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Petition for Gov to look into RE

EverettGriz said:
NativeGriz said:
I don't know if true, but I heard RE and most of RE's administration are LDS, which if true might come under title 7 as a violation. It is obvious that regardless of religion, they have failed and the entire group should be kicked out. Plus some of the faculty cuts included people that had brought in research grant money that was in excess of their income. Why would you cut someone like that? Plain and simple, RE needs to go.


Engstrom is not LDS. Kent is, but I believe he's the only one on the cabinet who is, although I cannot say for certain.
I heard Kent, two of his VPs and his registrar were also, but if RE isn't, it would not be a title 7 concern. Again regardless of religion etc. they have failed. Note what LTCF said. Have you ever listened to RE speak. He is horrible. I have no clue how he was even 3rd place on the BOR list when he interviewed. So sad the first two choices turned down the opportunity.
 
It baffles me that politics and religion seem to get dragged into just about every controversial conversation. Can't someone simply be incompetent, full stop? I believe RE proves that they can. Leave it at that.
 
LongTimeCatFan said:
NativeGriz said:
LongTimeCatFan said:
Why are you guys so hard on Royce? He's doing the best he can with Dance and Flair. You should keep him for another 10 years.
Yeah right and you should have kept Ash. By the way, I realize you were joking.

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His performance measurables indicate a complete failure. Seriously, stop the bleeding. The marketing director needs to get canned too. They look like they're not even trying to recruit enrollment compared to MSU's recruiting. The results speak for themselves.

What marketing people are you referring to? Oh yeah, just joking - I get it.
 
Grisly Fan said:
It baffles me that politics and religion seem to get dragged into just about every controversial conversation. Can't someone simply be incompetent, full stop? I believe RE proves that they can. Leave it at that.
Agreed, but if he were hiring mostly people from his family, club or church etc., then that would be a huge concern especially when you consider the failure. If what Everett said is true, that is not a concern, so we cam drop the religion thing.
 
NativeGriz said:
Grisly Fan said:
It baffles me that politics and religion seem to get dragged into just about every controversial conversation. Can't someone simply be incompetent, full stop? I believe RE proves that they can. Leave it at that.
Agreed, but if he were hiring mostly people from his family, club or church etc., then that would be a huge concern especially when you consider the failure. If what Everett said is true, that is not a concern, so we cam drop the religion thing.

Engstrom is not LDS, but apparently a number of people in senior or semi-senior positions are UM are. Of course, Haslam is. I don't see it as an issue.
 
Since there's no longer any opportunity to send a special forces party to Bozeman to kidnap The Brawl of the Wild trophy could we instead switch targets to Waded Cruzado?
 
No, it isn't an issue. The issue is Engstrom and his staff are running UM into the ground. We talk about marketing to grow enrollment which is needed, however, they don't know how to proceed. Regarding LDS, it might be good to have a couple more in administration as they are talented, dedicated people. No, I am not LDS, but worked with many of them when I was President of a six state athletic association.
 
Wouldn't you think it would have been more logical to petition Engstrom's bosses, the BOR, rather than the governor? Also, forging (spoofing?)Robin Pflugrad's signature was shockingly stupid on someone's part. If Engstrom is to be let go, it will be largely because of a vote of no confidence on the part of UM faculty, and perhaps that is coming. To have lost the confidence of the "egriz community," some of whose members have grudges relating only to a perceived lack of appreciation for the football program? MEH. Like Pflugrad, "I would question the validity of a petition like that." :twocents:
 
srgrizizen said:
Wouldn't you think it would have been more logical to petition Engstrom's bosses, the BOR, rather than the governor? Also, forging (spoofing?)Robin Pflugrad's signature was shockingly stupid on someone's part. If Engstrom is to be let go, it will be largely because of a vote of no confidence on the part of UM faculty, and perhaps that is coming. To have lost the confidence of the "egriz community," some of whose members have grudges relating only to a perceived lack of appreciation for the football program? MEH. Like Pflugrad, "I would question the validity of a petition like that." :twocents:

Regarding the validity of the petition, or non-validity as the case may be, I question the entry about 11 or 12 names from the top "josep Lluis hernandez i pagan, Spain". All I can find in googleing for Pagan Spain is a ton of references to a book, such as referenced in the following url. http://www.amazon.com/Pagan-Spain-P-S-Richard-Wright/dp/B005M4L8YQ Hard to take it too seriously, I would think, with a confirmed falsehood in Pflugrads name and apparently this one as well. Who knows what other phoney ones are in there? Just my thoughts on it.
 
WHAT IS NEEDED IS A NEW PETITION.

This one is non-partisan in nature.

