poole update

[Griz2k]

How can anyone even debate Poole of being innocent? He knowing purchased and possessed drugs. I wish him the best. With everything going on with the GRIZ, I honestly feel this is the time for the GRIZ to make a strong statement, and not tolerate this kind of decision making.

At some point in time, the GRIZ have to make a strong statement and a tone that bad decisions will not be tolerated. At some point the example has to be made of one of these players. The sooner the better, to move forward with cleaning up the program's reputation.

My opinion has nothing to do with Trevor. I think highly of him and his family. It has to do with the decision makers show this crap is a thing of the past, and not tolerated here any longer.

Has anyone even tried to argue that he's innocent? If not, why do you even make such a silly statement.
Under the US legal system, the next question is whether he could be convicted, based on legally seized evidence or legally received statements. I hope you are not suggesting that the US Constitution and Bill of Rights should not apply? And the next question is what is the proper resolution or penalty for having 2 pills of ecstasy in one's possession. My guess is that the last question will be the most important question. Feel free to call our attention to all of the first time offenders in Montana who had no prior criminal problems and who cooperated with legal authorities, who received felony sentences. I'd like to see some examples.

Some of you seem to think that zero tolerance of any problems will cause college kids not to make mistakes or do dumb things. I don't agree.

It was 2 pills. Maybe he was going to use them; maybe he bought then for a friend. The federal sentencing guidelines, which don't apply here, are notoriously too hard on this "crime". From what I've read, the guidelines punish more for dosages of ecstasy than for heroin and cocaine, even though many in the medical field say ecstasy is much less dangerous to the person than those other drugs and doesn't lead to other significant crimes.

I don't apologize for believing in the US Constitution and Bill of Right nor for US and state Constitutionally guaranteed criminal rights. It is truly amazing to me that some of you don't believe in the US Constitution. The level of ignorance is astounding.

Unfortunately the Player Code of Conduct TRUMPS the US Constitution. When they sign their scholarship they agree to abide by the Player Conduct code. How hard is that to comprehend? I think 3 other players got suspended by just being there? No?

Actually, state universities are subject to the US Constitution, and a state university player code certainly does NOT trump the US Constitution.

In addition, the UM student-athlete code says that if a player is charged with a felony (and where it is reasonable to believe the player committed the act), the athletic conduct team of the university "shall take preliminary action to temporarily suspend the student-athlete from participation in practice, competition and/or access to athletic department services...." This is a Category I Violation. Note the "preliminarily", as well as the "and/or", especially the "or".

The code goes on to say: "This suspension is indefinite pending the outcome of disciplinary and/or criminal proceedings."

A Category II Violation is a "non-felony criminal offense and some other non-applicable offense. The penalty for a Category II Violation, First Offense, is a "minimum of one contest suspension". Second offense is minimum of 30% of scheduled contests. Third offense is "dismissal from team".

So, just looking at the athletic code, it looks like Poole's incident would drop at least to a Category II Violation, for which dismissal would be the penalty only if it were the third offense, which this surely isn't.

I hope some of you are not suggesting that UM violate it's new (tougher and more specific) code.

I am suggesting that Poole committed a felony and therefore should never suit up for the Griz again.

 

[tnt]

Best be calling the NCAA PR, they didn't consult with you. ANY street drug violation (including pot) is a min of 1 year (season) suspension AND loss of scholarship. Also should any of the following show up in a random drug test the same can aplly (a second violation is mandatory:


Ginkgo Biloba
Ginseng
Glucosamine*
Glycerol**
Green Tea
HMB Carnitine
Melatonin MSM
(Methylsulfonyl Methane)
Protein powders
Tribulus
Yohimbe

And in a total disregard for the constitution eligibility is retroactive to the date of offense so should the school FAIL to suspend they could be forced to forfeit any contest in which the player participated

And in your learning process about this relativley "harmless drug" try this:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16681170" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The conviction rate for use as a date rape Drug is growing. X is a cancer that needs purged quickly and fully from any connection with a ball club especially in a a "rape tainted" program.

