Pick the record- if the Griz were in the WAC

[Bronco85]

Max Plank, the physicist who created Quantum Mechanics, said that changes in scientific paradigms occurred less as a function of an empirical refutation of the old theory or proof of a new theory, but rather because the persons who held the old theory (and the status and power in science) grow old and die off. Watching the inexorable crawl towards FBS football (and the debates on this board) by UM appears to confirm this. It seems to this outsider that UM fans at some point might tire of having such a budgetary, facilities, and attendance advantage over their conference mates and moving up would only seem fair. It is athletics and anything can and does happen, but UM, with its overwhelming advantages, should be ashamed of losing a conference match up in any sport in the BSC. Good lord, have you seen the UNC athletic budget? UM will move it programs up or they will stay in the BSC with a maxed out income until some combination of MSU, ISU, WSU, PSU, or NAU catch up with them in the lifeblood factors of a competitive athletic program (budgets, facilities, attendance, and salaries). When that happens (and it isn't imminent) the question will be, what is the impact on attendance and budgets when UM goes 5-7 or 4-8 in the BSC where nobody other than UM has any traveling fans?

 

[mtgrizrule]

Max Plank, the physicist who created Quantum Mechanics, said that changes in scientific paradigms occurred less as a function of an empirical refutation of the old theory or proof of a new theory, but rather because the persons who held the old theory (and the status and power in science) grow old and die off. Watching the inexorable crawl towards FBS football (and the debates on this board) by UM appears to confirm this. It seems to this outsider that UM fans at some point might tire of having such a budgetary, facilities, and attendance advantage over their conference mates and moving up would only seem fair. It is athletics and anything can and does happen, but UM, with its overwhelming advantages, should be ashamed of losing a conference match up in any sport in the BSC. Good lord, have you seen the UNC athletic budget? UM will move it programs up or they will stay in the BSC with a maxed out income until some combination of MSU, ISU, WSU, PSU, or NAU catch up with them in the lifeblood factors of a competitive athletic program (budgets, facilities, attendance, and salaries). When that happens (and it isn't imminent) the question will be, what is the impact on attendance and budgets when UM goes 5-7 or 4-8 in the BSC where nobody other than UM has any traveling fans?

Bronco85, you hit the nail on the head. At some point in time the GRIZ will come down to earth rather it be in the WAC or BSC. It may take longer in the sucky BSC, but no program wins forever at any level. I would much rather have those tougher times be part of a better conference in all sports than an inferior conference. At least in a better conference it would be more easily understood, and way less embarassing.

WAC or MWC all the WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[grizaremoregooder]

grizaremoregooder.....now I've got news for you....in sports, playing someone close doesn't count...not until you beat them. Got it?

You bet-but when Weber schedules Utah they are not expecting to win. Playing a good team tough in this instance is a victory (especialy if you come out of the game with no injuries).

 

[grizaremoregooder]

Moregooder, if you ever want to see Wyoming or Washington State play in Washington-Grizzly Stadium you will need to be FBS. Wouldn't it be nice to see those types of teams at your stadium for once, rather than playing them on the road only?

I agree with you totally-we will never see Wyoming or Washington State in Missoula until the Griz play in the FBS. Moving to the WAC would make for a great regular season schedule, and we would get these types of games by moving up. However, we would never see another playoff game in Missoula (which I absolutely love) and we would never watch the Grizzlies play in a National Championship game again. This is a trade off I would be unwilling to make-I would rather watch us in the playoffs and in title games than in the Arm and Hammer bowl. But you are right-it would be very cool to get these types of games-too bad we can't have both.

 

[Silvertip]

BTW, the Griz will NEVER move up. Too many pussies running the show.

There is a pervading opinion that the Griz will never move up because of Main Hall, the Regents et al, but I believe come 2011 when the NCAA announces a reordering of D-1 football that the aforementioned foot draggers won't have a say in the matter. Any Chrome Dome in Indianapolis has only to look at attendance and revenue numbers for the top 15 or so FCS teams as compared to the rest of the 117 or so to see a disparity that blows the mind of any rational person. UM plays in the same classification with numerous non-scholarship schools that attract less than 1,500 fans in home attendance. That is totally goofy and I'm thinking that the NCAA will act on that by placing the top tier of FCS teams in with comparable schools in the bottom half of the FBS. And that means WAC or perhaps a new conference of those teams in a new regional alliance. FCS, as we know it, is on life support. FCS RIP.

