poole update

[Cats2506]

TNT,

Please provide a source to this alleged NCAA policy. I find it difficult to believe. PR is wrong virtually 100% of the time but he at least has the decency to ask an associate to search Wiki for him.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

This is the best post in the thread

 

[PlayerRep]

If this is dropped to a misdemeanor there is a good chance Poole will be back with the Griz next year. 4 game suspension so he would miss the first two games of next year. That is if he abides by all the other rules that will be put on him.

Are you just guessing a 4 game suspension?

 

[PlayerRep]

How can anyone even debate Poole of being innocent? He knowing purchased and possessed drugs. I wish him the best. With everything going on with the GRIZ, I honestly feel this is the time for the GRIZ to make a strong statement, and not tolerate this kind of decision making.

At some point in time, the GRIZ have to make a strong statement and a tone that bad decisions will not be tolerated. At some point the example has to be made of one of these players. The sooner the better, to move forward with cleaning up the program's reputation.

My opinion has nothing to do with Trevor. I think highly of him and his family. It has to do with the decision makers show this crap is a thing of the past, and not tolerated here any longer.

Has anyone even tried to argue that he's innocent? If not, why do you even make such a silly statement.
Under the US legal system, the next question is whether he could be convicted, based on legally seized evidence or legally received statements. I hope you are not suggesting that the US Constitution and Bill of Rights should not apply? And the next question is what is the proper resolution or penalty for having 2 pills of ecstasy in one's possession. My guess is that the last question will be the most important question. Feel free to call our attention to all of the first time offenders in Montana who had no prior criminal problems and who cooperated with legal authorities, who received felony sentences. I'd like to see some examples.

Some of you seem to think that zero tolerance of any problems will cause college kids not to make mistakes or do dumb things. I don't agree.

It was 2 pills. Maybe he was going to use them; maybe he bought then for a friend. The federal sentencing guidelines, which don't apply here, are notoriously too hard on this "crime". From what I've read, the guidelines punish more for dosages of ecstasy than for heroin and cocaine, even though many in the medical field say ecstasy is much less dangerous to the person than those other drugs and doesn't lead to other significant crimes.

I don't apologize for believing in the US Constitution and Bill of Right nor for US and state Constitutionally guaranteed criminal rights. It is truly amazing to me that some of you don't believe in the US Constitution. The level of ignorance is astounding.

I have read your many posts on this topic, and do not understand your reasoning for trying to protect this kid. Your logic seems to be that, if they can get the charges reduced to a misdemeanor, it makes everything kosher again. Are you serious? With all of the stuff that has happened with this program?

Who says I'm trying to protect him? I'm providing some legal information and information on the UM student-athlete code. I'm also providing some counterpoints to (dumb) things said by some posters. What I'd like to see is: the legal process treat Poole like any normal person (which I assume would cause this charge to get ultimately resolved so that he would not have a felony on his record), and then the university apply its student-athlete code (which, if the felony went away) would call for a minimum one-game suspension). If he ends up with a felony, then the code says that he would be dismissed. Is there anything wrong with following the law and the student-athlete code?

 

[GrizLA]

I think they would like to do that but I do think they really can. They have rules and if this is his first time ever being in trouble and it is a misdemeanor I don't believe they can just "kick him off". A 4 game suspension and some other "behind closed doors" punishments seems like a pretty good punishment for me. The dumbass better learn though.

And just for the record I would have no problem with him getting booted from the team permanently.

This just in...anyone who plays football for the University of Montana is prohibited from using alcohol and illegal drugs. No excuses will be tolerated, immediate dismissal upon 1st violation from the team.
This would take away the, I was drunk excuse from the violaters. Poole's case, he is too young to consume alcohol as well.

Thats not the rule and if it was the rule than most schools couldn't field a full football team. But buying "molly" is a little different than drinking alcohol, IMO.

I bought a molly once...but I do not think it was her real name. Nice girl.

Is that the Black Irish girl in Butte? Hell, everyone knows her...X rated!

 

[PlayerRep]

If this is dropped to a misdemeanor there is a good chance Poole will be back with the Griz next year. 4 game suspension so he would miss the first two games of next year. That is if he abides by all the other rules that will be put on him.

I think normally this would be what happens, but I can also see the possibility of them just kicking off to show a lesson to the team and to show the "community" that something is being done. If not for the recent events, this probably isn't as big of a deal as it is.