Like I said PLEASE shut up. You are doing the program NO GOOD

 

[harrydoyle1989]

TNT,

Please provide a source to this alleged NCAA policy. I find it difficult to believe. PR is wrong virtually 100% of the time but he at least has the decency to ask an associate to search Wiki for him.

 

[ThrashedKid]

Green tea? Ginseng? I googled a bit but all I could find was
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Health+and+Safety/Drug+Testing/Resources/NCAA+banned+drugs+list" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/domi/genrel/auto_pdf/ncaa-banned-substance-list.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[BDizzle]

If this is dropped to a misdemeanor there is a good chance Poole will be back with the Griz next year. 4 game suspension so he would miss the first two games of next year. That is if he abides by all the other rules that will be put on him.

 

[tnt]

TNT,

Please provide a source to this alleged NCAA policy. I find it difficult to believe. PR is wrong virtually 100% of the time but he at least has the decency to ask an associate to search Wiki for him.

Each school has to have its own testing policy as the NCAA only tests during championships
Here is an easy one:

http://www.ncaa.org/blog/2012/03/a-simple-reason-schools-drug-test/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.athletics.wsu.edu/arc/Handbook/07_08/SEC4/Drug.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I did err on the supplements, they are banned in so far as the institution can not provide them......

 

[PTGrizzly]

If this is dropped to a misdemeanor there is a good chance Poole will be back with the Griz next year. 4 game suspension so he would miss the first two games of next year. That is if he abides by all the other rules that will be put on him.

I think normally this would be what happens, but I can also see the possibility of them just kicking off to show a lesson to the team and to show the "community" that something is being done. If not for the recent events, this probably isn't as big of a deal as it is.

 

[tnt]

If this is dropped to a misdemeanor there is a good chance Poole will be back with the Griz next year. 4 game suspension so he would miss the first two games of next year. That is if he abides by all the other rules that will be put on him.

I think normally this would be what happens, but I can also see the possibility of them just kicking off to show a lesson to the team and to show the "community" that something is being done. If not for the recent events, this probably isn't as big of a deal as it is.

You may be right but they don't normally drop these kind to a misdemeanor. The more common thing is a deferred sentence for some public service and/or treatment. He may not play ball again but the whole thing goes away as if it never happened. Some pretty severe consequences but at least a clean start.

Wasn't there a player disappearance(misdemeanor) this spring for another "drug" case sort of setting a precedent??

 

[Bear Pause]

How can anyone even debate Poole of being innocent? He knowing purchased and possessed drugs. I wish him the best. With everything going on with the GRIZ, I honestly feel this is the time for the GRIZ to make a strong statement, and not tolerate this kind of decision making.

At some point in time, the GRIZ have to make a strong statement and a tone that bad decisions will not be tolerated. At some point the example has to be made of one of these players. The sooner the better, to move forward with cleaning up the program's reputation.

My opinion has nothing to do with Trevor. I think highly of him and his family. It has to do with the decision makers show this crap is a thing of the past, and not tolerated here any longer.

Has anyone even tried to argue that he's innocent? If not, why do you even make such a silly statement.
Under the US legal system, the next question is whether he could be convicted, based on legally seized evidence or legally received statements. I hope you are not suggesting that the US Constitution and Bill of Rights should not apply? And the next question is what is the proper resolution or penalty for having 2 pills of ecstasy in one's possession. My guess is that the last question will be the most important question. Feel free to call our attention to all of the first time offenders in Montana who had no prior criminal problems and who cooperated with legal authorities, who received felony sentences. I'd like to see some examples.

Some of you seem to think that zero tolerance of any problems will cause college kids not to make mistakes or do dumb things. I don't agree.

It was 2 pills. Maybe he was going to use them; maybe he bought then for a friend. The federal sentencing guidelines, which don't apply here, are notoriously too hard on this "crime". From what I've read, the guidelines punish more for dosages of ecstasy than for heroin and cocaine, even though many in the medical field say ecstasy is much less dangerous to the person than those other drugs and doesn't lead to other significant crimes.

I don't apologize for believing in the US Constitution and Bill of Right nor for US and state Constitutionally guaranteed criminal rights. It is truly amazing to me that some of you don't believe in the US Constitution. The level of ignorance is astounding.

