. Kirk rushed for 867 on 171 carries for a 4.9 avg. These two cancel each other out. However, I believe Counts and Van are a much stronger duo than Johnson and Robinson, mostly due to the fact that Van will be the best RB in this discussion by year's end. Also, UM's O line is much better.

TE: Toss up. Neither team really has a proven player at this position.

OL: UM. MSU's biggest concern is their line and UM's line is their greatest strength.

Receivers: Toss up. Bleskin and Henderson are about equal at this point. The rest is a question for both teams.

DL: UM. With Holmes, Kidder, Bienemann, Wags, and Tonga plus Ginn, Crittenden and Rehm as supporters, the Griz are deep here. MSU has had trouble with the run and as was already stated, DT is a big question mark. Daly will be a beast once again though.

LB: UM. The heart of UM is in Tripp, Coyle and JP. Depth here is the scary part but with Na'a gone, it's really not close here.

S: MSU. Safety was UM's biggest concern last year and with Bethely's 3 INTs last year returning they have much better experience. I expect Hermanson to be a version closer to 2011, but I still don't have much faith in Bo.

Corners: Toss up. UM's corners were young last year and besides the cushion they gave receivers did well, especially with their tackling. I think they will make huge strides in 2013. Look for Goodwin to be receiving post season honors and Dennard and Harris to make some big plays. MSU lost their best CB in Jones as well but didn't have the shameful pass defense that UM had the year before.

ST: Toss up. UM has the better punter, MSU the better kicker.

COACHING: MSU. No real argument here.

 

[CatzWillRise]

Regarding coaching being a toss up, seriously?

:lol:

Laugh all you want. Big game Rob has not been overly impressive considering his playoff record. At this point in time I think the only team in the BSC that has any real credibility posting on egriz - would be the EWU Eagles. They have a NC banner and really - who gives a flying shizzle about winning the conference or tying for it. I may overshoot on expectations, but I expect the Griz to compete for the NC and anything else is sub par. We have had three coaches in five friggin years. The Cant's are damn lucky we keep shooting ourselves in the foot. If we get the train back on the tracks - it is over and your celebrations of mediocrity will cease. I tire of these infantile rants on egriz considering we are once again talking about the Cant's. Spout off in December or January If your team is in the NC hunt, until then you can take your flacid appendage in hand and go away quietly.

Your guys' feet must've looked like swiss cheese by the end of last year then, huh?

 

[GrizPony]

Meh, I'm game.

QB: MSU. Normal circumstances I'd say tie if not leaning towards UM, but McGhee is a 3 year starter, and JJ has had a lot to deal with, a season off, and a new coach and offense while he was gone.
RB: Toss up. UM may have more athletic talent, but Kirk is nothing but consistent, and Johnson should have more carries this year as well. That is a good 1-2 punch. UM has a better line to run behind as well...
OL: UM. MSU too inexperienced.
WR: Toss up. No real playmakers in either group just yet. Bleskin is not a game breaker, but gets open and catches everything. Henderson has a chance to be big for the Griz. Cats have some serious potential, but unproven as of yet. Ellis needs consistency.
TE: MSU. Salanoa is a stud and should be back to full strength this year after missing a lot of last year due to injuries. Good depth here as well.

DL: UM, because of DT. MSU is fine on the ends, but DT depth is concerning.
LB: UM now with Na'a out.
CB: MSU barely. I think this group will be one of the better all around groups we've had in awhile.
S: MSU. Bethley is a proven stud and I think Barnett has a chance to be special this year.

Curious what you think of Taylor Sheridan on the Cats line. Heard he is the strongest player on the team.

 

[Copper Griz]

Regarding coaching being a toss up, seriously?

