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Playoffs..are we toast?

havgrizfan said:
NW inland, what does the result of the 2013 playoffs have to do with what I was saying. I was simply saying, the selection process is subjective. And that IF Cal Poly and Montana end up 8-4, the loss at Poly doesn't automatically mean the Griz are out and Poly is in. It just doesn't work that way.

But since you seem to be angry about the Griz getting a playoff seed last year, let me ask you this, if that scenario unfolds, and the Griz get in and Cal Poly doesn't, are you going to protest? Are you going to to be mad at the University of Montana FOOTBALL TEAM for being selected to the playoffs?

I swear, some of you guys act like the entire universe revolves around this stuff. IF Montana goes 8-4, and the Griz get in the playoffs, which i 100 percent believe they will, some Griz fans will be mad about that??? WTF
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Nope, not mad they got in last year. They were 10-3 after all. Clearly they were over ranked though; I would hope you could admit that. Based on that, I don't think it's a given the Griz make the playoffs this year. Who have they beat? That's why I say I hope the Cats kick ISU's ass, and the Griz dominate in the Brawl. I feel that's the only way they can dictate a playoff berth.

I swear some of you guys like to talk about everything positive, and pretend the negative isn't there. I always hope for the best for the Griz. That doesn't mean I don't pay attention to what is going on in games. There is alot to be disappointed in, and I'm not talking about players
 
If the Big Sky Conference gets 4 teams in the playoffs, Griz will be lucky to get one of the four bids. NAU and EWU appear to have a lock on two of the bids (assuming they don’t stumble), and UM, MSU, ISU and Cal Poly, are candidates for the other two bids.

If ISU and Cal Poly win out I think it would be hard to pick UM and MSU over those two teams (UM and having lost to Cal Poly and MSU losing to ISU).

I think NCAA would like to find a way to pick both UM and MSU for the playoffs because they both sell a lot of tickets for home games. It will be interesting to see how NCAA weighs fairness vs. profits.

Stay tuned.
 
Inland NW Griz said:
havgrizfan said:
NW inland, what does the result of the 2013 playoffs have to do with what I was saying. I was simply saying, the selection process is subjective. And that IF Cal Poly and Montana end up 8-4, the loss at Poly doesn't automatically mean the Griz are out and Poly is in. It just doesn't work that way.

But since you seem to be angry about the Griz getting a playoff seed last year, let me ask you this, if that scenario unfolds, and the Griz get in and Cal Poly doesn't, are you going to protest? Are you going to to be mad at the University of Montana FOOTBALL TEAM for being selected to the playoffs?

I swear, some of you guys act like the entire universe revolves around this stuff. IF Montana goes 8-4, and the Griz get in the playoffs, which i 100 percent believe they will, some Griz fans will be mad about that??? WTF
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Nope, not mad they got in last year. They were 10-3 after all. Clearly they were over ranked though; I would hope you could admit that. Based on that, I don't think it's a given the Griz make the playoffs this year. Who have they beat? That's why I say I hope the Cats kick ISU's ass, and the Griz dominate in the Brawl. I feel that's the only way they can dictate a playoff berth.

I swear some of you guys like to talk about everything positive, and pretend the negative isn't there. I always hope for the best for the Griz. That doesn't mean I don't pay attention to what is going on in games. There is alot to be disappointed in, and I'm not talking about players
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+1
 
Still some football to be played. First, I totally agree that the Griz must win out.

That being said, I would like to point out that teams the ranked #1, #6, #8, and #10 also lost today. That's four teams currently ahead of the Griz in the polls that lost. You think that won't stir the pot? More importantly, those teams all lost to unranked or lower-ranked teams. The Griz lost, on the road, to the #5 team in the country. I'd be surprised if the Griz drop below about #15. (Perhaps I'll do my "poll guesses" later tonight, if I can get up the energy.)

When (if) they win out -- obviously including a win over MSU -- the Griz will move up, and possibly into the top-ten. Some of you say the maroon-glasses people are delusional. Anyone who thinks a Griz team that is in or near the top ten in the country won't get a bid are the delusional ones. (I know the polls "don't count," officially, but no matter what people claim, they do matter.)

