poole update

[PlayerRep]

How can anyone even debate Poole of being innocent? He knowing purchased and possessed drugs. I wish him the best. With everything going on with the GRIZ, I honestly feel this is the time for the GRIZ to make a strong statement, and not tolerate this kind of decision making.

At some point in time, the GRIZ have to make a strong statement and a tone that bad decisions will not be tolerated. At some point the example has to be made of one of these players. The sooner the better, to move forward with cleaning up the program's reputation.

My opinion has nothing to do with Trevor. I think highly of him and his family. It has to do with the decision makers show this crap is a thing of the past, and not tolerated here any longer.

Has anyone even tried to argue that he's innocent? If not, why do you even make such a silly statement.
Under the US legal system, the next question is whether he could be convicted, based on legally seized evidence or legally received statements. I hope you are not suggesting that the US Constitution and Bill of Rights should not apply? And the next question is what is the proper resolution or penalty for having 2 pills of ecstasy in one's possession. My guess is that the last question will be the most important question. Feel free to call our attention to all of the first time offenders in Montana who had no prior criminal problems and who cooperated with legal authorities, who received felony sentences. I'd like to see some examples.

Some of you seem to think that zero tolerance of any problems will cause college kids not to make mistakes or do dumb things. I don't agree.

It was 2 pills. Maybe he was going to use them; maybe he bought then for a friend. The federal sentencing guidelines, which don't apply here, are notoriously too hard on this "crime". From what I've read, the guidelines punish more for dosages of ecstasy than for heroin and cocaine, even though many in the medical field say ecstasy is much less dangerous to the person than those other drugs and doesn't lead to other significant crimes.

I don't apologize for believing in the US Constitution and Bill of Right nor for US and state Constitutionally guaranteed criminal rights. It is truly amazing to me that some of you don't believe in the US Constitution. The level of ignorance is astounding.

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

I just love Draconian Laws; and to think, good o' Henry VIII had 350 infractions that necessitated capitol punishment. They all went out to Tyndall Hill and no wonder Australia began as it did. They must have had an overflow of those types, i.e., criminal types, so they sent them all away. The British must have thought the same when it came to their colonies in the "New World" as well.

"If you can't educate anybody; call it all a felony; no matter what."

So you are saying...no consequences, just say I'm sorry and learn from it?? Just asking.

I'm not trying to say anything; just wondering why you white people call everything a felony. Now I can understand that if I walk up to someone and club him in the back of the head with a 2-by-4 that would be a felonious assault. Smokin' a little grass in the privacy of my own home is a felony as well. What gives you white people the right in being hypocritical, anyways? What do you think you are?..God's gift to the human race?

 

[mtgrizrule]

PR, what some people are saying, for the sake of the reputation of the school and athletic teams we love. Misdemeanor, Felony, indiscretion, etc. These things have been going on way too long in GRIZ football. It is time for the decision makers to finally take a stand, that other schools take on this kind of crap. If these things were few and far between, sure give players a second chance. Unfortunately, legal troubles are too many and too often with GRIZ football.

Those schools are not in legal hot water, and not being torn down by the constitution. Many schools are taking very harsh stands and have little to no tolerance. I do hope the NCAA makes their member schools take harsher stands too. This bullshit takes away from the GRIZ program, and too many NCAA programs. Time for it to end, and let the legal system find whatever they find on the accused.

There is no denying he had illegal drugs on him. That a lone, needs to be enough for U of M to revoke his scholarship after this season. Find him help and assistance, support the family, but no more GRIZ football. The U of M needs to make it clear to all football players and athletes, no more excuses!!! You are adults and perfection off the field is expected!!! Sorry if that pisses you off, sue me!

 

[GrizPony]

I just love Draconian Laws; and to think, good o' Henry VIII had 350 infractions that necessitated capitol punishment. They all went out to Tyndall Hill and no wonder Australia began as it did. They must have had an overflow of those types, i.e., criminal types, so they sent them all away. The British must have thought the same when it came to their colonies in the "New World" as well.

