Playing time comparison (Big Sky & Top 10)

[sacstateman]

I'm sure that Timmy Falls will really want to come to Montana after reading this thread....what a recruiting tool you guys are....

You honestly think message board drama is going to dissuade a recruit from wanting to go to a particular school? I'd say that's probably pretty damn far down the list of possible reasons a recruit might not want to attend a certain university.

Here are some reasons that are more likely to affect a potential recruit:

Seeing a gym that looks more like Lolo Middle School's gym.
Seeing that a team doesn't even draw 1k fans on average to their home games.
Seeing a team that each year plays an awful non-conference strength of schedule (sometimes one of the worst in the entire country), 4 of the last 6 years not even getting into the top 300 for non-conference SOS.
Seeing a team that's only finished in the top half of their own conference 1 time in the past decade.

Luckily none of those things apply to the Griz. The Griz have a fantastic arena, draw good crowds (compared to other Big Sky and other mid-major conferences), play tough non-conference schedules regularly, and are typically up near the top or at the top of the Big Sky & participating in post season tournaments.

I seriously doubt message board chatter is going to have an effect on a recruit. That's about as likely as DeCuire listening to PlayerRep's opinion on how much playing time each player should be getting

Actually Potomac, I was not thinking of the recruit as much as I was thinking of the recruits parents...if I had a child being recruited, I would not particularly want him or her to be critiqued weekly by fans with the attitude that some of you have exhibited here...and you KNOW Timmy Falls father is following this board...

 

[Potomac Griz]

Actually Potomac, I was not thinking of the recruit as much as I was thinking of the recruits parents...if I had a child being recruited, I would not particularly want him or her to be critiqued weekly by fans with the attitude that some of you have exhibited here...and you KNOW Timmy Falls father is following this board...

It's an active message board, there are going to be disagreements on it, trolls, assholes and posters who say absurd things quite frequently. Have you ever checked out shaggybevo.com, or any of the big time program message boards? This one is VERY tame compared to most

A passionate fan base isn't a bad thing.

 

[GrizLA]

Potomac, shall we have a bet on whether Travis listens to you more than me?

See, the difference is my ego isn't so gigantic that I actually think a D1 coach as good as DeCuire would listen to my advice, nor would I try to give him advice. If you're actually trying to give him tips on how to run his team or think he gives a flying rats ass about your opinion on this matter then you're more delusional than I thought :lol:

Also, what happened to him obviously agreeing with you? He played the deep bench against SUU in a blowout win (like 99.9% of coaches do in a blowout win), but look what happened when the game was fairly close. He went back to the normal 8 man rotation, like most teams have (some having a 7 man rotation). Odd how that works huh?

Seems to me he isn't listening to your advice at all....nor should he. If he did we'd be in some serious trouble.

He knows what he's doing, he has a good rotation set, and he'll go deeper on the bench when needed or when it's a blowout. You worrying about certain players getting tired and thinking the Griz players are more prone to get tired than players from other teams is absurd. DeCuire knows his team, his players, and their capabilities a hell of a lot better than you do. After all, he's not only played the game he's coached the game for many years.

Potomac, it has nothing to do with ego. From what you say and what I know about you, you don't even know the coach and you are not much of a supporter of UM athletics including basketball. You just like to blab on the internet about things you know little or nothing about.

For chrissake, please stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[GrizWhiz]

I hereby declare these proceedings closed! :thumb:

 

[AZGrizFan]

I thought this shit was reserved for the football board?

 

[PlayerRep]

As I said, you don't know DeCuire and provide little or no support for the program. Just a blabber on the internet. Feel free to remind me where I said, in any serious way, I was giving advice to DeCuire.

You asked:

Potomac, shall we have a bet on whether Travis listens to you more than me?

That implies that you think DeCuire listens to you.

So...do you think he does? Or do you think he doesn't? Simple question.

No, it doesn't imply anything. The question was whether he listens to you. You haven't answered that question. Does he listen to you?

But, ya, I know him a bit. Looks like you don't. Yes, he listens to me when I talk to him. I support the basketball team financially. Do you? I go to some of the fundraising events. Do you? I've talked to him about basketball and the team and even the refs. Have you? His uncle had dinner with my wife and me after the EWU loss last year. Travis' godfather is the brother of a couple of my friends (twins) whom I played football with and have been friends with since then. Let's hear about all your connections.

Quit Jacking yourself off you are not important! It's obviously you've never played the game ! Potomac handed you your ass on platter !

Potomac didn't even come close to creating a scratch. Just a bunch of meaningless and irrelevant crap posted by him.