Do the Griz "deserve" to be in the top-15? God knows. We watched another batch of FCS games today, besides the Griz. When they're "on," the Griz are as good as anyone we saw today. Other times ... not so much. So it depends upon which version shows up, and for how long. Some teams ahead of the Griz -- even though they won -- didn't look that great either.
 
IF we get into the playoffs just who in hell can we beat out of Wa Griz? So we make it in as a last seed and travel???

Do we all have Griz delusion?
 
Are we out? I believe so. At times this team looks pretty good but I have yet to see them play 4 quarters of mistake free football. This game was riddled with key moment mistakes. It'll be interesting to see how these kids react to this loss realizing that it very well may be the last two. Personally I don't see a 8-4 Montana team in.
 
Another important thing that nobody has yet mentioned is strength of schedule. Who are our losses to? FBS Wyo and NDSU. (Two games we didn't have to play. We decided to schedule those two hard games.) Then in conference Cal Poly and EWU. Coly Poly is currently ranked (although maybe they won't be anymore). EWU is currently #5 and would be higher if it were not for losing VA and subsequently losing to NAU. So, losses to: FBS, #1 team in country, #5 team, and underranked Cal Poly. I think that will matter.
 
Umista said:
IF we get into the playoffs just who in hell can we beat out of Wa Griz? So we make it in as a last seed and travel???

Do we all have Griz delusion?
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With all due respect: What's your point?

I think everyone one here knows the Griz must win out. Period ... end of discussion.

So ... given that the do win out, they will be -- for the reasons noted in my previous post -- pretty highly ranked. After all, to win out, they have to win over the kitties, who are likely to be ranked in the top-20 even if they lose to ISU next week. If MSU does beat ISU, and then the Griz beat MSU, I would project the Griz to be a 10-12 ranked team. Will they get a high seed with that and their "body of work"? No way -- I see no chance that the Griz get a high seed, no matter how many highly ranked teams lose over the next two weeks. But you don't have to get a high seed to have a home game in the first round. Guaranteed? Obviously not ... and after that, all bets are off.
 
qwerty15ster said:
Another important thing that nobody has yet mentioned is strength of schedule. Who are our losses to? FBS Wyo and NDSU. (Two games we didn't have to play. We decided to schedule those two hard games.) Then in conference Cal Poly and EWU. Coly Poly is currently ranked (although maybe they won't be anymore). EWU is currently #5 and would be higher if it were not for losing VA and subsequently losing to NAU. So, losses to: FBS, #1 team in country, #5 team, and underranked Cal Poly. I think that will matter.
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shouldn't it be more about who you beat and not who you play? Griz have played a difficult schedule, but have not beat any of the good opponents. Not sure that is a good thing to hang your hat on.
 
Wins over powerhouses sac, Davis, and central washington not a big help in our quest even if we win out
 
grizindabox said:
qwerty15ster said:
Another important thing that nobody has yet mentioned is strength of schedule. Who are our losses to? FBS Wyo and NDSU. (Two games we didn't have to play. We decided to schedule those two hard games.) Then in conference Cal Poly and EWU. Coly Poly is currently ranked (although maybe they won't be anymore). EWU is currently #5 and would be higher if it were not for losing VA and subsequently losing to NAU. So, losses to: FBS, #1 team in country, #5 team, and underranked Cal Poly. I think that will matter.
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shouldn't it be more about who you beat and not who you play? Griz have played a difficult schedule, but have not beat any of the good opponents. Not sure that is a good thing to hang your hat on.
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Sure, who you beat is important too. But overall number of wins (and viewing it from the opposite end, overall number of losses) matters more. Here, teams the Griz lost to were very good. I think the committee will take note of who we played.

Furthermore, if you're looking to who we beat, I think that will look kinda good. (Remember I'm assuming we win out.) We will have beaten Sac State and MSU. I think that will look pretty good along with losses to tough teams.
 
so grizindabox, if the Griz get the call for the playoffs at 8-4, with no wins against playoff caliber teams, will you be mad? Will you protest?
 