"If you can't educate anybody; call it all a felony; no matter what."

So you are saying...no consequences, just say I'm sorry and learn from it?? Just asking.

I'm not trying to say anything; just wondering why you white people call everything a felony. Now I can understand that if I walk up to someone and club him in the back of the head with a 2-by-4 that would be a felonious assault. Smokin' a little grass in the privacy of my own home is a felony as well. What gives you white people the right in being hypocritical, anyways? What do you think you are?..God's gift to the human race?

I get the point, but you sound like the one fixated on race. Racist much? I'm a caublanasian!

 

[PlayerRep]

PR, what some people are saying, for the sake of the reputation of the school and athletic teams we love. Misdemeanor, Felony, indiscretion, etc. These things have been going on way too long in GRIZ football. It is time for the decision makers to finally take a stand, that other schools take on this kind of crap. If these things were few and far between, sure give players a second chance. Unfortunately, legal troubles are too many and too often with GRIZ football.

Those schools are not in legal hot water, and not being torn down by the constitution. Many schools are taking very harsh stands and have little to no tolerance. I do hope the NCAA makes their member schools take harsher stands too. This bullshit takes away from the GRIZ program, and too many NCAA programs. Time for it to end, and let the legal system find whatever they find on the accused.

There is no denying he had illegal drugs on him. That a lone, needs to be enough for U of M to revoke his scholarship after this season. Find him help and assistance, support the family, but no more GRIZ football. The U of M needs to make it clear to all football players and athletes, no more excuses!!! You are adults and perfection off the field is expected!!! Sorry if that pisses you off, sue me!

You are, of course, welcome to your opinion. However, I view your opinion as wrong and bad policy for a number of reasons. "Misdemeanor, felony, indiscretion"? Please don't tell us that you equate the three of them. That's just plain stupid.

To my knowledge, no UM player ever charged or convicted of a felony has ever played another down for UM, except for Wilson, so was acquitted of the charges. Let us know if you can think of any. As for misdemeanors or indiscretions, you can't be serious. You think misdemeanors and indiscretions should disqualify someone from playing college athletics, or playing for UM?

Do you care to point out what other schools (other than maybe BYU) take a stronger stand on this? "It is time for the decision makers to finally take a stand, that other schools take on this kind of crap." " Many schools are taking very harsh stands and have little to no tolerance." Note that LSU didn't dismiss its star player until he failed drug tests for the 3rd time. I think a number of schools have this 3-test policy.

I'm fine with this statement of yours: "Time for it to end, and let the legal system find whatever they find on the accused." That's what I'm suggesting. Let the legal system to determine whatever is appropriate. If Poole ends up with a felony record, I'm fine with him not getting another chance. If he ends up in a diversion program and without a felony record, then I believe that the university should take another look. Look at the athletic code, and tell us what it says, if something isn't a felony. I don't believe it supports your view.

As for suing you, you don't have enough money to make suing you worthwhile. Ha-ha.

 

[Uncle Si]

Hey! I was there smokin pinners, drinking sweet tea, and lookin at titties, I did not see PR or ALPHA anywhere.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Hey! I was there smokin pinners, drinking sweet tea, and lookin at titties, I did not see PR or ALPHA anywhere.

Did you get whiskey drunk?

Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Tapatalk 2

 

[Jerry Punch]

Hey! I was there smokin pinners, drinking sweet tea, and lookin at titties, I did not see PR or ALPHA anywhere.

Did you get whiskey drunk?

Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Tapatalk 2

I was there and traded my 3 wheeler to Poole for some whiskey. He should have left after that!