My view lined up exactly with GrizRule, and GrizRule is probably the most knowledgeable basketball poster who posts frequently on this board. Again, below is what GrizRule posted after the SU game. I agree with all of it, and it is what I was saying all along on this subject.

"It was great to see DeJong with developmental minutes."

"I was disappointed and surprised Boehning did not play. I think he might be injured or DeCuire is giving him some tough love for something we will never hear of. Either way, this game was a perfect opportunity to get him some developmental minutes and it did not happen."

"Oguine was not the only freshman who played well. Moorehead, like Oguine, played calm and cool, and hit double digits without missing a shot. These young guys are getting better every game."

"Maybe the best news of all, no GRIZ logged more than 30 minutes on the court."

 

[cmtgrizzly]

Hey there maybe a way to control this, see the Ideas and comments forum

 

[PlayerRep]

I would really doubt a DIV 1 coach's credibility in any sport if they actually took advise from fans, regarding strategy and personnel. Beyond promotional or fan support suggestions, or a coach asking something like "what did you think of....(whatever it might be)", DIV 1 coaches are not going to take advise from fans.

Totally agree. Show me a coach who takes advice from donors (no matter how much they give) and/or fans and I'll show ya a coach who is likely going to be looking for a new job soon

Overall, I feel Travis has done a near perfect job of minute allocation this season. He and his staff have an excellent read on their personnel.

Again, I totally agree. That's what I've been trying to push with this thread and in another thread. DeCuire knows what he's doing out there & what he's doing when it comes to playing certain players a 30+ minutes is VERY common.

Look at how he exceeded expectations (in a big way) last year even being down one scholarship. He took a Griz team that was picked to finish either 5th or 7th if I remember right (depending on the poll) and won the regular season title with them. That's damn impressive and a good indication that he knows what he's doing.

We ended up losing in a close game to a VERY talented EWU team that had a legit NBA prospect (Harvey) and several other players who will end up playing professionally somewhere.

This year we're sitting in the #1 spot even after having played the majority of our conference games on the road, having our normal starting PG injured for half the year & having him a bit rusty offensively when he came back. Again, damn impressive!

FWIW, as much as I liked Tinkle as a coach, recruiter and person he had some "growing pains" when he made the jump to HC initially. DeCuire seems to have bypassed those growing pains and jumped right into kicking ass & getting the most out of his players. That's why I find it hard to believe someone is being critical when it comes to how much time he plays certain players...as if DeCuire doesn't know the limits and capabilities of his own players.

To be honest the only reason I jumped back into this fray was because all of the crowing that was going on after the SUU game where we got some players extra minutes due to it being a blowout. The NAU game was a lot closer (with NAU seeming to hang around within striking distance all game) and as expected we went back to the normal 8 man rotation that DeCuire is comfortable with using to make sure we get the ever important W

Hopefully in this upcoming game against the Cats we'll have a comfortable enough lead in the 2nd half that we can see plenty of Bradshaw, DeJong and Boehning & get them some more minutes before we go on the road to face a much improved ISU team and as always a very talented Weber team.

I hope the GRIZ play well enough every game to accommodate developmental minutes for those players. That is the team reward for great play. It also helps the progress for next year's team. :thumb:

Funny part is, we all agree on the importance of developing bench depth and I feel we all want the same outcome. I really don't understand why or how this has been blown out of proportion?

Part of the reason the discussion continued and heated up is that posters like Everett and maybe Potomac apparently didn't agree with your view and mine on the importance of developmental minutes. Everett was advocating sticking only with the smaller late-season rotation.

 

[PlayerRep]

As I said, you don't know DeCuire and provide little or no support for the program. Just a blabber on the internet. Feel free to remind me where I said, in any serious way, I was giving advice to DeCuire.

You asked:

Potomac, shall we have a bet on whether Travis listens to you more than me?

That implies that you think DeCuire listens to you.

So...do you think he does? Or do you think he doesn't? Simple question.

No, it doesn't imply anything. The question was whether he listens to you. You haven't answered that question. Does he listen to you?

But, ya, I know him a bit. Looks like you don't. Yes, he listens to me when I talk to him. I support the basketball team financially. Do you? I go to some of the fundraising events. Do you? I've talked to him about basketball and the team and even the refs. Have you? His uncle had dinner with my wife and me after the EWU loss last year. Travis' godfather is the brother of a couple of my friends (twins) whom I played football with and have been friends with since then. Let's hear about all your connections.

Figured you'd dodge it and then go off on all your great connections or some random irrelevant bullshit. Do you even realize how similar to Growler you sound over the past year and a half or so? It's kind of eerie...

