Pease & Rosey

[ElrodGrizzly]

WTF

Well, you could argue he has a point here. We've been mired in mediocrity since his return; and we just broke a record for season ticket sales and an attendance record last Saturday. What does that tell you about Griz Nation in terms of demands on winning? Very telling if you ask me.

That they are happy to be on track to getting back to winning and having playoff success?

 

[BillingsMafia]

I base my opinion on how may times do they pass on first down. I saw a few in the last game and hope to see more. If its run on first down 90% of the time though out the season I think the Bobby era will be over. Vidlak is a very good passer and the fact he played most of the last game gives me hope. Im no way near to the fire Bobby point yet.

 

[3-7-77]

I base my opinion on how may times do they pass on first down. I saw a few in the last game and hope to see more. If its run on first down 90% of the time though out the season I think the Bobby era will be over. Vidlak is a very good passer and the fact he played most of the last game gives me hope. Im no way near to the fire Bobby point yet.

I agree. Bobby needs to produce, and NOW! I've been pro-Bobby since day one, but enough of the excuses.

 

[Raider]

Well, you could argue he has a point here. We've been mired in mediocrity since his return; and we just broke a record for season ticket sales and an attendance record last Saturday. What does that tell you about Griz Nation in terms of demands on winning? Very telling if you ask me.

That they are happy to be on track to getting back to winning and having playoff success?

Sorry, not sure I follow the logic here. What indication is there that they are "on track to winning and having playoff success"?

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

That they are happy to be on track to getting back to winning and having playoff success?

Sorry, not sure I follow the logic here. What indication is there that they are "on track to winning and having playoff success"?

Each year from Hauck's return has been better than the previous year, up until last year's disappointment. After that trend of Griz football going in a better and better direction, people are excited about the program. Obviously people are feeling that way, the season ticket numbers reflect that. The crowd hyped for that game last weekend reflects that. This weird "sky is falling" sentiment that I see posted online at times is not shared by the vast majority of Griz fans, and season ticket sales show that.

 

[bgbigdog]

I can't explain what we saw in the past two seasons with the offense. Rosey's first two in this rotation were masterpieces in my mind given the fact that they had linebackers and kids who played sparingly in HS, playing key offensive line positions. He had cohesive game plans that took full advantage of Sneed and the supporting cast of characters. And they were special.

Also feel like I can't explain what I am seeing in this one, though admittedly, its only three games old. it's been a minute since they had more than an "only choice" to consider at QB so I would gladly excuse the confusion, up to now. Pease and Hauck have the next two games to get things together. After that, things get really difficult, really quickly. And more confusion and poor production is going to ensure another middle of the pack finish, which this season, may not guarantee a home playoff buy-in.

 

[Oldschoolhornet]

I think Hoops is right...this is what RTD looks like.

 

[Ursus1]

Sorry, not sure I follow the logic here. What indication is there that they are "on track to winning and having playoff success"?

Each year from Hauck's return has been better than the previous year, up until last year's disappointment. After that trend of Griz football going in a better and better direction, people are excited about the program. Obviously people are feeling that way, the season ticket numbers reflect that. The crowd hyped for that game last weekend reflects that. This weird "sky is falling" sentiment that I see posted online at times is not shared by the vast majority of Griz fans, and season ticket sales show that.

Have you not been talking with the common folk season ticket holders? I have been and there are a lot....repeat a lot, of concerns with Bobby 2.0. The switching around of deck chairs (OC and oline) this off season in his staff coupled with the offense so far this season are not sitting well. Maybe QB club types are okay since they get the buddy-buddy side of Bobby, but not so much everywhere else. I think the great ticket numbers and game time excitement are not because of what is going on, but luckily more of what they hope will go on. Personally I was thrilled when Bobby came back, but with this number of years without actually being back to the top of the BSC has me seriously questioning if he will ever get them back to the top. So many excuses, wait until he gets his recruits, needs to fill cupboard Stitt left empty, reduced scholarships, injuries , young team blah blah. He has had time and it he needs to produce or they need to look at a different going a different direction. The fact that his peer coaches that know more about BSC football than the egriz crowd picked them 6th, that says a lot (if people say it is because of the players he has, well he was the one that recruited and is supposed to develop those players so it rests on him). People want a team that is championship caliber (BSC at least) and wins, the facts of what is happening at the two biggest rival schools only has added fuel to the fire.

