Poole

[reinell30]

I am sure there are rules within the University or NCAA or team or somewhere that state what happens to a person after they commit a felony...aquitted or not.

If he pays the price and does all the right things, there is no reason to not allow him back in my opinion, but I do not know the rules.

 

[GrizPony]

Well that's too bad. He should not be allowed back. If he's stupid enough to do something like this with the intense scrutiny this team and university are already under then he should not suit up for the Griz again.

No denying it was stupid, but it sounds like you might be the only person I have met who has conducted their life perfectly. Congrats!

Oh give me a f*cking break. Nice try though.

Why would I give you a f*cking break when you aren't willing to give one to anyone else? Also, enlighten me as to what I tried and failed at "though". :thumb:

 

[84GRIZ]

No way..Schmaing played just fine. Caleb would have given Poole fits too. He is playing as well as any defensive end in the FCS right now. Schmaing did a great job IMO.

I think about 1/2 of Caleb Shrebreis's 16 tackles were from chasing down the running back from the back side because Smithwick-Hann was just handing the ball off on the read option, no read as to what the d-end, who is generally unblocked on the play, was doing. Fing drove me crazy

 

[Griz2k]

Well that's too bad. He should not be allowed back. If he's stupid enough to do something like this with the intense scrutiny this team and university are already under then he should not suit up for the Griz again.

No denying it was stupid, but it sounds like you might be the only person I have met who has conducted their life perfectly. Congrats!

Oh give me a f*cking break. Nice try though.

Why would I give you a f*cking break when you aren't willing to give one to anyone else? Also, enlighten me as to what I tried and failed at "though". :thumb:

I knew I'd get the "you must be perfect" argument. Sad to see someone bite so quickly. I know one thing though, I am not a Griz football player that bought drugs at a rave after a game. To me, Griz football is like the 100 meter dash..... first false start is charged to the entire field. Next false start by anyone and that person is dq'd. The Griz have had plenty of "false starts" and frankly I'm tired of seeing our players in the news for run in's with the law. He should be given a second chance...just not for the Griz.

 

[GrizPony]

I am tired of it too. I think you should save your ire for someone on the team who really deserves it and Poole is NOT that guy in my opinion.

 

[PlayerRep]

No denying it was stupid, but it sounds like you might be the only person I have met who has conducted their life perfectly. Congrats!

Oh give me a f*cking break. Nice try though.

Why would I give you a f*cking break when you aren't willing to give one to anyone else? Also, enlighten me as to what I tried and failed at "though". :thumb:

I knew I'd get the "you must be perfect" argument. Sad to see someone bite so quickly. I know one thing though, I am not a Griz football player that bought drugs at a rave after a game. To me, Griz football is like the 100 meter dash..... first false start is charged to the entire field. Next false start by anyone and that person is dq'd. The Griz have had plenty of "false starts" and frankly I'm tired of seeing our players in the news for run in's with the law. He should be given a second chance...just not for the Griz.

And some of us are tired of "fans" like you being so holier than thou, unrealistic and unforgiving. If, after an accused has done what he's supposed to do under the agreement reached with the prosecution, the charges completely go away and essentially deemed never to have occurred, why wouldn't he be given another chance. Even the new tougher athletic code doesn't provide for permanent dismissal in a situation like this.

Stupid, yes. Unfortunate, yes. But possession of 2 pills is really not the crime of the century. No other person was harmed in the incident. How about the Cat bouncer who punched a patron, and must have hurt him enough to be charged with felony assault? Do you think possessing 2 pills is so much worse than doing whatever it takes to get charged with felony assault, that the kid should never be allowed to play again at his original school? By the way, I have no problem with the Cat player getting out of his charges and being allowed to play. You probably think that a person acquitted of his charge, like Wilson, should never be given a second chance either.

 

[Griz2k]

I am tired of it too. I think you should save your ire for someone on the team who really deserves it and Poole is NOT that guy in my opinion.

Who is the guy then Pony? Everything I've read on here is that Poole is a good guy and comes from a great family. I have no reason to believe otherwise, but where do we draw the line? Probably 95%+ of the rest of the players stay out of trouble. I just don't think it's fair to them to be continually drug through the mud because of poor decisions made by a very select few. I respect other's differing opinions, I just see it differently than most I guess.

 

[grizchamp]

No denying it was stupid, but it sounds like you might be the only person I have met who has conducted their life perfectly. Congrats!