 

[Spanky]

Silvertip....I hope that you are correct and by then, maybe Dennison will be retired so we won't have to contend with his control of UM athletics.

 

[ronbo]

Texas State, Lamar, UTSA, and SHSU are talking about forming a new FBS Conference in the future. Those are the schools that have the ambitions and aspirations to play at a higher level. University of Texas Arlington is talking about getting a football team again and would be interested in FBS, so this Conference would interest them. Also North Texas, Arkansas State, Louisiana Tech. and Louisiana Lafayette might be interested in a Conference with a smaller geographic footprint. The Sun Belt is spread out like the Big Sky.

 

[Montanan]

just a little mood and theme music...

mov'in on up theme

 

[Hammer]

Texas State, Lamar, UTSA, and SHSU are talking about forming a new FBS Conference in the future. Those are the schools that have the ambitions and aspirations to play at a higher level. University of Texas Arlington is talking about getting a football team again and would be interested in FBS, so this Conference would interest them. Also North Texas, Arkansas State, Louisiana Tech. and Louisiana Lafayette might be interested in a Conference with a smaller geographic footprint. The Sun Belt is spread out like the Big Sky.

Ronbo, until the moratorium expires nobody can do anything. Nobody knows what the NCAA is going to do when that happens so all of your rumor talk is useless lip flapping. Throw a sirloin on the grill, open up a schmidt beer and chill out and we can look at things after we know how it's all gonna shake out in a couple years.

 

[Paytonlives]

Texas State, Lamar, UTSA, and SHSU are talking about forming a new FBS Conference in the future. Those are the schools that have the ambitions and aspirations to play at a higher level. University of Texas Arlington is talking about getting a football team again and would be interested in FBS, so this Conference would interest them. Also North Texas, Arkansas State, Louisiana Tech. and Louisiana Lafayette might be interested in a Conference with a smaller geographic footprint. The Sun Belt is spread out like the Big Sky.

Ronbo, until the moratorium expires nobody can do anything. Nobody knows what the NCAA is going to do when that happens so all of your rumor talk is useless lip flapping. Throw a sirloin on the grill, open up a schmidt beer and chill out and we can look at things after we know how it's all gonna shake out in a couple years.

I've said this for a few years, but I know its coming. There will be a "Super" Conference with the top 60 or so teams, leaving the likes of Idaho, WSU, Utah State, Wyoming (ect), on the outside looking in. The UM's, Youngstowns, Gorgia Sotherns will be added to what is left over. If you want to call it Division 1 and Division 2, so be it. But make no mistake the big boys are going to pull away from the lower conferences.

 

[Paytonlives]

Here are your 64 Teams. There might be some of these teams droped and a few others added, but here is your super conference.

DIVISION 1
The Big 12 (12 Teams)
The PAC 10 (10 Teams)
The Big 10 (11 Teams, go figure)
Southeast (12 Teams)
Big East (8 Teams)
ACC (12 Teams)
Also Notre Dame & Boise (BYU might be in the mix)


LEFT OUT IN THE RAIN 52 Teams
Conference USA (12)
Mid-American (13)
Mountain West (9)
Sun Belt (9)
WAC (8 or 9)

 

[NavyBlue]

Every so often, on this board someone mentions the "super 60-70" that is going to pull away from the rest of FBS college football. It has been "just around the corner" ever since I have been on egriz. It is not going to happen. The big boys need the little guys so they can have 7 or 8 home games a year.

Plus it already looks like Congress might be getting involved in with the BCS as it is now, there is no way something like this super 60 scenario is going to happen in light of the current going ons. I do think Hammer is probably on to something in regards to the end of the current moratorium. What that will mean is anybodies guess, but the big money conferences will tread lightly with Congress looking over thier shoulders.

I will also make a prediction, with Congress getting involved and President Obama wanting a playoff if anything I think FBS college football is going to be more equitable and not less. I think a plaffoff will happen, the President of the United States wants it. That will be a huge money generator that will make "March Madness" look like peanuts. The money will be spread more evenly and the Griz will be leaving alot of money on the table by remaing in FCS and the Big Sky, and that will make the Griz move to the WAC and the higher division, whatever it will be called then.

