Playoffs..are we toast?

[krammer]

does playing a fbs school tight (Wyoming) and number 1 (at the time) ranked ndsu tight along with number 5 at the time eastern wa. close , give us an inside track to a playoff position over other teams? just asking,,,it seems it would factor in to some degree...

How do those losses affect you? Simply put Moral Victories do not help.
1. Less of a chance to get to 8 D1 wins, see my post today on 8 wins vs 7 wins.
2. Comparing schedules. A loss to Cal Poly with ISU beating Cal Poly
3. End of the season loss trends. See Youngstown State, three consecutive losses to end the season, and 8 D1 wins.
4. Can help or hurt your SOS. A lot of SOS, NCAA for example, in their SRS does not use MOV so playing close means absolutely nothing there either.

With that being written, if all other things are equal, and the only card you have left is a loss to someone then it might be the difference. Most people with any common sense would say, it is already figured in the SOS, so why give it to them again?

ok, thanks, what you said makes a lot of sense.....

 

[mcg]

We wouldn't be having this discussion if the Griz would have played a D1 team (even a very weak one) rather than CWU.

 

[PlayerRep]

does playing a fbs school tight (Wyoming) and number 1 (at the time) ranked ndsu tight along with number 5 at the time eastern wa. close , give us an inside track to a playoff position over other teams? just asking,,,it seems it would factor in to some degree...

Yes. Sure hope it's enough. Hope other upsets don't result in taking up slots of the stronger conferences.

 

[PlayerRep]

We wouldn't be having this discussion if the Griz would have played a D1 team (even a very weak one) rather than CWU.

Or, if UM had scheduled an easier FCS team instead of Wyo. or NDSU. As I said earlier this season, I hope UM didn't schedule itself out of the playoffs. 2 wins in the Wyo and NDSU slots would have gotten UM in the playoffs. Even with a loss to the Cats, UM would be 9-3 and in the playofss under that scenario.

 

[argh!]

We wouldn't be having this discussion if the Griz would have played a D1 team (even a very weak one) rather than CWU.

Or, if UM had scheduled an easier FCS team instead of Wyo. or NDSU. As I said earlier this season, I hope UM didn't schedule itself out of the playoffs. 2 wins in the Wyo and NDSU slots would have gotten UM in the playoffs. Even with a loss to the Cats, UM would be 9-3 and in the playofss under that scenario.

if greenie was black, indian would be the new purple. even with a loss to the browns.

 

[PlayerRep]

does playing a fbs school tight (Wyoming) and number 1 (at the time) ranked ndsu tight along with number 5 at the time eastern wa. close , give us an inside track to a playoff position over other teams? just asking,,,it seems it would factor in to some degree...

How do those losses affect you? Simply put Moral Victories do not help.
1. Less of a chance to get to 8 D1 wins, see my post today on 8 wins vs 7 wins.
2. Comparing schedules. A loss to Cal Poly with ISU beating Cal Poly
3. End of the season loss trends. See Youngstown State, three consecutive losses to end the season, and 8 D1 wins.
4. Can help or hurt your SOS. A lot of SOS, NCAA for example, in their SRS does not use MOV so playing close means absolutely nothing there either.

With that being written, if all other things are equal, and the only card you have left is a loss to someone then it might be the difference. Most people with any common sense would say, it is already figured in the SOS, so why give it to them again?

Actually, close and "good" losses do help. They don't get the school over not having enough D-I wins, but the committee analyzes the entire schedule--wins, losses and strength of schedule. You have never talked to anyone playoff committee member. You often don't know what you're talking about. Krammer's above short analysis is good and accurate. It can be very important who losses were to, and by how much.

Also, wins are figured into SOS too, as, of course, all games are.

 

[AZGrizFan]

idagriz, i can't argue with that thought process at all.

Where's rob? He'll argue the f*** outta that logic. :lol: :roll:

I'm worried that the Griz are going to make the playoffs, causing Robsnotes4u to have an aneurism as his head explodes trying to figure out how an 8-4 Griz team made the playoffs despite all his statistical analysis.

Remember, it's all just a big robsnotes4u psychology experiment.

has robsnotes4u PM'ed you yet? Because he insists an 8-4 Griz team won't be in.

Man crush? Stalker? Or is it just that easy to get in and play with a simple mind?

Says the guy who spent the time to go to multiple threads to dig up the handful of posts I made laughing at your sorry logic. :lol:

 

[Umista]

We all worry about getting in? Why?
I am concerned about not being one and done.
In other words if we get in we will be playing a higher seed in their house.
Our track record is dismal in that particular regard.
Just getting in "makes" your season?
Not mine. Costal C. took the wind (win) out of my sails last season and we should have won that one right at home!

 

[AZGrizFan]

We all worry about getting in? Why?
I am concerned about not being one and done.
In other words if we get in we will be playing a higher seed in their house.
Our track record is dismal in that particular regard.
Just getting in "makes" your season?
Not mine. Costal C. took the wind (win) out of my sails last season and we should have won that one right at home!

If we're in, do we have to play a first round game?

 

[George Ferguson]

If the Griz get in, they will bid on the first round game. It won't be at a higher seed at their house. A win in the first round, and yes, the Griz will go on the road. I think the NCAA wants badly to wind up with Montana at EWU and Montana State at NDSU in the second round or vice versa. We'll see what happens.

 

[grizcountry420]

No way does both the Griz and the Cats make the playoffs..

 

[AZGrizFan]

Agreed...

 

[George Ferguson]

If the Griz, Cats and Poly are 8-4 no way Poly makes the playoffs. Sticky this now

 

[grizcountry420]

If the Griz, Cats and Poly are 8-4 no way Poly makes the playoffs. Sticky this now

I don't think Cal Poly will make it in but NAU will. So that would be four teams from the Big Sky getting in.

 

[George Ferguson]

yes 4, griz, cats, nau and ewu

 

[George Ferguson]

If the Cats lose to ISU, they are out because obviously they will lose to the Griz too :thumb: That is Poly's only hope, but might not be enough because I think ISU would get the nod

 

[Hammer]

yes 4, griz, cats, nau and ewu

So you think the cats will beat ISU obviously.

 

[George Ferguson]

Hammer I do. I know the Kittens have played poorly the last three weeks, but I just have a feeling Prukop will RUN wild on ISU's defense. It will be a MSU/Sac State MSU/EWU type of shootout, but I think MSU gets it done at the very end, and then the Griz drop em' like a bad habit the next week. It's only my opinion, but I think that's still enough for the Cats to get in. I think the Big Sky gets four, and I think the committee wants to do all it can to get the Big Sky's too biggest DRAWS, UM and MSU in. Sorry EWU, but your home playoff games are not a big draw for the NCAA.

 

[EWURanger29]

If the Griz, Cats and Poly are 8-4 no way Poly makes the playoffs. Sticky this now

Perhaps, but that'd be a little strange considering they beat both UM and MSU. HTH does factor into the decision quite a bit.

 

[George Ferguson]

SMH, a few you guys got to get over two things, WISHING UM wouldn't get in, and Cal Poly being in AHEAD of an 8-4 Griz team just because the Stangs beat them. It's just NOT reality. Yes Ranger, head-to-head is A factor, but it's one of many, and if you can't see how much ground Cal Poly has lost, or, never really had for that matter, you're just not paying attention. For whatever reason, the Stangs' just do not have the respect that other teams do. I don't know why, I don't really care why. I'm not a Mustangs fan. I'm a Griz fan, and so therefore my only concern is the Griz getting in, and I feel pretty good knowing the Griz are a lock at 8-4.