Portland St. Game Thread

[Growler1]

Enjoy the win.. 1 moe and home floor!! Growler get some sleep and lose the attitude. :mrgreen: relax man. Relax

Attitude? Did someone piss in your Kool-Aid? I'm just telling it like it is. I have been following Grizzly BB for 40 years. I feel like I have the right to have an opinion. And, I believe it is correct.

 

[bigtyme]

One very telling stat that stands out to me...the defense earlier in the year was allowing only about 59 points a game against some pretty sharp shooting teams and now they are in the 70s....something has gone amiss on this team...over playing, too much or too little desire, over or under coaching? Who knows...but, a 20 win season is damn good in any league...fortunately, most of those came early...

Most of what came early? Wins? Actually, no, they had more out of conference losses than they do in league. They were 8 and 5 out of conference. Twelve and three in conference is dang good as there are four decent teams fighting it out. I would agree with the strength of the defense though.

 

[BelierPeaux]

I gotta tell ya, the Griz did not play with much heart tonight. They had a 10 point lead with less than two minutes left, and nearly lost. They can not make free throws, they are terrible against the full-court press. I am used to the disciplined Griz teams under Heathcote, Brandenburg, Morill, Montgomery, etc. This team is not even in the ballpark with those teams.

Tell it all you want. Can't make ft's? Ft's actually won this game for them. Qvale is the only one that was off, and he is usually pretty solid. How can you say they did not play with much heart? Were you there? Man, how about giving PSU a little bit of credit. I would say playing without heart they would have lost the game with a strong run from PSU. I don't mean to pick on you, but I hate that comment about no heart.

I think you are right on there. The Griz play with so much heart compared to a few years ago. They are a much more complete team. To win this one on the road after the Beach Slapping is big and will hopefully springboard them going into the conference tourney.

 

[Growler1]

I gotta tell ya, the Griz did not play with much heart tonight. They had a 10 point lead with less than two minutes left, and nearly lost. They can not make free throws, they are terrible against the full-court press. I am used to the disciplined Griz teams under Heathcote, Brandenburg, Morill, Montgomery, etc. This team is not even in the ballpark with those teams.

Tell it all you want. Can't make ft's? Ft's actually won this game for them. Qvale is the only one that was off, and he is usually pretty solid. How can you say they did not play with much heart? Were you there? Man, how about giving PSU a little bit of credit. I would say playing without heart they would have lost the game with a strong run from PSU. I don't mean to pick on you, but I hate that comment about no heart.

I think you are right on there. The Griz play with so much heart compared to a few years ago. They are a much more complete team. To win this one on the road after the Beach Slapping is big and will hopefully springboard them going into the conference tourney.

You don't lose a 10-point lead with two minutes to play. You just don't.

 

[Maynardsgametrail]

Enjoy the win.. 1 moe and home floor!! Growler get some sleep and lose the attitude. :mrgreen: relax man. Relax

Attitude? Did someone piss in your Kool-Aid? I'm just telling it like it is. I have been following Grizzly BB for 40 years. I feel like I have the right to have an opinion. And, I believe it is correct.

Growler, since you have been following for 40 years, how many times did Monty and Brandenburg get the griz to the NCAA tourney?

 

[griz8791]

I gotta tell ya, the Griz did not play with much heart tonight. They had a 10 point lead with less than two minutes left, and nearly lost. They can not make free throws, they are terrible against the full-court press. I am used to the disciplined Griz teams under Heathcote, Brandenburg, Morill, Montgomery, etc. This team is not even in the ballpark with those teams.

So you are saying that the griz have not had any diciplined teams since.....what the 90-91 season?

In addition, aside from the 1975 Heathcote led team, how many times did the Griz make the NCAA tourney with Monty,Brandenburg, and Morill???? I know S. Morill made it once. But since then, the Griz have made the NCAA tourney several times.

http://www.bigskyconf.com/sports/2008/6/5/PASTMBBCHAMP.aspx

There was a very long drought from 1974-75 to the back to back NCAA appearances in 1990-1991 1991-1992. The Montgomery-Krysko-McBride teams of the early 80s, who I thought should have been killing everyone, NEVER made it to the NCAAs. Then another NCAA appearance in 1996-1997 and then, suddenly, four NCAA appearances in the last ten years.

As far as I am concerned, nothing else counts but making the NCAAs.

 

[Nodakgriz]

They didn't lose the lead is the point! I understand your points but you don't see the upside in anything!