Oh give me a f*cking break. Nice try though.

Why would I give you a f*cking break when you aren't willing to give one to anyone else? Also, enlighten me as to what I tried and failed at "though". :thumb:

I knew I'd get the "you must be perfect" argument. Sad to see someone bite so quickly. I know one thing though, I am not a Griz football player that bought drugs at a rave after a game. To me, Griz football is like the 100 meter dash..... first false start is charged to the entire field. Next false start by anyone and that person is dq'd. The Griz have had plenty of "false starts" and frankly I'm tired of seeing our players in the news for run in's with the law. He should be given a second chance...just not for the Griz.

I'm sure I will get flamed along with you, but oh well. I agree with you. I don't think he should be back playing for UM. No I'm not perfect and I don't expect someone else to be either, but this is bigger than just a person making a simple stupid decision. Its the context of everything else going on around the program that makes it that much worse. Given what is going on an individual should know that they need to be on the up and up. Can you make the argument that my thought punishes him for others behavior? Sure you can, but I think the program is bigger than any one person and if someone is guilty of exercising incredibly poor judgement given the current state of affairs then they don't deserve a second chance with the program. I feel for the kid because we all make stupid decision at some point in our lives but there are, or at least should be, significant consequences for those decisions. I suppose significant is open to the whims of opinion though. If he wants to continue to play football I wish him the best and hope he finds a home. That being said if he does remain on the team it's not like I will hold some grudge and think him a terrible person, just a stupid one.

 

[grizchamp]

Oh give me a f*cking break. Nice try though.

Why would I give you a f*cking break when you aren't willing to give one to anyone else? Also, enlighten me as to what I tried and failed at "though". :thumb:

I knew I'd get the "you must be perfect" argument. Sad to see someone bite so quickly. I know one thing though, I am not a Griz football player that bought drugs at a rave after a game. To me, Griz football is like the 100 meter dash..... first false start is charged to the entire field. Next false start by anyone and that person is dq'd. The Griz have had plenty of "false starts" and frankly I'm tired of seeing our players in the news for run in's with the law. He should be given a second chance...just not for the Griz.

And some of us are tired of "fans" like you being so holier than thou, unrealistic and unforgiving. If, after an accused has done what he's supposed to do under the agreement reached with the prosecution, the charges completely go away and essentially deemed never to have occurred, why wouldn't he be given another chance. Even the new tougher athletic code doesn't provide for permanent dismissal in a situation like this.

Stupid, yes. Unfortunate, yes. But possession of 2 pills is really not the crime of the century. No other person was harmed in the incident. How about the Cat bouncer who punched a patron, and must have hurt him enough to be charged with felony assault? Do you think possessing 2 pills is so much worse than doing whatever it takes to get charged with felony assault, that the kid should never be allowed to play again at his original school? By the way, I have no problem with the Cat player getting out of his charges and being allowed to play. You probably think that a person acquitted of his charge, like Wilson, should never be given a second chance either.

Comparing this situation to a situation like Wilson (or even JJ for that matter) is a bit much. If Poole were fighting the charges and was found not guilty than by all means come back. He isn't though. He is openly admitting to breaking the law. I agree that the crime is no the crime of the century, but again, I think it is about the context of everything else going on.

 

[Griz2k]

So what you're saying PR, is that I'm not a true "fan" for wanting Griz players to stay out of trouble? Interesting.

 

[GrizPony]

I am tired of it too. I think you should save your ire for someone on the team who really deserves it and Poole is NOT that guy in my opinion.

Who is the guy then Pony? Everything I've read on here is that Poole is a good guy and comes from a great family. I have no reason to believe otherwise, but where do we draw the line? Probably 95%+ of the rest of the players stay out of trouble. I just don't think it's fair to them to be continually drug through the mud because of poor decisions made by a very select few. I respect other's differing opinions, I just see it differently than most I guess.

I guess I don't have a bright line to draw. I'm tired of the players being in the news incessantly too. However, I was student complaint officer for UM for two years, a long time ago, and I don't see the players doing any more crap than the general student population. Many students, with full ride academic scholarships, got caught using drugs and doing underage drinking. They never lost their scholarships, they weren't expelled or even suspended. I believe more in fairness based upon individualized justice. So I don't think a knee jerk reaction, one way or the other, is ever justified. That probably makes the "rules" more fluid but I think that those type of rules lead to fairness better than draconian measures.