:lol:

Laugh all you want. Big game Rob has not been overly impressive considering his playoff record. At this point in time I think the only team in the BSC that has any real credibility posting on egriz - would be the EWU Eagles. They have a NC banner and really - who gives a flying shizzle about winning the conference or tying for it. I may overshoot on expectations, but I expect the Griz to compete for the NC and anything else is sub par. We have had three coaches in five friggin years. The Cant's are damn lucky we keep shooting ourselves in the foot. If we get the train back on the tracks - it is over and your celebrations of mediocrity will cease. I tire of these infantile rants on egriz considering we are once again talking about the Cant's. Spout off in December or January If your team is in the NC hunt, until then you can take your flacid appendage in hand and go away quietly.

Your guys' feet must've looked like swiss cheese by the end of last year then, huh?

Like I said - we keep shooting ourselves in the foot. You obviously missed the point of my post. You are giving the Griz the greatest compliment of all. You keep posting incessantly on their teams/fans board. Leaves me wondering what is wrong with Bozo's teams board? Hmmm, they must not be very relevant? Once again I will give you a hint so read real slow this time (if you graduated from MSU you may have to have someone read this to you slowly and then interpret it for you) - win the NC and people pay attention. They may even visit your teams board and you won't have to troll all day long. Until then - you simply are mediocre and your posts appear to be "desperate for attention".

 

[ilovethecats]

Regarding coaching being a toss up, seriously?

:lol:

Laugh all you want. Big game Rob has not been overly impressive considering his playoff record. At this point in time I think the only team in the BSC that has any real credibility posting on egriz - would be the EWU Eagles. They have a NC banner and really - who gives a flying shizzle about winning the conference or tying for it. I may overshoot on expectations, but I expect the Griz to compete for the NC and anything else is sub par. We have had three coaches in five friggin years. The Cant's are damn lucky we keep shooting ourselves in the foot. If we get the train back on the tracks - it is over and your celebrations of mediocrity will cease. I tire of these infantile rants on egriz considering we are once again talking about the Cant's. Spout off in December or January If your team is in the NC hunt, until then you can take your flacid appendage in hand and go away quietly.

wow. that was a mouthful responding to one of these: :lol: .

i'm not big in the trash talk. if you honestly think Delaney and his staff have the edge on ash and his staff that is certainly your right. i'll politely disagree. :thumb:

 

[CatzWillRise]

All I hear about Sheridan is that he is a beast, but he hasn't proven it on the field yet. But he hasn't had a ton of playing time. He is up to 277 this year, so could be a breakout year for him.

While the DT spot is a concern for the Cats, it isn't bare. Ashworth has played well. Sheridan and Dees will be in the mix. Outside of those three is where it drops off. And none of those 3 are above 280. Then of course is yet another Bignell who should see some time as the 4th rotation in there.

Dallas Hayes comes in as a true freshman at 291 already, might have the best chance of any true freshman to play. Monte Folsom is back from his mission, and is apparently at 290. But hasn't played a college down yet, so most likely won't be a factor. And of course Connor Thomas is back after a year off, at 290. I expect one of these guys to be a contributor.

 

[CatzWillRise]

:lol:

Laugh all you want. Big game Rob has not been overly impressive considering his playoff record. At this point in time I think the only team in the BSC that has any real credibility posting on egriz - would be the EWU Eagles. They have a NC banner and really - who gives a flying shizzle about winning the conference or tying for it. I may overshoot on expectations, but I expect the Griz to compete for the NC and anything else is sub par. We have had three coaches in five friggin years. The Cant's are damn lucky we keep shooting ourselves in the foot. If we get the train back on the tracks - it is over and your celebrations of mediocrity will cease. I tire of these infantile rants on egriz considering we are once again talking about the Cant's. Spout off in December or January If your team is in the NC hunt, until then you can take your flacid appendage in hand and go away quietly.

Your guys' feet must've looked like swiss cheese by the end of last year then, huh?