 

[Triwest]

One very telling stat that stands out to me...the defense earlier in the year was allowing only about 59 points a game against some pretty sharp shooting teams and now they are in the 70s....something has gone amiss on this team...over playing, too much or too little desire, over or under coaching? Who knows...but, a 20 win season is damn good in any league...fortunately, most of those came early...

Yes you are right that 20 wins is a good season in any league......that most of the wins came early does not hold though.....the Griz are 10-3 their last 13 games

 

[keena52]

One very telling stat that stands out to me...the defense earlier in the year was allowing only about 59 points a game against some pretty sharp shooting teams and now they are in the 70s....something has gone amiss on this team...over playing, too much or too little desire, over or under coaching? Who knows...but, a 20 win season is damn good in any league...fortunately, most of those came early...

Early on we had a killer zone that we are rarely using anymore. Our man D is not quick enough for most teams! On offense since Cherry has been hurt, we have done nothing but force the ball inside, because no one can drive, or shoot from outside! Cherry being hurt, has alot more to do with this teams struggles than there are stats for!

 

[Growler1]

Enjoy the win.. 1 moe and home floor!! Growler get some sleep and lose the attitude. :mrgreen: relax man. Relax

Attitude? Did someone piss in your Kool-Aid? I'm just telling it like it is. I have been following Grizzly BB for 40 years. I feel like I have the right to have an opinion. And, I believe it is correct.

Growler, since you have been following for 40 years, how many times did Monty and Brandenburg get the griz to the NCAA tourney?

You obviously have no clue about much tougher the Big Sky was in those days, with Boise, Idaho, and Gonzaga in the league at various times. Hell, in 1976, there were 6 Big Sky players who made NBA teams! Idaho State had three of them in their starting line-up! (Steve Hayes, Greg Cook, and another guy I forgot). How many NBA-caliber players are in the Sky this year??

 

[grizindabox]

One very telling stat that stands out to me...the defense earlier in the year was allowing only about 59 points a game against some pretty sharp shooting teams and now they are in the 70s....something has gone amiss on this team...over playing, too much or too little desire, over or under coaching? Who knows...but, a 20 win season is damn good in any league...fortunately, most of those came early...

Early on we had a killer zone that we are rarely using anymore. Our man D is not quick enough for most teams! On offense since Cherry has been hurt, we have done nothing but force the ball inside, because no one can drive, or shoot from outside! Cherry being hurt, has alot more to do with this teams struggles than there are stats for!

If you look, there is a pattern of holding the opponent to fewer points at home than on the road, which is where the Griz have given up a ton lately. Not very scientific, but it is not like a guy is on the grassy knoll.

 

[Growler1]

They didn't lose the lead is the point! I understand your points but you don't see the upside in anything!

I see the upside...they won! I also see reality. The game should not have been close. Break the press, box-out on the boards, and make your foul shots during crunch-time. And, they will have to play much better against EWU to win on Saturday. Realty-check!!!

 

[Maynardsgametrail]

I gotta tell ya, the Griz did not play with much heart tonight. They had a 10 point lead with less than two minutes left, and nearly lost. They can not make free throws, they are terrible against the full-court press. I am used to the disciplined Griz teams under Heathcote, Brandenburg, Morill, Montgomery, etc. This team is not even in the ballpark with those teams.

So you are saying that the griz have not had any diciplined teams since.....what the 90-91 season?

In addition, aside from the 1975 Heathcote led team, how many times did the Griz make the NCAA tourney with Monty,Brandenburg, and Morill???? I know S. Morill made it once. But since then, the Griz have made the NCAA tourney several times.

http://www.bigskyconf.com/sports/2008/6/5/PASTMBBCHAMP.aspx


There was a very long drought from 1974-75 to the back to back NCAA appearances in 1990-1991 1991-1992. The Montgomery-Krysko-McBride teams of the early 80s, who I thought should have been killing everyone, NEVER made it to the NCAAs. Then another NCAA appearance in 1996-1997 and then, suddenly, four NCAA appearances in the last ten years.

As far as I am concerned, nothing else counts but making the NCAAs.

Thanks for posting that.....I just wanted growler to answer that one. To say the griz team have not had any dicipline since Morrill's 90-91 season is just downright a lame "opinion".

 

[grizindabox]

Growler, it is apple an oranges when you compare current basketball, or even college basketball in general with basketball from the 70' and 80's. The game and the kids are completely different. It is a dumb arguement.