I think they would like to do that but I do think they really can. They have rules and if this is his first time ever being in trouble and it is a misdemeanor I don't believe they can just "kick him off". A 4 game suspension and some other "behind closed doors" punishments seems like a pretty good punishment for me. The dumbass better learn though.

And just for the record I would have no problem with him getting booted from the team permanently.

This just in...anyone who plays football for the University of Montana is prohibited from using alcohol and illegal drugs. No excuses will be tolerated, immediate dismissal upon 1st violation from the team.
This would take away the, I was drunk excuse from the violaters. Poole's case, he is too young to consume alcohol as well.

This just in. That isn't the rule in place at UM (or virtually any other school; I say virtually because who knows what schools like BYU have in their codes).

 

[PlayerRep]

Look at the statute, PlayerRep. It is very clear.

http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/mca/45/9/45-9-102.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Possession of one pill is enough to get put in the hooscow. If you don't like the law, you should petition the legislature to change it. Do you not believe in the laws of the state of Montana?

Checkmate PR

I know what the statute says. Like you said, possession is enough to get one charged. He was so charged. However, that is not how virtually all of these cases are resolved. Without aggravating circumstances and with a previous clean record, the state doesn't proceed so that the person ends up with a felony. Feel free to point out one example of any person in Poole's situation, who ended up with a felony for possessing two pills.

 

[GrizLA]

I think normally this would be what happens, but I can also see the possibility of them just kicking off to show a lesson to the team and to show the "community" that something is being done. If not for the recent events, this probably isn't as big of a deal as it is.

I think they would like to do that but I do think they really can. They have rules and if this is his first time ever being in trouble and it is a misdemeanor I don't believe they can just "kick him off". A 4 game suspension and some other "behind closed doors" punishments seems like a pretty good punishment for me. The dumbass better learn though.

And just for the record I would have no problem with him getting booted from the team permanently.

This just in...anyone who plays football for the University of Montana is prohibited from using alcohol and illegal drugs. No excuses will be tolerated, immediate dismissal upon 1st violation from the team.
This would take away the, I was drunk excuse from the violaters. Poole's case, he is too young to consume alcohol as well.

This just in. That isn't the rule in place at UM (or virtually any other school; I say virtually because who knows what schools like BYU have in their codes).

knowing it and enforcing it are two different things...

 

[WaGriz4life]

Best be calling the NCAA PR, they didn't consult with you. ANY street drug violation (including pot) is a min of 1 year (season) suspension AND loss of scholarship. Also should any of the following show up in a random drug test the same can aplly (a second violation is mandatory:


Ginkgo Biloba
Ginseng
Glucosamine*
Glycerol**
Green Tea
HMB Carnitine
Melatonin MSM
(Methylsulfonyl Methane)
Protein powders
Tribulus
Yohimbe

And in a total disregard for the constitution eligibility is retroactive to the date of offense so should the school FAIL to suspend they could be forced to forfeit any contest in which the player participated

And in your learning process about this relativley "harmless drug" try this:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16681170" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The conviction rate for use as a date rape Drug is growing. X is a cancer that needs purged quickly and fully from any connection with a ball club especially in a a "rape tainted" program.

Like I said PLEASE shut up. You are doing the program NO GOOD

Almost everything you just said is not correct. You think any street drug violation, including pot, is a mandatory one season suspension??? :lol: :lol: :lol: Sammy Watkins (you know the best receiver in America) got arrested for possesion this summer and was suspended for two games by Clemson. I could give you as many examples of this as you would like. The second violation of a failed drug test is also not an automatic 1 season suspension. like I said, virtually everything you said is incorrect.

 

[goarmy]

I can name you three division one schools where a single joint will get you not only dismissed from the team, but dismissed from the school. They also all have very strict rules in the dorms, require all students to live in the dorms, do not allow overnight guests, and have a 1AM mandatory lights out every night. No shortage of potential students, athletes, or fans.

As for Poole... the conditions of his bail forbid him from being around any alcohol. Won't take him long to violate that.

 

[WaGriz4life]

I can name you three division one schools where a single joint will get you not only dismissed from the team, but dismissed from the school. They also all have very strict rules in the dorms, require all students to live in the dorms, do not allow overnight guests, and have a 1AM mandatory lights out every night. No shortage of potential students, athletes, or fans.

As for Poole... the conditions of his bail forbid him from being around any alcohol. Won't take him long to violate that.

What are the names of these three schools?