Like I said - we keep shooting ourselves in the foot. You obviously missed the point of my post. You are giving the Griz the greatest compliment of all. You keep posting incessantly on their teams/fans board. Leaves me wondering what is wrong with Bozo's teams board? Hmmm, they must not be very relevant? Once again I will give you a hint so read real slow this time (if you graduated from MSU you may have to have someone read this to you slowly and then interpret it for you) - win the NC and people pay attention. They may even visit your teams board and you won't have to troll all day long. Until then - you simply are mediocre and your posts appear to be "desperate for attention".

If you consider me a troll, then my friend any non-Griz fan in the entire e-Griz storied history is a troll. You need to take a step back and realize not every opposing fan visiting your message board is here to slight the Griz.

Some people can't handle dissenting opinions - which is a bad way to be on a message board.

 

[Copper Griz]

Regarding coaching being a toss up, seriously?

:lol:

Laugh all you want. Big game Rob has not been overly impressive considering his playoff record. At this point in time I think the only team in the BSC that has any real credibility posting on egriz - would be the EWU Eagles. They have a NC banner and really - who gives a flying shizzle about winning the conference or tying for it. I may overshoot on expectations, but I expect the Griz to compete for the NC and anything else is sub par. We have had three coaches in five friggin years. The Cant's are damn lucky we keep shooting ourselves in the foot. If we get the train back on the tracks - it is over and your celebrations of mediocrity will cease. I tire of these infantile rants on egriz considering we are once again talking about the Cant's. Spout off in December or January If your team is in the NC hunt, until then you can take your flacid appendage in hand and go away quietly.

wow. that was a mouthful responding to one of these: :lol: .

i'm not big in the trash talk. if you honestly think Delaney and his staff have the edge on ash and his staff that is certainly your right. i'll politely disagree. :thumb:

Delaney has taken a pummeling on this board from many including myself at times. Honestly, take McGhee out of the equation and Ash may not even be at MSU still. Johnson could make Delaney and crew look like geniuses at the end of the season. One player at the FCS level makes that big of a difference.

 

[ilovethecats]

Delaney has taken a pummeling on this board from many including myself at times. Honestly, take McGhee out of the equation and Ash may not even be at MSU still. Johnson could make Delaney and crew look like geniuses at the end of the season. One player at the FCS level makes that big of a difference.

won't get a disagreement from me there. but we could do that with any and all positions. rb's are as good as their offensive lines. qb's look great when they have studs at wide receiver. receivers look great when they have all americans throwing them the ball. coaches look amazing when they have a great player or many great players. it's why great coaches with championships get fired after rough seasons. they didn't just forget how to coach. they are only as good as their teams.

but let's be realistic. a griz calling the coaching staffs a push is as laughable as me calling the offensive lines a push. it's not close. now, could things happen to change this? of course. it's july. we bring this up in December and there will likely be differences all over. but right now, this minute, when comparing the 2 coaching staffs and their body of work.....calling them equal is in fact laughable. I didn't mean to offend with one of these, :lol: but laughing is what I did when I read that post I quoted. :?

 

[Raider]

MSU’s defensive line is a little young and inexperienced, but they are going to be a handful at some point. Thomas, Hayes, Folsom and Sheridan are big and athletic. I would not be surprised if a couple of them make an impact this year.

 

[spokaneman]

(if you graduated from MSU you may have to have someone read this to you slowly and then interpret it for you) - win the NC and people pay attention. They may even visit your teams board and you won't have to troll all day long. Until then - you simply are mediocre and your posts appear to be "desperate for attention".

Oh Good Lord.... why don't YOU explain to me REAL SLOW the differential as to the number of NC's each program has... do it REAL SLOW now so we don't miss anything.....

