poole update

[GrizMusician]

I think that one was BYU

I think you're right... & talk about being cock blocked. :shock::lol:

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[mtgrizrule]

Definately not TCU. Their QB got arrested for a DWI for being under the influence of marijuana, TCU's coach, Gary Patterson has already said that he can come back to the team this spring after he completes his rehab program

I though he was done for good??? He's a damn good QB.

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"Hopefully, what our plan is that he (Pachall) gets himself right and keeps the door open for us as far as an opportunity for him to be able to come back here and enroll in the spring," Patterson said. "He would be able to graduate in two semesters, which is the ultimate goal for us. Also, we'd get a great kid and also a good quarterback back."

http://espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/story/_/id/8482903/tcu-horned-frogs-quarterback-casey-pachall-leave-school" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Clearly Gary Patterson doesn't get it and has no control over his team and doesn't have any standards for his team representing TCU :roll:

Well I'll be damned... :lol:

What school was it that the player got kicked off the than for sleeping with his girlfriend? I don't remember if it was football or basketball, but it was within the last three years or so.

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BYU Basketball, and the guy returned the next season.

 

[WaGriz4life]

I think that one was BYU

Another great example for the University of Montana to model itself after. So basically we need to adopt the policies of the United States Military Acadamies and the school with the most extreme religious beliefs in the country. That sounds reasonable :?

 

[goarmy]

Nah, I didn't say that. I just said that it IS possible to run a tight ship. If you want to.

 

[reinell30]

I think that one was BYU

Another great example for the University of Montana to model itself after. So basically we need to adopt the policies of the United States Military Acadamies and the school with the most extreme religious beliefs in the country. That sounds reasonable :?

If the U of M football team implemented 1/3 of the rules we have to follow in the military when it come to deployment to places like the middle east, there wouldn't be any one to play the game. Don't talk about extreme, just plain old fashion discipline!

 

[tnt]

The code I quoted was WSU and was based on the post season NCAA rules. Thrre are others.

 

[Jerry Punch]

Look at the statute, PlayerRep. It is very clear.

http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/mca/45/9/45-9-102.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Possession of one pill is enough to get put in the hooscow. If you don't like the law, you should petition the legislature to change it. Do you not believe in the laws of the state of Montana?

Checkmate PR

I know what the statute says. Like you said, possession is enough to get one charged. He was so charged. However, that is not how virtually all of these cases are resolved. Without aggravating circumstances and with a previous clean record, the state doesn't proceed so that the person ends up with a felony. Feel free to point out one example of any person in Poole's situation, who ended up with a felony for possessing two pills.

Notice that isn't what I said. When you write things like "like you said, possession is enough to get one charged," you would want to be sure that's what I actually said. I didn't say that.

I said possession alone is enough to get you put in the hooscow. That's another word for prison. Of course it is enough to get you charged, but it is also enough to get you put in prison. That's what I said. I am not surprised you warped me words to your benefit and mislead the entire board.

Again, the legislature meets in 2013. Perhaps you can petition some legislator in your area to changes the laws of the state of Montana. You probably won't be successful.

 

[grizcountry420]

I think that one was BYU

Another great example for the University of Montana to model itself after. So basically we need to adopt the policies of the United States Military Acadamies and the school with the most extreme religious beliefs in the country. That sounds reasonable :?

If the U of M football team implemented 1/3 of the rules we have to follow in the military when it come to deployment to places like the middle east, there wouldn't be any one to play the game. Don't talk about extreme, just plain old fashion discipline!

Right... lol

 

[RobGriz]

I think that one was BYU

Another great example for the University of Montana to model itself after. So basically we need to adopt the policies of the United States Military Acadamies and the school with the most extreme religious beliefs in the country. That sounds reasonable :?

If the U of M football team implemented 1/3 of the rules we have to follow in the military when it come to deployment to places like the middle east, there wouldn't be any one to play the game. Don't talk about extreme, just plain old fashion discipline!

Yeah, my favorite was the E-9 standing just inside the door of the chowhall checking to make sure no one was wearing white socks

 

[PlayerRep]

Look at the statute, PlayerRep. It is very clear.

http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/mca/45/9/45-9-102.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Possession of one pill is enough to get put in the hooscow. If you don't like the law, you should petition the legislature to change it. Do you not believe in the laws of the state of Montana?

Checkmate PR

I know what the statute says. Like you said, possession is enough to get one charged. He was so charged. However, that is not how virtually all of these cases are resolved. Without aggravating circumstances and with a previous clean record, the state doesn't proceed so that the person ends up with a felony. Feel free to point out one example of any person in Poole's situation, who ended up with a felony for possessing two pills.