 

[Griz2k]

PR, what some people are saying, for the sake of the reputation of the school and athletic teams we love. Misdemeanor, Felony, indiscretion, etc. These things have been going on way too long in GRIZ football. It is time for the decision makers to finally take a stand, that other schools take on this kind of crap. If these things were few and far between, sure give players a second chance. Unfortunately, legal troubles are too many and too often with GRIZ football.

Those schools are not in legal hot water, and not being torn down by the constitution. Many schools are taking very harsh stands and have little to no tolerance. I do hope the NCAA makes their member schools take harsher stands too. This bullshit takes away from the GRIZ program, and too many NCAA programs. Time for it to end, and let the legal system find whatever they find on the accused.

There is no denying he had illegal drugs on him. That a lone, needs to be enough for U of M to revoke his scholarship after this season. Find him help and assistance, support the family, but no more GRIZ football. The U of M needs to make it clear to all football players and athletes, no more excuses!!! You are adults and perfection off the field is expected!!! Sorry if that pisses you off, sue me!

You are, of course, welcome to your opinion. However, I view your opinion as wrong and bad policy for a number of reasons. "Misdemeanor, felony, indiscretion"? Please don't tell us that you equate the three of them. That's just plain stupid.

To my knowledge, no UM player ever charged or convicted of a felony has ever played another down for UM, except for Wilson, so was acquitted of the charges. Let us know if you can think of any. As for misdemeanors or indiscretions, you can't be serious. You think misdemeanors and indiscretions should disqualify someone from playing college athletics, or playing for UM?

Do you care to point out what other schools (other than maybe BYU) take a stronger stand on this? "It is time for the decision makers to finally take a stand, that other schools take on this kind of crap." " Many schools are taking very harsh stands and have little to no tolerance." Note that LSU didn't dismiss its star player until he failed drug tests for the 3rd time. I think a number of schools have this 3-test policy.

I'm fine with this statement of yours: "Time for it to end, and let the legal system find whatever they find on the accused." That's what I'm suggesting. Let the legal system to determine whatever is appropriate. If Poole ends up with a felony record, I'm fine with him not getting another chance. If he ends up in a diversion program and without a felony record, then I believe that the university should take another look. Look at the athletic code, and tell us what it says, if something isn't a felony. I don't believe it supports your view.

As for suing you, you don't have enough money to make suing you worthwhile. Ha-ha.

I respectfully disagree. I'm tired of the old "let the legal system run its course" attitude that so many people have. I don't care if Poole pleads down to a misdemeanor or the whole thing gets thrown out completely. It's the simple fact of I'm tired of Griz players putting themselves in this position and Poole should never suit up for the Griz again. Especially with the intense scrutiny this program is already under, this is yet another black eye. Letting the legal system play out is not helping the problem, it's hindering it. If they don't put themselves in a position to get in trouble, then we don't have to worry about the legal system. That's all I'm saying. There are no more second chances or warnings or letting things play out. Get in legal trouble, then pack your bags. Again, just my opinion.

 

[getgrizzy]

number of u.m. players with legal issues by year:
2012 - 10 (thru october); doesn't include the 3 investigations.
2011 - 12
2010 - 6
2009 - 10
2008 - 9
2004-2007 - 10

some players had more than one issue, so the total issues don't equal the total players. there are 57 issues, but probably only (only?) 50 players. note the jump from 2004-2007 to 2008-2012. it goes from 10 issues over four years to 47 in five years.

 

[Grizmayor]

number of u.m. players with legal issues by year:
2012 - 10 (thru october); doesn't include the 3 investigations.
2011 - 12
2010 - 6
2009 - 10
2008 - 9
2004-2007 - 10

some players had more than one issue, so the total issues don't equal the total players. there are 57 issues, but probably only (only?) 50 players. note the jump from 2004-2007 to 2008-2012. it goes from 10 issues over four years to 47 in five years.

Big difference during the Obamanation? Obviously Bush's fault!