 

[GrizMusician]

I can name you three division one schools where a single joint will get you not only dismissed from the team, but dismissed from the school. They also all have very strict rules in the dorms, require all students to live in the dorms, do not allow overnight guests, and have a 1AM mandatory lights out every night. No shortage of potential students, athletes, or fans.

As for Poole... the conditions of his bail forbid him from being around any alcohol. Won't take him long to violate that.

What are the names of these three schools?

TCU, BYU, & Liberty????

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[WaGriz4life]

I can name you three division one schools where a single joint will get you not only dismissed from the team, but dismissed from the school. They also all have very strict rules in the dorms, require all students to live in the dorms, do not allow overnight guests, and have a 1AM mandatory lights out every night. No shortage of potential students, athletes, or fans.

As for Poole... the conditions of his bail forbid him from being around any alcohol. Won't take him long to violate that.

What are the names of these three schools?

TCU, BYU, & Liberty????

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Definately not TCU. Their QB got arrested for a DWI for being under the influence of marijuana, TCU's coach, Gary Patterson has already said that he can come back to the team this spring after he completes his rehab program.

I'm sure all the TCU fans are outraged by this :roll:

 

[goarmy]

West Point.
Annapolis.
US Air Force Academy.

 

[WaGriz4life]

West Point.
Annapolis.
US Air Force Academy.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I thought you were being serious

 

[GrizMusician]

I can name you three division one schools where a single joint will get you not only dismissed from the team, but dismissed from the school. They also all have very strict rules in the dorms, require all students to live in the dorms, do not allow overnight guests, and have a 1AM mandatory lights out every night. No shortage of potential students, athletes, or fans.

As for Poole... the conditions of his bail forbid him from being around any alcohol. Won't take him long to violate that.

What are the names of these three schools?

TCU, BYU, & Liberty????

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Definately not TCU. Their QB got arrested for a DWI for being under the influence of marijuana, TCU's coach, Gary Patterson has already said that he can come back to the team this spring after he completes his rehab program

I though he was done for good??? He's a damn good QB.

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[mtgrizrule]

West Point.
Annapolis.
US Air Force Academy.

That explains why drinking is so encouraged and part of the military life. They have to catch up for lost time. Personally, I have no problem with the college fun. The problem is not being responsible while doing it.

 

[WaGriz4life]

What are the names of these three schools?

TCU, BYU, & Liberty????

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Definately not TCU. Their QB got arrested for a DWI for being under the influence of marijuana, TCU's coach, Gary Patterson has already said that he can come back to the team this spring after he completes his rehab program

I though he was done for good??? He's a damn good QB.

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"Hopefully, what our plan is that he (Pachall) gets himself right and keeps the door open for us as far as an opportunity for him to be able to come back here and enroll in the spring," Patterson said. "He would be able to graduate in two semesters, which is the ultimate goal for us. Also, we'd get a great kid and also a good quarterback back."

http://espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/story/_/id/8482903/tcu-horned-frogs-quarterback-casey-pachall-leave-school" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Clearly Gary Patterson doesn't get it and has no control over his team and doesn't have any standards for his team representing TCU :roll:

 

[goarmy]

They can't drink in the dorms. Didn't used to be able to have alcohol on campus at all, but that may have changed. And they don't get weekends off, necessarily. Certainly not the first couple of years. I'm not going to say my extended family doesn't drink. A lot. I'm just saying it is entirely possible to run a program with a whole lot of rules.

 

[GrizMusician]

TCU, BYU, & Liberty????

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Definately not TCU. Their QB got arrested for a DWI for being under the influence of marijuana, TCU's coach, Gary Patterson has already said that he can come back to the team this spring after he completes his rehab program

I though he was done for good??? He's a damn good QB.

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"Hopefully, what our plan is that he (Pachall) gets himself right and keeps the door open for us as far as an opportunity for him to be able to come back here and enroll in the spring," Patterson said. "He would be able to graduate in two semesters, which is the ultimate goal for us. Also, we'd get a great kid and also a good quarterback back."

http://espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/story/_/id/8482903/tcu-horned-frogs-quarterback-casey-pachall-leave-school" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Clearly Gary Patterson doesn't get it and has no control over his team and doesn't have any standards for his team representing TCU :roll:

Well I'll be damned... :lol:

What school was it that the player got kicked off the than for sleeping with his girlfriend? I don't remember if it was football or basketball, but it was within the last three years or so.

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[goarmy]

I think that one was BYU