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[PlayerRep]

I was impressed with #43 Bradley on the DL. Way undersized but thought I heard he was in on 14 tackles on Saturday night. Pretty impressive given he played so much more than expected due to Peevey and Kidder
injuries.

Less so with Henderson. Was it me or did he drop more than you'd ever expect the other night? His fumble was reviewed and stood and was costly at the time early in the game.

Courtesy of this blog: http://www.grizfannews.com/upon-further-review-a-look-back-at-the-cal-poly-game/?ref=egriz

On Ellis's "fumble"

Watch these quick vine videos:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Bwahlberg/status/641348790494953473[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Bwahlberg/status/641348852000296960[/tweet]

I think you guys are wron on this one, remember that the call on the field was a fumble, so they needed indisputable evidence to overturn it. it you look at this view
https://vine.co/v/etehzw1t2VD

just before the knee touches the ball moves, maybe he was tucking it or maybe it was loose but either way it is not indisputable that he had control at teh moment the knee touched.

Don't think you are seeing this right. It isn't the ball moving. It is the defender pulling Henderson's left hand to the left and off the ball, and Henderson's body turning slightly to the left. Henderson has both hands on the ball as he is being tackled. In two of the videos, side and front, in the link to the blog (which on my computer is better than the ones linked above), Henderson ends up with the ball in his RIGHT hand and both knees are down before the ball is even remotely close to moving or being lost. Look at where the ball is in this videos. Don't be fooled by the allusion.

Raider and Box, you should look closely too.

 

[Htowngriz]

Only on eGriz can you have the best receiving corp in the nation and still have a big argument about it...you gotta love it.

Uh..... No.

No what, we don't have a great receiving corp? Who's better top to bottom?

I'll wait.

Just in the Big Sky EWU based on what I've seen from both teams so far. Yes Kupp overshadowed the rest on Saturday, but their other receivers are damn good too unfortunately. Despite what Alpha and others have said, Kupp is better than EH and JJ, and they are both damn good IMO.

Kupp is in his own league, but top to bottom like jodcon asked, I'll take our guys. We'll see.

 

[Raider]

Cooper Kupp, Kendrick Bourne and Shaq Hill is the best receiving trio in the conference, and it isn't even close.

 

[Htowngriz]

Okay, I guess we'll have to find something else to talk about then. How's the weather in Lynchburg looking?

 

[Raider]

Don't know/care.

I don't obsess over the weather, but you can bet that by this time next week there will be multiple ignoramus threads about humidity, etc.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

Some of you need to read this. Believe it or not there is a reason that slot receivers are not as tall, generally speaking, as outside receivers. Here's a small excerpt "Cobb, of course, is a multi-threat, but at 5'10", he is the prototypical slot receiver who is smart, small and quick". http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014/7/9/5863302/football-101-utilizing-the-the-slot-receiver

:thumb:

It's a freakin' blog, dude. His opinion is about as valid as yours. But if it impresses you, fine. His ridiculous comment that short players, having short legs, are quicker than taller receivers is such B.S. Quickness has nothing to do with height. Roberts is quick enough to play any WR position on this offense.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Some of you need to read this. Believe it or not there is a reason that slot receivers are not as tall, generally speaking, as outside receivers. Here's a small excerpt "Cobb, of course, is a multi-threat, but at 5'10", he is the prototypical slot receiver who is smart, small and quick". http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014/7/9/5863302/football-101-utilizing-the-the-slot-receiver

:thumb:

It's a freakin' blog, dude. His opinion is about as valid as yours. But if it impresses you, fine. His ridiculous comment that short players, having short legs, are quicker than taller receivers is such B.S. Quickness has nothing to do with height. Roberts is quick enough to play any WR position on this offense.

I was thinking the same thing about quickness and speed.

Hussain Bolt is 6'5". Asafa Powell- 6'3". Donovan Bailey- 6'1". Justin Gatlin- 6'1", Carl Lewis- 6'2", LeRoy Burrell-6'0". These are 5 of the Top 10 fastest 100 meter runs in history. Basically 50% of top 10 times in track history are men 6 foot or taller. Plus short quick guys necessarily don't always have break away speed. See the Nguyens.

As for Roberts, he is no doubt 1 of the top 4 WR talents on this team. In my opinion, the only 2 guys ahead of him are Jones and Henderson. He definitely has proven early his propensity for big plays and being someone that has to be accounted for. Stitt preaches about creating match up problems with his personnel. I feel with Henderson, Jones, and Roberts playing together creates the most WR matchup problems for opposing defenses. Any of of these 3 are able to run the same patterns as Nacarrato, etc.