 

[PlayerRep]

PR, what some people are saying, for the sake of the reputation of the school and athletic teams we love. Misdemeanor, Felony, indiscretion, etc. These things have been going on way too long in GRIZ football. It is time for the decision makers to finally take a stand, that other schools take on this kind of crap. If these things were few and far between, sure give players a second chance. Unfortunately, legal troubles are too many and too often with GRIZ football.

Those schools are not in legal hot water, and not being torn down by the constitution. Many schools are taking very harsh stands and have little to no tolerance. I do hope the NCAA makes their member schools take harsher stands too. This bullshit takes away from the GRIZ program, and too many NCAA programs. Time for it to end, and let the legal system find whatever they find on the accused.

There is no denying he had illegal drugs on him. That a lone, needs to be enough for U of M to revoke his scholarship after this season. Find him help and assistance, support the family, but no more GRIZ football. The U of M needs to make it clear to all football players and athletes, no more excuses!!! You are adults and perfection off the field is expected!!! Sorry if that pisses you off, sue me!

You are, of course, welcome to your opinion. However, I view your opinion as wrong and bad policy for a number of reasons. "Misdemeanor, felony, indiscretion"? Please don't tell us that you equate the three of them. That's just plain stupid.

To my knowledge, no UM player ever charged or convicted of a felony has ever played another down for UM, except for Wilson, so was acquitted of the charges. Let us know if you can think of any. As for misdemeanors or indiscretions, you can't be serious. You think misdemeanors and indiscretions should disqualify someone from playing college athletics, or playing for UM?

Do you care to point out what other schools (other than maybe BYU) take a stronger stand on this? "It is time for the decision makers to finally take a stand, that other schools take on this kind of crap." " Many schools are taking very harsh stands and have little to no tolerance." Note that LSU didn't dismiss its star player until he failed drug tests for the 3rd time. I think a number of schools have this 3-test policy.

I'm fine with this statement of yours: "Time for it to end, and let the legal system find whatever they find on the accused." That's what I'm suggesting. Let the legal system to determine whatever is appropriate. If Poole ends up with a felony record, I'm fine with him not getting another chance. If he ends up in a diversion program and without a felony record, then I believe that the university should take another look. Look at the athletic code, and tell us what it says, if something isn't a felony. I don't believe it supports your view.

As for suing you, you don't have enough money to make suing you worthwhile. Ha-ha.

I respectfully disagree. I'm tired of the old "let the legal system run its course" attitude that so many people have. I don't care if Poole pleads down to a misdemeanor or the whole thing gets thrown out completely. It's the simple fact of I'm tired of Griz players putting themselves in this position and Poole should never suit up for the Griz again. Especially with the intense scrutiny this program is already under, this is yet another black eye. Letting the legal system play out is not helping the problem, it's hindering it. If they don't put themselves in a position to get in trouble, then we don't have to worry about the legal system. That's all I'm saying. There are no more second chances or warnings or letting things play out. Get in legal trouble, then pack your bags. Again, just my opinion.

UM is not "letting the legal system run its course". UM has dismissed Poole from the team. However, the results of the legal system should have an impact on the ultimately decision by UM, as it should, as it is required to under the athletic code, and as it did with for example Wilson. If Johnson is acquitted or the charges are dropped or the accuser says she falsely accused (not saying the accuser would ever do that), do you think UM should consider having Johnson back on the team. You ought to look at the athletic code. I don't think you understand how it works.

No school has a zero tolerance policy for all legal or other problems. No school has a hard and fast rule determined by allegations or charges. Any school that creates a system so tough (and unfair) will eventually lose alot of recruits. Why would a recruit want to go to a school that kicks players off the team and pulls their scholarships at the drop of a hat? Talk about unrealistic and ridiculous.

 

[PlayerRep]

number of u.m. players with legal issues by year:
2012 - 10 (thru october); doesn't include the 3 investigations.
2011 - 12
2010 - 6
2009 - 10
2008 - 9
2004-2007 - 10

some players had more than one issue, so the total issues don't equal the total players. there are 57 issues, but probably only (only?) 50 players. note the jump from 2004-2007 to 2008-2012. it goes from 10 issues over four years to 47 in five years.