I have read your many posts on this topic, and do not understand your reasoning for trying to protect this kid. Your logic seems to be that, if they can get the charges reduced to a misdemeanor, it makes everything kosher again. Are you serious? With all of the stuff that has happened with this program?

 

[PTGrizzly]

How can anyone even debate Poole of being innocent? He knowing purchased and possessed drugs. I wish him the best. With everything going on with the GRIZ, I honestly feel this is the time for the GRIZ to make a strong statement, and not tolerate this kind of decision making.

At some point in time, the GRIZ have to make a strong statement and a tone that bad decisions will not be tolerated. At some point the example has to be made of one of these players. The sooner the better, to move forward with cleaning up the program's reputation.

My opinion has nothing to do with Trevor. I think highly of him and his family. It has to do with the decision makers show this crap is a thing of the past, and not tolerated here any longer.

Has anyone even tried to argue that he's innocent? If not, why do you even make such a silly statement.
Under the US legal system, the next question is whether he could be convicted, based on legally seized evidence or legally received statements. I hope you are not suggesting that the US Constitution and Bill of Rights should not apply? And the next question is what is the proper resolution or penalty for having 2 pills of ecstasy in one's possession. My guess is that the last question will be the most important question. Feel free to call our attention to all of the first time offenders in Montana who had no prior criminal problems and who cooperated with legal authorities, who received felony sentences. I'd like to see some examples.

Some of you seem to think that zero tolerance of any problems will cause college kids not to make mistakes or do dumb things. I don't agree.

It was 2 pills. Maybe he was going to use them; maybe he bought then for a friend. The federal sentencing guidelines, which don't apply here, are notoriously too hard on this "crime". From what I've read, the guidelines punish more for dosages of ecstasy than for heroin and cocaine, even though many in the medical field say ecstasy is much less dangerous to the person than those other drugs and doesn't lead to other significant crimes.

I don't apologize for believing in the US Constitution and Bill of Right nor for US and state Constitutionally guaranteed criminal rights. It is truly amazing to me that some of you don't believe in the US Constitution. The level of ignorance is astounding.

I have read your many posts on this topic, and do not understand your reasoning for trying to protect this kid. Your logic seems to be that, if they can get the charges reduced to a misdemeanor, it makes everything kosher again. Are you serious? With all of the stuff that has happened with this program?

You've never read a PR post before...have you? He's an original member of the Spin Doctors.

 

[BDizzle]

If this is dropped to a misdemeanor there is a good chance Poole will be back with the Griz next year. 4 game suspension so he would miss the first two games of next year. That is if he abides by all the other rules that will be put on him.

I think normally this would be what happens, but I can also see the possibility of them just kicking off to show a lesson to the team and to show the "community" that something is being done. If not for the recent events, this probably isn't as big of a deal as it is.

I think they would like to do that but I don't think they really can. They have rules and if this is his first time ever being in trouble and it is a misdemeanor I don't believe they can just "kick him off". A 4 game suspension and some other "behind closed doors" punishments seems like a pretty good punishment for me. The dumbass better learn though.

And just for the record I would have no problem with him getting booted from the team permanently.

 

[reinell30]

If this is dropped to a misdemeanor there is a good chance Poole will be back with the Griz next year. 4 game suspension so he would miss the first two games of next year. That is if he abides by all the other rules that will be put on him.

I think normally this would be what happens, but I can also see the possibility of them just kicking off to show a lesson to the team and to show the "community" that something is being done. If not for the recent events, this probably isn't as big of a deal as it is.

I think they would like to do that but I do think they really can. They have rules and if this is his first time ever being in trouble and it is a misdemeanor I don't believe they can just "kick him off". A 4 game suspension and some other "behind closed doors" punishments seems like a pretty good punishment for me. The dumbass better learn though.

And just for the record I would have no problem with him getting booted from the team permanently.

This just in...anyone who plays football for the University of Montana is prohibited from using alcohol and illegal drugs. No excuses will be tolerated, immediate dismissal upon 1st violation from the team.
This would take away the, I was drunk excuse from the violaters. Poole's case, he is too young to consume alcohol as well.