 

[Griz2k]

You're obviously not a real fan either grizchamp. Sorry to have to break the news to you. :thumb:

 

[PlayerRep]

So what you're saying PR, is that I'm not a true "fan" for wanting Griz players to stay out of trouble? Interesting.

No, everyone wants UM players to stay out of trouble. However, when the trouble is either not major or resolved in a favorable way (like charges are dropped, reduced, or resolved with a deferred prosecution (which means they completely go away), then the university should look at its athletic code for guidance and consider what should be doing going forward. If the charges have gone away, which these will if the kid abides by his agreement, then it appears to me that the athletic code does not provide for continuing dismissal. "Fans" who are unreasonable, like yourself in my view, should be ignored. From what I've heard, the kid is a good kid. He has never been in legal trouble. His dad and uncle played at UM. This seems like a perfect situation to treat the kid well--assuming he abides by his agreement and the charges disappear.

 

[PlayerRep]

Why would I give you a f*cking break when you aren't willing to give one to anyone else? Also, enlighten me as to what I tried and failed at "though". :thumb:

I knew I'd get the "you must be perfect" argument. Sad to see someone bite so quickly. I know one thing though, I am not a Griz football player that bought drugs at a rave after a game. To me, Griz football is like the 100 meter dash..... first false start is charged to the entire field. Next false start by anyone and that person is dq'd. The Griz have had plenty of "false starts" and frankly I'm tired of seeing our players in the news for run in's with the law. He should be given a second chance...just not for the Griz.

And some of us are tired of "fans" like you being so holier than thou, unrealistic and unforgiving. If, after an accused has done what he's supposed to do under the agreement reached with the prosecution, the charges completely go away and essentially deemed never to have occurred, why wouldn't he be given another chance. Even the new tougher athletic code doesn't provide for permanent dismissal in a situation like this.

Stupid, yes. Unfortunate, yes. But possession of 2 pills is really not the crime of the century. No other person was harmed in the incident. How about the Cat bouncer who punched a patron, and must have hurt him enough to be charged with felony assault? Do you think possessing 2 pills is so much worse than doing whatever it takes to get charged with felony assault, that the kid should never be allowed to play again at his original school? By the way, I have no problem with the Cat player getting out of his charges and being allowed to play. You probably think that a person acquitted of his charge, like Wilson, should never be given a second chance either.

Comparing this situation to a situation like Wilson (or even JJ for that matter) is a bit much. If Poole were fighting the charges and was found not guilty than by all means come back. He isn't though. He is openly admitting to breaking the law. I agree that the crime is no the crime of the century, but again, I think it is about the context of everything else going on.

I assume he admitted to possessing 2 pills. If he abides by the agreement, the charges will disappear. He won't have anything on his record, is my understanding. Clean. Not even an acquittal.

 

[84GRIZ]

Okay so the first thing in Missoulian article online states is the Poole pled guilty to the felony charge of possession. That does not sound like the charges were dropped. Who is right?

http://missoulian.com/news/local/suspended-griz-player-pleads-guilty-to-felony-drug-charge/article_fad72aec-397b-11e2-bfe7-001a4bcf887a.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[Griz2k]

So what you're saying PR, is that I'm not a true "fan" for wanting Griz players to stay out of trouble? Interesting.

No, everyone wants UM players to stay out of trouble. However, when the trouble is either not major or resolved in a favorable way (like charges are dropped, reduced, or resolved with a deferred prosecution (which means they completely go away), then the university should look at its athletic code for guidance and consider what should be doing going forward. If the charges have gone away, which these will if the kid abides by his agreement, then it appears to me that the athletic code does not provide for continuing dismissal. "Fans" who are unreasonable, like yourself in my view, should be ignored. From what I've heard, the kid is a good kid. He has never been in legal trouble. His dad and uncle played at UM. This seems like a perfect situation to treat the kid well--assuming he abides by his agreement and the charges disappear.

Why is it that you continue to put the word fan in quotations? Am I not a fan because I have a differing opinion from you? Am I not a fan because I believe there should be harsher penalties for players that commit felonies, even if it is their first offense? Seems to me that any "man" would respect another person's opinion, even if they whole heartedly disagree with it, but to show you that I am indeed a reasonable person, if Poole stays out of trouble and this charge does indeed go away, then I would agree that he should be given a second chance and I will fully support his returning to the Griz football team at that time. Fair enough?