Regardless of rotation and personnel, I feel Henderson, Jones, and Roberts need to be our top 3 receiving options as often as possible. :thumb:

 

[BWahlberg]

Some of you need to read this. Believe it or not there is a reason that slot receivers are not as tall, generally speaking, as outside receivers. Here's a small excerpt "Cobb, of course, is a multi-threat, but at 5'10", he is the prototypical slot receiver who is smart, small and quick". http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014/7/9/5863302/football-101-utilizing-the-the-slot-receiver

:thumb:

It's a freakin' blog, dude. His opinion is about as valid as yours. But if it impresses you, fine. His ridiculous comment that short players, having short legs, are quicker than taller receivers is such B.S. Quickness has nothing to do with height. Roberts is quick enough to play any WR position on this offense.

I was thinking the same thing about quickness and speed.

Hussain Bolt is 6'5". Asafa Powell- 6'3". Donovan Bailey- 6'1". Justin Gatlin- 6'1", Carl Lewis- 6'2", LeRoy Burrell-6'0". These are 5 of the Top 10 fastest 100 meter runs in history. Basically 50% of top 10 times in track history are men 6 foot or taller. Plus short quick guys necessarily don't always have break away speed. See the Nguyens.

As for Roberts, he is no doubt 1 of the top 4 WR talents on this team. In my opinion, the only 2 guys ahead of him are Jones and Henderson. He definitely has proven early his propensity for big plays and being someone that has to be accounted for. Stitt preaches about creating match up problems with his personnel. I feel with Henderson, Jones, and Roberts playing together creates the most WR matchup problems for opposing defenses. Any of of these 3 are able to run the same patterns as Nacarrato, etc.

Regardless of rotation and personnel, I feel Henderson, Jones, and Roberts need to be our top 3 receiving options as often as possible. :thumb:

Those guys are specifically trained to sprint in a straight line (for the most part) and not with pads on and carrying a football. Otherwise they'd be playing in the NFL.

I think Roberts may be one of our top 4 for sure but we're basing it on 1 tremendous catch... that's it.

A few years back Sean Haynes was praised as one of the very best athletes on the team. He had his unfortunate bouts of constant injury and finally got some time as a senior... didn't do too much but did get on the field a lot. There's a lot more than just being "the best athlete" to being a starting WR.

I agree I'd like to see more of Roberts out there. Maybe split him wide and put Ellis in the slot a little more? Stitt plays the game of matchups though and he'll put out the WR that best fits the matchup. Be that Naccarato, Horner, Burke, Carlson, or Lyons in the middle. And then there's Jannsen and Lucas who we've not even seen out there yet...

Side note on the small slot/screen guys - Lyons one catch and run was very impressive. I'd like to see more chances for him.

 

[grizeyes]

It's a freakin' blog, dude. His opinion is about as valid as yours. But if it impresses you, fine. His ridiculous comment that short players, having short legs, are quicker than taller receivers is such B.S. Quickness has nothing to do with height. Roberts is quick enough to play any WR position on this offense.[/quote]


I was thinking the same thing about quickness and speed.

Hussain Bolt is 6'5". Asafa Powell- 6'3". Donovan Bailey- 6'1". Justin Gatlin- 6'1", Carl Lewis- 6'2", LeRoy Burrell-6'0". These are 5 of the Top 10 fastest 100 meter runs in history. Basically 50% of top 10 times in track history are men 6 foot or taller. Plus short quick guys necessarily don't always have break away speed. See the Nguyens.

As for Roberts, he is no doubt 1 of the top 4 WR talents on this team. In my opinion, the only 2 guys ahead of him are Jones and Henderson. He definitely has proven early his propensity for big plays and being someone that has to be accounted for. Stitt preaches about creating match up problems with his personnel. I feel with Henderson, Jones, and Roberts playing together creates the most WR matchup problems for opposing defenses. Any of of these 3 are able to run the same patterns as Nacarrato, etc.

Regardless of rotation and personnel, I feel Henderson, Jones, and Roberts need to be our top 3 receiving options as often as possible. :thumb:[/quote]

Those guys are specifically trained to sprint in a straight line (for the most part) and not with pads on and carrying a football. Otherwise they'd be playing in the NFL.

I think Roberts may be one of our top 4 for sure but we're basing it on 1 tremendous catch... that's it.

A few years back Sean Haynes was praised as one of the very best athletes on the team. He had his unfortunate bouts of constant injury and finally got some time as a senior... didn't do too much but did get on the field a lot. There's a lot more than just being "the best athlete" to being a starting WR.

I agree I'd like to see more of Roberts out there. Maybe split him wide and put Ellis in the slot a little more? Stitt plays the game of matchups though and he'll put out the WR that best fits the matchup. Be that Naccarato, Horner, Burke, Carlson, or Lyons in the middle. And then there's Jannsen and Lucas who we've not even seen out there yet...