Notice that isn't what I said. When you write things like "like you said, possession is enough to get one charged," you would want to be sure that's what I actually said. I didn't say that.

I said possession alone is enough to get you put in the hooscow. That's another word for prison. Of course it is enough to get you charged, but it is also enough to get you put in prison. That's what I said. I am not surprised you warped me words to your benefit and mislead the entire board.

Again, the legislature meets in 2013. Perhaps you can petition some legislator in your area to changes the laws of the state of Montana. You probably won't be successful.

The important point is that, nationwide, the possession of two pills, for people who have not had prior legal issues and where there are no other bad facts, rarely ends up in prison/jail and rarely ends up with a felony on the record. Yes, of course, there may be a few exceptions to the contrary. Saying that a person charged with a felony can get put in jail, is a meaningless statement. Of course, people charged with a felony or serious misdemeanor can be put in jail. The real question, though, is whether and how often they are put in jail.

Can you man up and admit what I said in my first sentence of this post is correct?

 

[grizindabox]

I could say the sun is out and PR would present the counter arguments in a post as to "maybe it is cloudy".

 

[tnt]

I could say the sun is out and PR would present the counter arguments in a post as to "maybe it is cloudy".

In this case its because, PR is scrambling for an explanation to make this less than what it is, given Poole has admitted he had the pills. Obviously PR is frustrated that everybody doesn't understand its a not a big deal because, PR says it isn't. And while he is correct that many times these are handled as a deferred imposition, he fails to understand that requires a guilty plea to a felony. Yeah the charges go away, but even the slightest screwup (having a beer with buddies) make them stick for ever. No one has suggested the Poole go to prison, thats not how drug charges are handled (usually) but he could EASILY end up in a lock down rehab program if the dealer says oh yeah I've sold him before....

Our drug task force is VERY aggresive and shows no mercy and the results are obvious. There are few cities the size of Missoula ANYWHERE that has less gang presence. That simply is because both users AND sellers are nailed HARD. Doesn't mean dumbasses don't get a chance.

 

[PlayerRep]

I could say the sun is out and PR would present the counter arguments in a post as to "maybe it is cloudy".

In this case its because, PR is scrambling for an explanation to make this less than what it is, given Poole has admitted he had the pills. Obviously PR is frustrated that everybody doesn't understand its a not a big deal because, PR says it isn't. And while he is correct that many times these are handled as a deferred imposition, he fails to understand that requires a guilty plea to a felony. Yeah the charges go away, but even the slightest screwup (having a beer with buddies) make them stick for ever. No one has suggested the Poole go to prison, thats not how drug charges are handled (usually) but he could EASILY end up in a lock down rehab program if the dealer says oh yeah I've sold him before....

Our drug task force is VERY aggresive and shows no mercy and the results are obvious. There are few cities the size of Missoula ANYWHERE that has less gang presence. That simply is because both users AND sellers are nailed HARD. Doesn't mean dumbasses don't get a chance.

Actually,TNT has just admitted what I have been saying all along. Poole is like to end up with a lessor charge in a plea bargain (assuming there is a lesser charge in this situation), or, as TNT just said: "And while he is correct that many times these are handled as a deferred imposition, he fails to understand that requires a guilty plea to a felony. Yeah the charges go away,"

Note the "charges go away". There is only one charge. Under TNT's scenario, at some point, the university would have to consider what to do after the "charge has gone away".

Good kid (apparently), no prior criminal issues (according to the prosecutor), cooperative with legal authorities (according to the prosecutor), goes through some drug school stuff or whatever, and, if he doesn't violate the agreement (which I doubt he would), he ends up with the clean slate in terms of the legal record. Some of you may think that being caught with 2 illegal pills in a situation like this is some major crime, but many people don't. So far, there's not even any indication that he used the X. Just possession of 2 illegal pills.

 

[GrizLA]

I think that one was BYU

Another great example for the University of Montana to model itself after. So basically we need to adopt the policies of the United States Military Acadamies and the school with the most extreme religious beliefs in the country. That sounds reasonable :?

I seem to remember massive cheating in our "service" academies....Churning out yes men is hardly the goal of a good university. Sorry. A couple of guys act on impulse and suddenly the entire program should be looked at?

 

[GrizLA]

Checkmate PR

I know what the statute says. Like you said, possession is enough to get one charged. He was so charged. However, that is not how virtually all of these cases are resolved. Without aggravating circumstances and with a previous clean record, the state doesn't proceed so that the person ends up with a felony. Feel free to point out one example of any person in Poole's situation, who ended up with a felony for possessing two pills.

Notice that isn't what I said. When you write things like "like you said, possession is enough to get one charged," you would want to be sure that's what I actually said. I didn't say that.