 

[Grisly Fan]

I think (some/most) Griz fans are optimistic based largely upon JJ's return and that "glow" is transferring to the coaching staff. As much as anyone would like to think a good QB can overcome really bad coaching, I don't believe it. Offense is 1/3 of the game and the other 2/3 can dig a deep enough hole that it doesn't matter how quickly the QB bails, the ship will be sinking. Witness the SHSU playoff loss. The D dug such a big hole there wasn't enough time for the offense to recover. Now the question is whether the Griz coaching start is good or bad and with a new OC and DC it is waaaaay too early to even guess. An HC is by and large is a manager more than anything and it remains to be seen if he can put all the pieces he has together this year. It is beyond silly to choose or even equate MD to RA. Does that mean I would choose RA over MD? Not just yet. This season needs to play out first.

 

[Copper Griz]

(if you graduated from MSU you may have to have someone read this to you slowly and then interpret it for you) - win the NC and people pay attention. They may even visit your teams board and you won't have to troll all day long. Until then - you simply are mediocre and your posts appear to be "desperate for attention".

Oh Good Lord.... why don't YOU explain to me REAL SLOW the differential as to the number of NC's each program has... do it REAL SLOW now so we don't miss anything.....

Let me guess - next you will talk about how great the 80's were. Turn your Huey Lewis cassette tape off and step into reality. The Cants have not seen a semi final game since when? I suppose you will want to start talking about rodeo NC's next. I am not happy the Griz were unable to win the NC a few years back, but at least they were there. You are like an ugly broad that can't get invited to the dance, but yet you can't fans keep spouting off on this board. Weak.

 

[Copper Griz]

Delaney has taken a pummeling on this board from many including myself at times. Honestly, take McGhee out of the equation and Ash may not even be at MSU still. Johnson could make Delaney and crew look like geniuses at the end of the season. One player at the FCS level makes that big of a difference.

won't get a disagreement from me there. but we could do that with any and all positions. rb's are as good as their offensive lines. qb's look great when they have studs at wide receiver. receivers look great when they have all americans throwing them the ball. coaches look amazing when they have a great player or many great players. it's why great coaches with championships get fired after rough seasons. they didn't just forget how to coach. they are only as good as their teams.

but let's be realistic. a griz calling the coaching staffs a push is as laughable as me calling the offensive lines a push. it's not close. now, could things happen to change this? of course. it's july. we bring this up in December and there will likely be differences all over. but right now, this minute, when comparing the 2 coaching staffs and their body of work.....calling them equal is in fact laughable. I didn't mean to offend with one of these, :lol: but laughing is what I did when I read that post I quoted. :?

Well, now I will respectfully disagree with you. You are saying all of your coaches and staff are better? You just got your OC. How good is he? I think the Griz have several excellent coaches. MD compared to RA is one thing, but to compare all coaches is a whole different animal.

 

[EverettGriz]

(if you graduated from MSU you may have to have someone read this to you slowly and then interpret it for you) - win the NC and people pay attention. They may even visit your teams board and you won't have to troll all day long. Until then - you simply are mediocre and your posts appear to be "desperate for attention".

Oh Good Lord.... why don't YOU explain to me REAL SLOW the differential as to the number of NC's each program has... do it REAL SLOW now so we don't miss anything.....

Rehab over so soon?

 

[spokaneman]

(if you graduated from MSU you may have to have someone read this to you slowly and then interpret it for you) - win the NC and people pay attention. They may even visit your teams board and you won't have to troll all day long. Until then - you simply are mediocre and your posts appear to be "desperate for attention".

Oh Good Lord.... why don't YOU explain to me REAL SLOW the differential as to the number of NC's each program has... do it REAL SLOW now so we don't miss anything.....

Let me guess - next you will talk about how great the 80's were. Turn your Huey Lewis cassette tape off and step into reality. The Cants have not seen a semi final game since when? I suppose you will want to start talking about rodeo NC's next. I am not happy the Griz were unable to win the NC a few years back, but at least they were there. You are like an ugly broad that can't get invited to the dance, but yet you can't fans keep spouting off on this board. Weak.

Lol. 13 years ago dude. It has been 13 friggen years since um's last nc. Lol. Your hypocrisy slays me!!