As for your question, no of course he doesn't listen to me when it comes to how to run his team. Why would he? He's the coach. I'm not. You aren't either btw...just in case you didn't realize that. He knows his team, his players, their capabilities and whether or not they get "tired" after a certain number of minutes. I wouldn't expect him to listen to me nor would I have the audacity to try to give him advice or get him to listen to me about that.

Your request for a bet was on whether DeCuire listens to me more than you. You know damn well what that implies and what it implies is hilariously absurd! I guarantee you neither of our opinions on how he runs his team mean anything to him. And they shouldn't!

Also, just for the record I care about as much about your connections and trying to buy your way into a coach's ear through donations as those coaches probably care about your opinion on how they run their teams. Just thought I'd toss that out there

One last thing. There are likely a lot of posters here who support Grizzly athletics financially and are well connected to athletes, coaches and the athletic department in various ways... ever wonder why you're the only one that seems to blab about it constantly like it makes your opinion worth more? Think about that for a bit....

Potomac, you need to learn how to read, and to learn the meaning of imply. I don't blab about being "connected" to anyone in UM athletics. However, I have known coaches, players, former players and big boosters for years, and I will guarantee that they know a hell of alot more about UM athletics than most people on this board do, and when I hear some of what they said, I know that I have good information. Back to the reading and implying thing, no where have I said I have passed along my opinions or views on players or anything related to the team, to any coaches. Feel free to quote anything that you believe confirms any of the BS you have been posting lately. You just keep making up and misinterpreting stuff. When you look at my posts, look at my words carefully. They are usually chosen purposely and carefully.

 

[GrizLA]

You asked:



That implies that you think DeCuire listens to you.

So...do you think he does? Or do you think he doesn't? Simple question.

No, it doesn't imply anything. The question was whether he listens to you. You haven't answered that question. Does he listen to you?

But, ya, I know him a bit. Looks like you don't. Yes, he listens to me when I talk to him. I support the basketball team financially. Do you? I go to some of the fundraising events. Do you? I've talked to him about basketball and the team and even the refs. Have you? His uncle had dinner with my wife and me after the EWU loss last year. Travis' godfather is the brother of a couple of my friends (twins) whom I played football with and have been friends with since then. Let's hear about all your connections.

Figured you'd dodge it and then go off on all your great connections or some random irrelevant bullshit. Do you even realize how similar to Growler you sound over the past year and a half or so? It's kind of eerie...

As for your question, no of course he doesn't listen to me when it comes to how to run his team. Why would he? He's the coach. I'm not. You aren't either btw...just in case you didn't realize that. He knows his team, his players, their capabilities and whether or not they get "tired" after a certain number of minutes. I wouldn't expect him to listen to me nor would I have the audacity to try to give him advice or get him to listen to me about that.

Your request for a bet was on whether DeCuire listens to me more than you. You know damn well what that implies and what it implies is hilariously absurd! I guarantee you neither of our opinions on how he runs his team mean anything to him. And they shouldn't!

Also, just for the record I care about as much about your connections and trying to buy your way into a coach's ear through donations as those coaches probably care about your opinion on how they run their teams. Just thought I'd toss that out there

One last thing. There are likely a lot of posters here who support Grizzly athletics financially and are well connected to athletes, coaches and the athletic department in various ways... ever wonder why you're the only one that seems to blab about it constantly like it makes your opinion worth more? Think about that for a bit....

Potomac, you need to learn how to read, and to learn the meaning of imply. I don't blab about being "connected" to anyone in UM athletics. However, I have known coaches, players, former players and big boosters for years, and I will guarantee that they know a hell of alot more about UM athletics than most people on this board do, and when I hear some of what they said, I know that I have good information. Back to the reading and implying thing, no where have I said I have passed along my opinions or views on players or anything related to the team, to any coaches. Feel free to quote anything that you believe confirms any of the BS you have been posting lately. You just keep making up and misinterpreting stuff. When you look at my posts, look at my words carefully. They are usually chosen purposely and carefully.

What the hell is wrong with you? Basta! Genug! Enough!

 

[EverettGriz]

I would really doubt a DIV 1 coach's credibility in any sport if they actually took advise from fans, regarding strategy and personnel. Beyond promotional or fan support suggestions, or a coach asking something like "what did you think of....(whatever it might be)", DIV 1 coaches are not going to take advise from fans.

Totally agree. Show me a coach who takes advice from donors (no matter how much they give) and/or fans and I'll show ya a coach who is likely going to be looking for a new job soon

Overall, I feel Travis has done a near perfect job of minute allocation this season. He and his staff have an excellent read on their personnel.