 

[ronbo]

Texas State, Lamar, UTSA, and SHSU are talking about forming a new FBS Conference in the future. Those are the schools that have the ambitions and aspirations to play at a higher level. University of Texas Arlington is talking about getting a football team again and would be interested in FBS, so this Conference would interest them. Also North Texas, Arkansas State, Louisiana Tech. and Louisiana Lafayette might be interested in a Conference with a smaller geographic footprint. The Sun Belt is spread out like the Big Sky.

Ronbo, until the moratorium expires nobody can do anything. Nobody knows what the NCAA is going to do when that happens so all of your rumor talk is useless lip flapping. Throw a sirloin on the grill, open up a schmidt beer and chill out and we can look at things after we know how it's all gonna shake out in a couple years.

Can't do that sirloin thing Hammer. I made the decision a few months ago to eliminate red meat from my diet. I do however eat salmon, shrimp, mussels, tuna, and boneless chicken breast. I will happily throw a shrimp on the barby for ya and toast the Griz with a Samuel Adams Porter.

 

[billings_poke]

The super 64 is long dead. It was looked at years ago and found to be economically unwise by the large schools. It isn't going to happen. DOA. They would have to leave the NCAA for that to happen and they won't do that and risk their tax exempt status and possible inclusion in the BB tournament. It has not been seriously talked about in years other than on this board LOL.

Now there will be changes and who knows what those will be. I do expect it to be a lot tougher to move up and that the FBS will end up dropping a few schools, just like I think the FCS should drop quite a few schools as well. There is a realignment coming but not the super 64.

Personally I suspect you will need a significant AD budget, who knows exactly what, along with a minimum number of sports to stay in FBS. Those numbers will eliminate most teams that want to move up and will drop a few down. I think FBS numbers will settle somewhere around the 100 - 110 mark. For the griz to move up you will probably have to add some sports and increase the budget to make the cut

 

[NavyBlue]

I don't think anyone is going to be forced out of FBS, despite past threats it has never happened. But I do think it may be tougher to move up in the future. There should also be another division for the non-scholarship FCS programs.

 

[Hammer]

Ronbo, until the moratorium expires nobody can do anything. Nobody knows what the NCAA is going to do when that happens so all of your rumor talk is useless lip flapping. Throw a sirloin on the grill, open up a schmidt beer and chill out and we can look at things after we know how it's all gonna shake out in a couple years.

Can't do that sirloin thing Hammer. I made the decision a few months ago to eliminate red meat from my diet. I do however eat salmon, shrimp, mussels, tuna, and boneless chicken breast. I will happily throw a shrimp on the barby for ya and toast the Griz with a Samuel Adams Porter.

Sorry, I don't eat decapods and will pass on the yard bird also!

Give me a bloody porterhouse anyday!!!!

 

[Bronco85]

I don't think anyone is going to be forced out of FBS, despite past threats it has never happened. But I do think it may be tougher to move up in the future. There should also be another division for the non-scholarship FCS programs.

You appear correct on this one. When the 17,000 hard count attendance or 30,000 seat stadium requirements were lowered to 15,000 in paid (not actual) attendance, it assured that any school that wants to be D1A (FBS) can be. Only the moratorium has slowed the exodus away from D1AA (FCS). The move from D2 to D1AA has been even more profound. There are barely any D2 teams left in the west.

 

[G&B]

7-3 ,

 

[kingpotato]

I think 6-3 or 5-4 in conference is pretty realistic.

Hawaii - Win, Hawaii loses a ton this year, has a horrible O-Line and is awful on the road
Fresno - Toss up/win lean. Fresno is better than Montana, but a road game in Missoula is exactly the type of game Fresno tends to lose.
@ La Tech - Loss, some here aren't giving LTU it's due. They are going to be very good this year and Ruston is a loooong ways away. Boise State has never blown out LTU in Ruston.
Idaho - Win, Idaho is terrible.
USU - Win, Utah State is improving but I don't see them going into Montana and coming away with a win.
@ UNR - Loss, Nevada is fringe top-25 team this year. I actually think they would blow out Montana in Reno.
@ SJSU - Toss up/loss lean, This is a winnable game but the Spartans have some good athletes especially on D. It'd be tough but doable for the Griz.
Boise State - Loss, they almost never lose when they are favored.
@ NMSU - Win, See Idaho.

 

[lakesbison]

1st post!

NDSU and Montana should both be in the WAC.

that would make for good travel partners, dont you agree?

granted, ndsu had a sub-par season last year (even if they had 8 players sign or get invites to NFL).