We encourages Governor Bullock to name Royce as his new Lieutenant Governor. Steve needs a guy with administrative experience to right his administration.
 
kemajic said:
Htowngriz said:
Speaking of tards, I guess you'll be voting for the guy who thinks you shouldn't retire because Noah didn't?
The petition could have been nonpartisan and inclusive and would have been stronger. But this group took the normal left route instead to be exclusive and devisive. Not for me.

I'm not one usually for politics and if I had a leaning either right or left I would say I lean slightly right...

That said, I read this thing twice and I don't see anything politically based. I could just be ignorant but I think they presented their case fairly and they have solid points.
 
kemajic said:
Htowngriz said:
Speaking of tards, I guess you'll be voting for the guy who thinks you shouldn't retire because Noah didn't?
The petition could have been nonpartisan and inclusive and would have been stronger. But this group took the normal left route instead to be exclusive and devisive. Not for me.

Maybe it was a tactical decision. Maybe they thought that Bullock may give the petition more credence if he thinks it's from those who support him. But regardless, who cares? You can't get over your obsession with politics for a second to help this University when it's floundering, just because of that sentence? That's ridiculous. And don't say you're not obsessed with politics. Anyone that uses the phrase libtard (or those that use terms like rethuglican, as well) is too blinded by politics to consider anything on it's merits.
 
Grisly Fan said:
It baffles me that politics and religion seem to get dragged into just about every controversial conversation. Can't someone simply be incompetent, full stop?

This!

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TheBud said:
Grisly Fan said:
It baffles me that politics and religion seem to get dragged into just about every controversial conversation. Can't someone simply be incompetent, full stop?

This!

:clap: :clap: :clap:
The petition itself sets the political tone.
 
kemajic said:
TheBud said:
Grisly Fan said:
It baffles me that politics and religion seem to get dragged into just about every controversial conversation. Can't someone simply be incompetent, full stop?

This!

:clap: :clap: :clap:
The petition itself sets the political tone - at least for those that actually read it.
 
Spanky said:
sirgriz, easy answer....because Engstrom's bosses have less smarts than he does.

So you would petition the smartest people rather than the the ones in a position to do anything about your concerns? Governors cannot fire University Presidents, much as some would like to. :coffee:
 
kemajic said:
TheBud said:
Grisly Fan said:
It baffles me that politics and religion seem to get dragged into just about every controversial conversation. Can't someone simply be incompetent, full stop?

This!

:clap: :clap: :clap:
The petition itself sets the political tone.
Personally I don't see where this is either. I look at the performance and if not good, is there a reason, such as hiring your own family or people from your club. In this case, the Provost has hired mostly people from his church, thus he has set the U up for a Title 7 lawsuit and I heard one is coming soon. Personally I could care less which religion if they are successful, but they haven't been, thus this could become an issue and RE has pretty much let it happen.
 
I've known the author of the petition for a very long time, and he means well, but he gets "out" there sometimes. The University does not hear a voice committed to excellence when it hears Engstrom speak. He is extraordinarily passive about decision making, and postpones and postpones. After five years, he has not done anything for the University. He did not even read the "settlement agreement" that he now actually touts as an "accomplishment" because it is a model for "universities across the nation," an achievement that is widely derided by legal scholars across the spectrum as a cave-in for due process and student rights.

He hired a PR firm and his own careless leadership "style" is such that nobody in Main Hall even noticed that the PR firm got UM mixed up with MSU, and had promoted MSU in its first blast. It's that bad. It is also representative of the quality of choices they make in the first place. And anybody watching the playoffs had to watch probably the worst ad ever produced to promote a University, repeatedly. There are some decent ads on the shelf, but nobody is paying attention. That one ran by default. It isn't just that somebody is asleep at the switch there, its as though there is no "switch."

He began the "layoff" meme himself when he let go two fine men. It is amazing that the football program came through that as well as it did; certainly a lot better than the University as whole. If ever there was proof that there was a need for change in "leadership," that was it, and subsequent events have shown it should have been Engstrom himself. "Sport" itself offers a good analogy. "Momentum" exists, on the field, in business, in organizations. And when the momentum is going backwards, you do something about it. If you are going three and out over and over and over, replace the QB. If you are getting interception after interception, change something, stop doing the same thing, and that's just as true for a University as a game against NDSU.

When he fired O'Day and Pflu, little did he realize he was setting something in motion that he could not control, and it may mean the end of his own career. The University is about $40 million down in accumulated cuts since Engstrom began his little firing spree and he is still, five years later, still entirely in a "reactive" mode. He started a fire he can't put out. It has never been this bad at the University of Montana.

Each quarter he will claim he has proof that the U has "turned the corner," and then six months later, confesses that more cuts are needed, larger and more devastating than the last. It's hard to tell if he is consciously lying because he just wants to hang on a bit longer, or if he actually believes what he says when he says it. Neither explanation is a good one.

He still has no strategic plan. That's simply unacceptable. It is a firing offense on its own.
 
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