 

[Griz2k]

I am tired of it too. I think you should save your ire for someone on the team who really deserves it and Poole is NOT that guy in my opinion.

Who is the guy then Pony? Everything I've read on here is that Poole is a good guy and comes from a great family. I have no reason to believe otherwise, but where do we draw the line? Probably 95%+ of the rest of the players stay out of trouble. I just don't think it's fair to them to be continually drug through the mud because of poor decisions made by a very select few. I respect other's differing opinions, I just see it differently than most I guess.

I guess I don't have a bright line to draw. I'm tired of the players being in the news incessantly too. However, I was student complaint officer for UM for two years, a long time ago, and I don't see the players doing any more crap than the general student population. Many students, with full ride academic scholarships, got caught using drugs and doing underage drinking. They never lost their scholarships, they weren't expelled or even suspended. I believe more in fairness based upon individualized justice. So I don't think a knee jerk reaction, one way or the other, is ever justified. That probably makes the "rules" more fluid but I think that those type of rules lead to fairness better than draconian measures.

Ya, I understand what you're saying. I believe each situation should be looked at individually. Maybe there shouldn't be different rules for different people, but that's not life I guess. This situation in particular was just way more cut and dry than some of the others. Is my opinion knee jerk? Maybe. Too harsh? Possibly. But in the end it's just my opinion and nothing I say really matters in the grand scheme of things anyway. I'll still cheer the Griz and loathe the cats until the bitter end, regardless of the situation.

 

[BDizzle]

If he follows the rules given to him on his deferred sentence the charges will still be on his criminal record for life. He actually may be able to get off his deferred sentence in 9 months (called half-time). If he gets arrested again 20 years down the road it will say he was arrested in 2012 and pled guilty to felony drug charges. But if a regular person does a regular background check on Mr. Poole nothing will come up. So when he applys for a job/housing/financial aid he won't have to list that he is a convicted felon. I'm guessing he won't be allowed in bars, be able to drink/do drugs, or possess a firearm while he is on probation. Other than that he can do most anything.

 

[PlayerRep]

So what you're saying PR, is that I'm not a true "fan" for wanting Griz players to stay out of trouble? Interesting.

No, everyone wants UM players to stay out of trouble. However, when the trouble is either not major or resolved in a favorable way (like charges are dropped, reduced, or resolved with a deferred prosecution (which means they completely go away), then the university should look at its athletic code for guidance and consider what should be doing going forward. If the charges have gone away, which these will if the kid abides by his agreement, then it appears to me that the athletic code does not provide for continuing dismissal. "Fans" who are unreasonable, like yourself in my view, should be ignored. From what I've heard, the kid is a good kid. He has never been in legal trouble. His dad and uncle played at UM. This seems like a perfect situation to treat the kid well--assuming he abides by his agreement and the charges disappear.

Why is it that you continue to put the word fan in quotations? Am I not a fan because I have a differing opinion from you? Am I not a fan because I believe there should be harsher penalties for players that commit felonies, even if it is their first offense? Seems to me that any "man" would respect another person's opinion, even if they whole heartedly disagree with it, but to show you that I am indeed a reasonable person, if Poole stays out of trouble and this charge does indeed go away, then I would agree that he should be given a second chance and I will fully support his returning to the Griz football team at that time. Fair enough?

I don't know you, so I don't know if you are a fan or not. If you feel better, whenever I say "fan", feel free to read it as "bad" fan. Ha-ha. I don't respect everyone's opinion, but because opinions are totally wrong or idiotic. On this subject, I thought your initial opinion was wrong. And like you have to right to express your opinions, whether right or wrong, others have the right to challenge or disagree with your opinions. However, your last sentence of the above post is exactly what I was suggesting. So, we're in agreement, and we didn't call each other names.

 

[PlayerRep]

If he follows the rules given to him on his deferred sentence the charges will still be on his criminal record for life. He actually may be able to get off his deferred sentence in 9 months (called half-time). If he gets arrested again 20 years down the road it will say he was arrested in 2012 and pled guilty to felony drug charges. But if a regular person does a regular background check on Mr. Poole nothing will come up. So when he applys for a job/housing/financial aid he won't have to list that he is a convicted felon. I'm guessing he won't be allowed in bars, be able to drink/do drugs, or possess a firearm while he is on probation. Other than that he can do most anything.

I admit that I don't know this area of the law, but what you just posted looks wrong to me. Do you know what you're talking about?