Again, I totally agree. That's what I've been trying to push with this thread and in another thread. DeCuire knows what he's doing out there & what he's doing when it comes to playing certain players a 30+ minutes is VERY common.

Look at how he exceeded expectations (in a big way) last year even being down one scholarship. He took a Griz team that was picked to finish either 5th or 7th if I remember right (depending on the poll) and won the regular season title with them. That's damn impressive and a good indication that he knows what he's doing.

We ended up losing in a close game to a VERY talented EWU team that had a legit NBA prospect (Harvey) and several other players who will end up playing professionally somewhere.

This year we're sitting in the #1 spot even after having played the majority of our conference games on the road, having our normal starting PG injured for half the year & having him a bit rusty offensively when he came back. Again, damn impressive!

FWIW, as much as I liked Tinkle as a coach, recruiter and person he had some "growing pains" when he made the jump to HC initially. DeCuire seems to have bypassed those growing pains and jumped right into kicking ass & getting the most out of his players. That's why I find it hard to believe someone is being critical when it comes to how much time he plays certain players...as if DeCuire doesn't know the limits and capabilities of his own players.

To be honest the only reason I jumped back into this fray was because all of the crowing that was going on after the SUU game where we got some players extra minutes due to it being a blowout. The NAU game was a lot closer (with NAU seeming to hang around within striking distance all game) and as expected we went back to the normal 8 man rotation that DeCuire is comfortable with using to make sure we get the ever important W

Hopefully in this upcoming game against the Cats we'll have a comfortable enough lead in the 2nd half that we can see plenty of Bradshaw, DeJong and Boehning & get them some more minutes before we go on the road to face a much improved ISU team and as always a very talented Weber team.

I hope the GRIZ play well enough every game to accommodate developmental minutes for those players. That is the team reward for great play. It also helps the progress for next year's team. :thumb:

Funny part is, we all agree on the importance of developing bench depth and I feel we all want the same outcome. I really don't understand why or how this has been blown out of proportion?

Part of the reason the discussion continued and heated up is that posters like Everett and maybe Potomac apparently didn't agree with your view and mine on the importance of developmental minutes. Everett was advocating sticking only with the smaller late-season rotation.

Liar.


Seek a qualified mental health care provider immediately.

 

[GrizLA]

Totally agree. Show me a coach who takes advice from donors (no matter how much they give) and/or fans and I'll show ya a coach who is likely going to be looking for a new job soon



Again, I totally agree. That's what I've been trying to push with this thread and in another thread. DeCuire knows what he's doing out there & what he's doing when it comes to playing certain players a 30+ minutes is VERY common.

Look at how he exceeded expectations (in a big way) last year even being down one scholarship. He took a Griz team that was picked to finish either 5th or 7th if I remember right (depending on the poll) and won the regular season title with them. That's damn impressive and a good indication that he knows what he's doing.

We ended up losing in a close game to a VERY talented EWU team that had a legit NBA prospect (Harvey) and several other players who will end up playing professionally somewhere.

This year we're sitting in the #1 spot even after having played the majority of our conference games on the road, having our normal starting PG injured for half the year & having him a bit rusty offensively when he came back. Again, damn impressive!

FWIW, as much as I liked Tinkle as a coach, recruiter and person he had some "growing pains" when he made the jump to HC initially. DeCuire seems to have bypassed those growing pains and jumped right into kicking ass & getting the most out of his players. That's why I find it hard to believe someone is being critical when it comes to how much time he plays certain players...as if DeCuire doesn't know the limits and capabilities of his own players.

To be honest the only reason I jumped back into this fray was because all of the crowing that was going on after the SUU game where we got some players extra minutes due to it being a blowout. The NAU game was a lot closer (with NAU seeming to hang around within striking distance all game) and as expected we went back to the normal 8 man rotation that DeCuire is comfortable with using to make sure we get the ever important W

Hopefully in this upcoming game against the Cats we'll have a comfortable enough lead in the 2nd half that we can see plenty of Bradshaw, DeJong and Boehning & get them some more minutes before we go on the road to face a much improved ISU team and as always a very talented Weber team.

I hope the GRIZ play well enough every game to accommodate developmental minutes for those players. That is the team reward for great play. It also helps the progress for next year's team. :thumb:

Funny part is, we all agree on the importance of developing bench depth and I feel we all want the same outcome. I really don't understand why or how this has been blown out of proportion?

Part of the reason the discussion continued and heated up is that posters like Everett and maybe Potomac apparently didn't agree with your view and mine on the importance of developmental minutes. Everett was advocating sticking only with the smaller late-season rotation.

Liar.


Seek a qualified mental health care provider immediately.

You might look into that, yourself.