Side note on the small slot/screen guys - Lyons one catch and run was very impressive. I'd like to see more chances for him.[/quote]

Lyons catch and run was impressive - he did not go down easy and fought for yards. And what is up with Jannsen? Is he injured?

 

[mtgrizrule]

As for Robert's talent and athleticism, it is a matter of opinion. In my opinion, during fall camp and so far this season, he has done as much as any WR with the opportunities he has come his way. That is really hard to dispute. Speaking of opportunities, EWU's offensive staff, year in and year out always find ways to get the ball in the hands of their best WR's. Every damn year, they have 1 of the top offenses in the nation. It does not matter who they lose. In the rare occasions when they have an elite FCS running back, they adjust their strategy to that player (Taiwan Jones). This is the 3rd year of Cooper Kupp, look what he just did against BCS elite, OREGON!!! EWU is so damn efficient offensively every year because they make sure their best talent sees the ball as often as possible. I do feel Jones and Henderson are very close to Kupp in talent. The difference is, during Kupp's career, his coaching staff has committed to getting him the ball, much more than GRIZ coaching staffs have committed to Jones and/or Henderson. Jones, Henderson, and Kupp are all damn fine play makers.. They have proven their skills and results. Force defenses to take those play makers away, and if a defense does that successfully, then rely on the Nacarato's of the world.

I really do hope we see more opportunities for our play makers against Liberty.

(Note to Chris. Please change the quote function to allow more than 4 quotes in a post)

 

[grizeyes]

I messed up my comments about Lyons - saw the 4 quotes error and screwed something up.

Anyway, Lyons one catch and run was impressive. Hope we see more of him; and Jannsen?

 

[BWahlberg]

and Jannsen?

The $1,000,000 question....

 

[PlayerRep]

Roberts has 2 catches this year, according to the official stats. While I like him too, and saw him in multiple practices, it seems a bit early to declare him one of the top 3 or 4 receivers. I like both of the tall slot receivers too. As for quickness, I believe there is a significantly higher percentage of shorter athletes who are quick than there are taller athletes who are quick. Also, speed to some extent. Of course, that doesn't mean that some/many taller athletes aren't quick and fast.

 

[grizindabox]

and Jannsen?

The $1,000,000 question....

Stitt House....

 

[WaGriz4life]

Cooper Kupp, Kendrick Bourne and Shaq Hill is the best receiving trio in the conference, and it isn't even close.

Agreed

 

[jodcon]

Only on eGriz can you have the best receiving corp in the nation and still have a big argument about it...you gotta love it.

Uh..... No.

No what, we don't have a great receiving corp? Who's better top to bottom?

I'll wait.

Just in the Big Sky EWU based on what I've seen from both teams so far. Yes Kupp overshadowed the rest on Saturday, but their other receivers are damn good too unfortunately. Despite what Alpha and others have said, Kupp is better than EH and JJ, and they are both damn good IMO.

Kupp is on his own level, but I'm pretty comfortable comparing our top 5 against anybody, especially considering Gus is too tall.

Seriously I thought the Cheney 17 would jump all over this, kinda disappointed in their effort. Their guys are a talented bunch too.

 

[Griz Man]

by grizindabox » Wed Sep 09, 2015 11:48 am

grizeyes wrote:
and Jannsen?

Stitt House....

:lol:

But is it true?

 

[AZGrizFan]

No what, we don't have a great receiving corp? Who's better top to bottom?

I'll wait.

Just in the Big Sky EWU based on what I've seen from both teams so far. Yes Kupp overshadowed the rest on Saturday, but their other receivers are damn good too unfortunately. Despite what Alpha and others have said, Kupp is better than EH and JJ, and they are both damn good IMO.

Agreed

I don't agree. Kupp has been in better offenses with better QB's. Put EH or JJ on the Eagles over the past couple years I think they put up numbers as good as Kupp.

 

[RobGriz]

Some of you need to read this. Believe it or not there is a reason that slot receivers are not as tall, generally speaking, as outside receivers. Here's a small excerpt "Cobb, of course, is a multi-threat, but at 5'10", he is the prototypical slot receiver who is smart, small and quick". http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014/7/9/5863302/football-101-utilizing-the-the-slot-receiver

:thumb:

It's a freakin' blog, dude. His opinion is about as valid as yours. But if it impresses you, fine. His ridiculous comment that short players, having short legs, are quicker than taller receivers is such B.S. Quickness has nothing to do with height. Roberts is quick enough to play any WR position on this offense.

Everyone knows your stupid Dill, but your cunt-in-you-s need point it out is mind boggling. I mean what kind of complete moron doesn't know the difference between quick and fast? No need to answer pickle boy, everyone here knows you're the moron I'm talking about.

 

[Buttegrizzle]

Hey what's up with Logwood? I guess I read somewhere he was injured but is he coming back this year? Of course we have no stats for him yet but I still think he will produce some big yards.