 

[grizindabox]

Due to ADD I could not fully understand what consequences my actions would have, so for medical reasons........

 

[BDizzle]

If this is dropped to a misdemeanor there is a good chance Poole will be back with the Griz next year. 4 game suspension so he would miss the first two games of next year. That is if he abides by all the other rules that will be put on him.

I think normally this would be what happens, but I can also see the possibility of them just kicking off to show a lesson to the team and to show the "community" that something is being done. If not for the recent events, this probably isn't as big of a deal as it is.

I think they would like to do that but I do think they really can. They have rules and if this is his first time ever being in trouble and it is a misdemeanor I don't believe they can just "kick him off". A 4 game suspension and some other "behind closed doors" punishments seems like a pretty good punishment for me. The dumbass better learn though.

And just for the record I would have no problem with him getting booted from the team permanently.

This just in...anyone who plays football for the University of Montana is prohibited from using alcohol and illegal drugs. No excuses will be tolerated, immediate dismissal upon 1st violation from the team.
This would take away the, I was drunk excuse from the violaters. Poole's case, he is too young to consume alcohol as well.

Thats not the rule and if it was the rule than most schools couldn't field a full football team. But buying "molly" is a little different than drinking alcohol, IMO.

 

[grizcountry420]

If this is dropped to a misdemeanor there is a good chance Poole will be back with the Griz next year. 4 game suspension so he would miss the first two games of next year. That is if he abides by all the other rules that will be put on him.

I think normally this would be what happens, but I can also see the possibility of them just kicking off to show a lesson to the team and to show the "community" that something is being done. If not for the recent events, this probably isn't as big of a deal as it is.

I think they would like to do that but I do think they really can. They have rules and if this is his first time ever being in trouble and it is a misdemeanor I don't believe they can just "kick him off". A 4 game suspension and some other "behind closed doors" punishments seems like a pretty good punishment for me. The dumbass better learn though.

And just for the record I would have no problem with him getting booted from the team permanently.

This just in...anyone who plays football for the University of Montana is prohibited from using alcohol and illegal drugs. No excuses will be tolerated, immediate dismissal upon 1st violation from the team.
This would take away the, I was drunk excuse from the violaters. Poole's case, he is too young to consume alcohol as well.

:lol:

 

[grizindabox]

I think normally this would be what happens, but I can also see the possibility of them just kicking off to show a lesson to the team and to show the "community" that something is being done. If not for the recent events, this probably isn't as big of a deal as it is.

I think they would like to do that but I do think they really can. They have rules and if this is his first time ever being in trouble and it is a misdemeanor I don't believe they can just "kick him off". A 4 game suspension and some other "behind closed doors" punishments seems like a pretty good punishment for me. The dumbass better learn though.

And just for the record I would have no problem with him getting booted from the team permanently.

This just in...anyone who plays football for the University of Montana is prohibited from using alcohol and illegal drugs. No excuses will be tolerated, immediate dismissal upon 1st violation from the team.
This would take away the, I was drunk excuse from the violaters. Poole's case, he is too young to consume alcohol as well.

Thats not the rule and if it was the rule than most schools couldn't field a full football team. But buying "molly" is a little different than drinking alcohol, IMO.

I bought a molly once...but I do not think it was her real name. Nice girl.

 

[griz5700]

Be a shame if he gets kicked off the team for this. He made a mistake and wasn't hurting anyone. Seriously, he takes the ecstasy and all that happens is he gives out a bunch of hugs and makes some new friends. Big deal.

Shouldn't have been there. Shouldn't have been buying ecstasy. But no need to derail a kids life over a college rave.

Honestly, that party sounded awesome.

 

[krammer]

grindabox,,,now thats funny and adds a little levity to this whole mess as well....

 

[bhumble]

Look at the statute, PlayerRep. It is very clear.

http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/mca/45/9/45-9-102.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Possession of one pill is enough to get put in the hooscow. If you don't like the law, you should petition the legislature to change it. Do you not believe in the laws of the state of Montana?

Checkmate PR

 

[MTOutsider]

The phoole needs to be off the team until all the investigations are finished. Then the Griz can go back to win at all costs.