I call BS to your numbers.

 

[tnt]

Actually PR possession is one charge (possibility) but with the designer drugs more than what a "single" dose of a "designer drug" would/can be considered intent to deliver (not the quite the same as "dealing") and interestingly there are separate charges available for "raves" primarily because of X's use as a rape drug......

Buying some for a friend is not a good idea. Whether the law is appropriate or not is irrelevant.

 

[PlayerRep]

Actually PR possession is one charge (possibility) but with the designer drugs more than what a "single" dose of a "designer drug" would/can be considered intent to deliver (not the quite the same as "dealing") and interestingly there are separate charges available for "raves" primarily because of X's use as a rape drug......

Actually, what you just said is not accurate. Why do you keep making up and posting completely incorrect things?

 

[Jerry Punch]

Look at the statute, PlayerRep. It is very clear.

http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/mca/45/9/45-9-102.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Possession of one pill is enough to get put in the hooscow. If you don't like the law, you should petition the legislature to change it. Do you not believe in the laws of the state of Montana?

 

[tnt]

Actually PR possession is one charge (possibility) but with the designer drugs more than what a "single" dose of a "designer drug" would/can be considered intent to deliver (not the quite the same as "dealing") and interestingly there are separate charges available for "raves" primarily because of X's use as a rape drug......

Actually, what you just said is not accurate. Why do you keep making up and posting completely incorrect things?

You are way out of your element. X prosecution and defense is a specialty area because of the unique nature of the drug (and covers more than just federal code 86) Most states (fortunately Montana is not one of them) have special laws covering "delivery" at raves as do the feds. One of the reasons is you tend to get "buzzy" pills which make you wanna dance e.t.c and "lovey" pills which give you increased arousal to touch and a feeling of a deeper connection with friends and loved ones. there are also lots of pills in between. Its a common "rape" drug an issue that is well covered in any "rave" guide. For once do yourself a favor and shut up. This is NOT a time to minimize anything. This isn't the old days where the cops had to clean the pot before they weighed it. It could have taken a VERY ugly turn, and florio could have a lot of "fun" if she wanted....

 

[WILD_CAT]

How can anyone even debate Poole of being innocent? He knowing purchased and possessed drugs. I wish him the best. With everything going on with the GRIZ, I honestly feel this is the time for the GRIZ to make a strong statement, and not tolerate this kind of decision making.

At some point in time, the GRIZ have to make a strong statement and a tone that bad decisions will not be tolerated. At some point the example has to be made of one of these players. The sooner the better, to move forward with cleaning up the program's reputation.

My opinion has nothing to do with Trevor. I think highly of him and his family. It has to do with the decision makers show this crap is a thing of the past, and not tolerated here any longer.

Has anyone even tried to argue that he's innocent? If not, why do you even make such a silly statement.
Under the US legal system, the next question is whether he could be convicted, based on legally seized evidence or legally received statements. I hope you are not suggesting that the US Constitution and Bill of Rights should not apply? And the next question is what is the proper resolution or penalty for having 2 pills of ecstasy in one's possession. My guess is that the last question will be the most important question. Feel free to call our attention to all of the first time offenders in Montana who had no prior criminal problems and who cooperated with legal authorities, who received felony sentences. I'd like to see some examples.

Some of you seem to think that zero tolerance of any problems will cause college kids not to make mistakes or do dumb things. I don't agree.

It was 2 pills. Maybe he was going to use them; maybe he bought then for a friend. The federal sentencing guidelines, which don't apply here, are notoriously too hard on this "crime". From what I've read, the guidelines punish more for dosages of ecstasy than for heroin and cocaine, even though many in the medical field say ecstasy is much less dangerous to the person than those other drugs and doesn't lead to other significant crimes.