I said possession alone is enough to get you put in the hooscow. That's another word for prison. Of course it is enough to get you charged, but it is also enough to get you put in prison. That's what I said. I am not surprised you warped me words to your benefit and mislead the entire board.

Again, the legislature meets in 2013. Perhaps you can petition some legislator in your area to changes the laws of the state of Montana. You probably won't be successful.

The important point is that, nationwide, the possession of two pills, for people who have not had prior legal issues and where there are no other bad facts, rarely ends up in prison/jail and rarely ends up with a felony on the record. Yes, of course, there may be a few exceptions to the contrary. Saying that a person charged with a felony can get put in jail, is a meaningless statement. Of course, people charged with a felony or serious misdemeanor can be put in jail. The real question, though, is whether and how often they are put in jail.

Can you man up and admit what I said in my first sentence of this post is correct?

more often than not, it depends upon your race and economic status...

 

[grizindabox]

PR, I think from public perception, it does not really matter if it is a felony or misdemeanor. It all boils down to a 20 year old with the intention of buying illegal drugs and admitting as much to police at a time when the University and Griz football are under the microscope. I highly doubt you see Trevor back in a Griz uniform no matter how this works out. I also believe that any indiscretion to the law by a member of the football team will be treated swiftly and harshly under the current circumstances. In other words, you are defending a position that currently doesn't matter or is trivial to what is going on within the University, athletic department, and football program and the direction it will take to change the culture and perception, their image to the public.

 

[PlayerRep]

PR, I think from public perception, it does not really matter if it is a felony or misdemeanor. It all boils down to a 20 year old with the intention of buying illegal drugs and admitting as much to police at a time when the University and Griz football are under the microscope. I highly doubt you see Trevor back in a Griz uniform no matter how this works out. I also believe that any indiscretion to the law by a member of the football team will be treated swiftly and harshly under the current circumstances. In other words, you are defending a position that currently doesn't matter or is trivial to what is going on within the University, athletic department, and football program and the direction it will take to change the culture and perception, their image to the public.

I'm not talking public perception. I'd talking the law and the "contract" of the UM student-athlete code. I'll leave public perception to you experts. Personally, I think public perception on most things is wrong, and many of the public are idiots on things they know little or nothing about.

Why do you keep saying I'm defending him? I'm just point out the law and contract. Looking only at the code, I don't see a basis for dismissing him permanently. There may be other bases. The coach can always do what he wants to do, within some level of reason.

The public perception wasn't good when UM allowed Wilson to return to school and football. However, I applauded decision, which was courageous, and it worked out well. Sometimes people, and I'm one of then, need to stand up for what is right, and not be wimps or take the issue way out or bow to "public perception".

 

[poorgriz]

PR, I think from public perception, it does not really matter if it is a felony or misdemeanor. It all boils down to a 20 year old with the intention of buying illegal drugs and admitting as much to police at a time when the University and Griz football are under the microscope. I highly doubt you see Trevor back in a Griz uniform no matter how this works out. I also believe that any indiscretion to the law by a member of the football team will be treated swiftly and harshly under the current circumstances. In other words, you are defending a position that currently doesn't matter or is trivial to what is going on within the University, athletic department, and football program and the direction it will take to change the culture and perception, their image to the public.

I'm not talking public perception. I'd talking the law and the "contract" of the UM student-athlete code. I'll leave public perception to you experts. Personally, I think public perception on most things is wrong, and many of the public are idiots on things they know little or nothing about.

Why do you keep saying I'm defending him? I'm just point out the law and contract. Looking only at the code, I don't see a basis for dismissing him permanently. There may be other bases. The coach can always do what he wants to do, within some level of reason.

The public perception wasn't good when UM allowed Wilson to return to school and football. However, I applauded decision, which was courageous, and it worked out well. Sometimes people, and I'm one of then, need to stand up for what is right, and not be wimps or take the issue way out or bow to "public perception".

Wow. Are you seriously that delusional? Exactly how did that work out well for the grizzly football image... because he was a good enough football player to make it to the NFL?

http://www.kbzk.com/news/jimmy-wilson-already-in-trouble-with-griz/

 

[poorgriz]

And please spare the "It takes people like me to stand up for what's right" act... it's people like you that defended OJ Simpson and allowed him to walk free after brutally murdering two people, and everyone knows that's what happened.

 

[GrizLA]

And please spare the "It takes people like me to stand up for what's right" act... it's people like you that defended OJ Simpson and allowed him to walk free after brutally murdering two people, and everyone knows that's what happened.

Everyone is entitled to the best legal representation they can afford. You hate the Constitution? Innocent people have been murdered by the state. Get a clue...the supposition of innocent until proven guilty is the bedrock of our nation. So many people, especially in the Red states, seem to over look that.