I wouldn't hold my breath. A playoff birth is more unlikely than likely at this point.
For the seniors beating the cats will be they're high lite.
 
grizindabox said:
qwerty15ster said:
Another important thing that nobody has yet mentioned is strength of schedule. Who are our losses to? FBS Wyo and NDSU. (Two games we didn't have to play. We decided to schedule those two hard games.) Then in conference Cal Poly and EWU. Coly Poly is currently ranked (although maybe they won't be anymore). EWU is currently #5 and would be higher if it were not for losing VA and subsequently losing to NAU. So, losses to: FBS, #1 team in country, #5 team, and underranked Cal Poly. I think that will matter.
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shouldn't it be more about who you beat and not who you play? Griz have played a difficult schedule, but have not beat any of the good opponents. Not sure that is a good thing to hang your hat on.
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I totally agree that we should have won against at least one good/decent opponent. Still, having watched quite a few games in many of the (ahem) "lesser" conferences, some of the teams that are likely to get automatic bids are really not very good. Even the SoCon may well be a one-bid conference, leaving more slots that the Griz could slip into, even without any "quality" wins. And -- as has been noted many times -- the "crowds" for many teams, even in the stronger conferences, are practically non-existent.
 
So Bigsky33, let's flip that script. If you're saying, if the Griz win it out, they still won't be in the playoffs. Do you agree that an 8-4 MSU team, with a loss to Idaho State (Which I'm actually not predicting), and then a win in Wash-Griz would still have the Cats NOT in the playoffs? I totally don't agree with that at all. I think the Cats would get in in that scenario.

Basically, it comes down to the committee's opinions and the TSN and Coaches Polls. SOS plays a factor too. And from what I've seen, Cal Poly just played themselves out today, even WITH their wins over the Montana schools. Cal Poly just doesn't have the same respect from the power's that be. Is it fair? I don't know. And really I don't care. It's reality.
 
qwerty15ster said:
Another important thing that nobody has yet mentioned is strength of schedule. Who are our losses to? FBS Wyo and NDSU. (Two games we didn't have to play. We decided to schedule those two hard games.) Then in conference Cal Poly and EWU. Coly Poly is currently ranked (although maybe they won't be anymore). EWU is currently #5 and would be higher if it were not for losing VA and subsequently losing to NAU. So, losses to: FBS, #1 team in country, #5 team, and underranked Cal Poly. I think that will matter.
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Listen to this committee member and come up with your own opinions.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCotwOXYY44[/youtube]
 
grizaremoregooder said:
How many teams make the playoffs like what 60?
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No, only 20 or so. But unlike the 17 or so straight years we made the playoffs with only 16 teams, we can't make it now with 20. But we are still elite. :lol:

There is no bigger Griz fan than me. But I am fed up with the direction of this program, and reflectance to make the necessary changes to return us to dominance. If more you, especially the GSA would demand a new direction, it would be done. But there are too many spineless, or clueless fans who think that criticizing the program is being a bad fan. You are not helping the program, even though you think your loyalty makes you correct.
 
havgrizfan said:
So Bigsky33, let's flip that script. If you're saying, if the Griz win it out, they still won't be in the playoffs. Do you agree that an 8-4 MSU team, with a loss to Idaho State (Which I'm actually not predicting), and then a win in Wash-Griz would still have the Cats NOT in the playoffs? I totally don't agree with that at all. I think the Cats would get in in that scenario.

Basically, it comes down to the committee's opinions and the TSN and Coaches Polls. SOS plays a factor too. And from what I've seen, Cal Poly just played themselves out today, even WITH their wins over the Montana schools. Cal Poly just doesn't have the same respect from the power's that be. Is it fair? I don't know. And really I don't care. It's reality.
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It comes down to the committees polls they do every week in their conference calls., not the TSN and coaches polls. Another thing you are going against every other team that is 8-4, not just the BSC. They are looking at 13 spots.

Interesting conversation in the youtube video I posted above from a committee member.

The end of the year performance is big. Are you moving up or down. Look at Youngstown State last year, and look at what UNI has down the last two weeks. At this point I don't think either Montana team deserves to be in the playoffs, that doesn't mean they will not.
 
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