 

[WSUnPurple]

Enjoy the win.. 1 moe and home floor!! Growler get some sleep and lose the attitude. :mrgreen: relax man. Relax

Attitude? Did someone piss in your Kool-Aid? I'm just telling it like it is. I have been following Grizzly BB for 40 years. I feel like I have the right to have an opinion. And, I believe it is correct.

You are a blowhard.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Yes the GRIZ almost gave a win away. Credit Portland State for great execution and strategy to make it close. That close game was not due to lack of heart. This year's team plays with more heart and cohesiveness than any Tinkle coached team has. The GRIZ turned the ball over 2x's with PSU's press. The Griz broke the press a few times for lay ins, and/or fouls.

The GRIZ turned the ball over much more in half court offense. I have seen quite a few comebacks like PSU made tonight over my lifetime. Fact is the GRIZ still won. The GRIZ conference road wins right now are the reason why they are in the driver's seat to host. One more W on Saturday, they host. Not much more a fan can ask for.

Now go get it done GRIZ!!!!!!

 

[Maynardsgametrail]

Enjoy the win.. 1 moe and home floor!! Growler get some sleep and lose the attitude. :mrgreen: relax man. Relax

Attitude? Did someone piss in your Kool-Aid? I'm just telling it like it is. I have been following Grizzly BB for 40 years. I feel like I have the right to have an opinion. And, I believe it is correct.

Growler, since you have been following for 40 years, how many times did Monty and Brandenburg get the griz to the NCAA tourney?

You obviously have no clue about much tougher the Big Sky was in those days, with Boise, Idaho, and Gonzaga in the league at various times. Hell, in 1976, there were 6 Big Sky players who made NBA teams! Idaho State had three of them in their starting line-up! (Steve Hayes, Greg Cook, and another guy I forgot). How many NBA-caliber players are in the Sky this year??

Jesus, Uncle Rico, Is your time machine not taking you back to 82 anymore?? :roll:

My memory takes me back to the Tinkle days..... Thats far enough. The only thing I really missed out on was the 75 team and Krysko.

 

[Nodakgriz]

How many NBA ready players are there in college hoops right now? Don't just single out the big sky!! Only 2 big sky football players are at the combine right one but it doesn't diminish the caliber of play...

 

[bigtyme]

I gotta tell ya, the Griz did not play with much heart tonight. They had a 10 point lead with less than two minutes left, and nearly lost. They can not make free throws, they are terrible against the full-court press. I am used to the disciplined Griz teams under Heathcote, Brandenburg, Morill, Montgomery, etc. This team is not even in the ballpark with those teams.

Tell it all you want. Can't make ft's? Ft's actually won this game for them. Qvale is the only one that was off, and he is usually pretty solid. How can you say they did not play with much heart? Were you there? Man, how about giving PSU a little bit of credit. I would say playing without heart they would have lost the game with a strong run from PSU. I don't mean to pick on you, but I hate that comment about no heart.

I think you are right on there. The Griz play with so much heart compared to a few years ago. They are a much more complete team. To win this one on the road after the Beach Slapping is big and will hopefully springboard them going into the conference tourney.

You don't lose a 10-point lead with two minutes to play. You just don't.

No, I don't say that a team doesn't have heart because they lose a 10 point advantage. I have seen plenty of teams LOSE those games. So if anything, perhaps they have more heart than the average team to withstand the run. Three of those points should have been left off the board. So really, it is still a four point game. Moot point, I know, but I just don't see your argument, and like I said, I hate "no heart" comments. You are entitled to your opinion however, so have at er.

PSU also did a great job of fouling the right guy. Normally (last year mainly) it would have been Cherry to get fouled. Qvale is normally clutch, but missed four tonight. PSU is a very talented team that has struggled this year. Perhaps it is an APR thing and feeling the affects of not being able to play in the tourney, but they are decent. We are dang lucky to win the first game on the last road stop. One more Griz, go get em!

 

[griz8791]

. . . Look at the home records this year for Big Sky teams. It's not easy to win on the road.. The Griz are the only Big Sky team with a .500 record on the road this year. Everyone else is well below that. This is a very big win for the Griz, and should give them more confidence that they can score on the road going into the EWU game . . .

That statistic is interesting in light of a thread on the Weber board this week about whether we can get both road wins and host. Several guys in that thread predicted we would lose at least one of this week's road games because the Griz are "not a good road team." But apparently no one in this conference is very good on the road.