I don't apologize for believing in the US Constitution and Bill of Right nor for US and state Constitutionally guaranteed criminal rights. It is truly amazing to me that some of you don't believe in the US Constitution. The level of ignorance is astounding.

Unfortunately the Player Code of Conduct TRUMPS the US Constitution. When they sign their scholarship they agree to abide by the Player Conduct code. How hard is that to comprehend? I think 3 other players got suspended by just being there? No?

 

[big kahuna]

Like it or not, football players are held to a higher standard. That should be pretty clear by now. The courts will decide whether this kid committed a crime, but when the evidence is so clear -- and the player admits the transgression -- he has lost the right to play football for this university. Felony or misdemeanor, it doesn't matter. That's just me.

 

[PlayerRep]

How can anyone even debate Poole of being innocent? He knowing purchased and possessed drugs. I wish him the best. With everything going on with the GRIZ, I honestly feel this is the time for the GRIZ to make a strong statement, and not tolerate this kind of decision making.

At some point in time, the GRIZ have to make a strong statement and a tone that bad decisions will not be tolerated. At some point the example has to be made of one of these players. The sooner the better, to move forward with cleaning up the program's reputation.

My opinion has nothing to do with Trevor. I think highly of him and his family. It has to do with the decision makers show this crap is a thing of the past, and not tolerated here any longer.

Has anyone even tried to argue that he's innocent? If not, why do you even make such a silly statement.
Under the US legal system, the next question is whether he could be convicted, based on legally seized evidence or legally received statements. I hope you are not suggesting that the US Constitution and Bill of Rights should not apply? And the next question is what is the proper resolution or penalty for having 2 pills of ecstasy in one's possession. My guess is that the last question will be the most important question. Feel free to call our attention to all of the first time offenders in Montana who had no prior criminal problems and who cooperated with legal authorities, who received felony sentences. I'd like to see some examples.

Some of you seem to think that zero tolerance of any problems will cause college kids not to make mistakes or do dumb things. I don't agree.

It was 2 pills. Maybe he was going to use them; maybe he bought then for a friend. The federal sentencing guidelines, which don't apply here, are notoriously too hard on this "crime". From what I've read, the guidelines punish more for dosages of ecstasy than for heroin and cocaine, even though many in the medical field say ecstasy is much less dangerous to the person than those other drugs and doesn't lead to other significant crimes.

I don't apologize for believing in the US Constitution and Bill of Right nor for US and state Constitutionally guaranteed criminal rights. It is truly amazing to me that some of you don't believe in the US Constitution. The level of ignorance is astounding.

Unfortunately the Player Code of Conduct TRUMPS the US Constitution. When they sign their scholarship they agree to abide by the Player Conduct code. How hard is that to comprehend? I think 3 other players got suspended by just being there? No?

Actually, state universities are subject to the US Constitution, and a state university player code certainly does NOT trump the US Constitution.

In addition, the UM student-athlete code says that if a player is charged with a felony (and where it is reasonable to believe the player committed the act), the athletic conduct team of the university "shall take preliminary action to temporarily suspend the student-athlete from participation in practice, competition and/or access to athletic department services...." This is a Category I Violation. Note the "preliminarily", as well as the "and/or", especially the "or".

The code goes on to say: "This suspension is indefinite pending the outcome of disciplinary and/or criminal proceedings."

A Category II Violation is a "non-felony criminal offense and some other non-applicable offense. The penalty for a Category II Violation, First Offense, is a "minimum of one contest suspension". Second offense is minimum of 30% of scheduled contests. Third offense is "dismissal from team".

So, just looking at the athletic code, it looks like Poole's incident would drop at least to a Category II Violation, for which dismissal would be the penalty only if it were the third offense, which this surely isn't.

I hope some of you are not suggesting that UM violate it's new (tougher and more specific) code.