 

[mtgrizfankb]

This place is so silly. It’s not as hard as you all make it. QB play is the single most important thing in college football. You can be an average team in most areas and a great QB and you can compete to the top 10 teams. If you have above average groups plus a good QB….you become very tough to beat. When Lucas was healthy last year…we were tough to beat. A top 5 team. When Sneed was healthy, we were top 5. With a QB that throws for 150 yards and 1 TD and 1 INT. You’re gonna be beat by a lot of teams, unless of course you have the best OL and RBs. Which we don’t. We have a good OL and great RBs but not the best. Not SDSU or NDSU level and probably not MSU level. If we can find QB play that leads to 200+ yards of accurate mistake free football. We would be a tough team to beat. (Top 5 probably) will we find that in Vidlak? Idk he’s still young and needs playing time. If we don’t find that…we will most likely miss the playoffs or squeak in and find a first round exit.

Play calling hasn’t been bad this year, execution has been below par still.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

Each year from Hauck's return has been better than the previous year, up until last year's disappointment. After that trend of Griz football going in a better and better direction, people are excited about the program. Obviously people are feeling that way, the season ticket numbers reflect that. The crowd hyped for that game last weekend reflects that. This weird "sky is falling" sentiment that I see posted online at times is not shared by the vast majority of Griz fans, and season ticket sales show that.

Have you not been talking with the common folk season ticket holders? I have been and there are a lot....repeat a lot, of concerns with Bobby 2.0. The switching around of deck chairs (OC and oline) this off season in his staff coupled with the offense so far this season are not sitting well. Maybe QB club types are okay since they get the buddy-buddy side of Bobby, but not so much everywhere else. I think the great ticket numbers and game time excitement are not because of what is going on, but luckily more of what they hope will go on. Personally I was thrilled when Bobby came back, but with this number of years without actually being back to the top of the BSC has me seriously questioning if he will ever get them back to the top. So many excuses, wait until he gets his recruits, needs to fill cupboard Stitt left empty, reduced scholarships, injuries , young team blah blah. He has had time and it he needs to produce or they need to look at a different going a different direction. The fact that his peer coaches that know more about BSC football than the egriz crowd picked them 6th, that says a lot (if people say it is because of the players he has, well he was the one that recruited and is supposed to develop those players so it rests on him). People want a team that is championship caliber (BSC at least) and wins, the facts of what is happening at the two biggest rival schools only has added fuel to the fire.

We must run in some different circles, I guess. That really hasn't been my experience. I hear a lot less complaining outside of egriz, and there seems to be a generational gap, too, if I am honest. I think people tend to get angrier and more negative as they get older, and that is the age group that I have heard the majority of the bitching about Bobby Hauck from. (I have no idea how old you are, I'm just making a general point)

A lot of those responses are just you arguing against a point you invented. I haven't heard anybody saying "wait till he gets his players" in years, that wouldn't even make sense.

I think the recovery of the Griz football program has been a lot stronger than you feel it has, and that is okay. Out of his years back, there has only been one year where the outcome at the end of the season was disappointing based on my expectations going into the season. The Big Sky has gotten a LOT better over the last ten years or so, and I don't expect us to win the conference and play in the national title game every year. I think that would be unrealistic. I want continued progress toward the goal of being at the top of the mountain. If the Griz take another step backward this year, then I will reassess my support of the Hauck regime, but they have more than met my expectations so far.

For reference, one poster went back to see what was happening on egriz the year we beat Central Washington by 3 points. "The sky was falling. The team wasn't living up. Hauck isn't getting it done. The team will go .500." We went to the national championship that year. Relax. We have a good, young team. We have a QB who should be here to develop for 3 years. We are heading in the right direction, in my opinion.

 

[Grizfan-24]

I could write novels here...

I'm in my late 40's and I note that only as a way to make my point... I've been around both Bobby terms as a head coach and if there is a theme is the constant bitching and moaning from Grizzly fans about his offensive philosophy. There isn't some tightly held secret belief that he just hires ineffective OC's, but rather this is a philosophical belief of what Bobby wants the offense to do or not to do. Just look at what Pease, Rosenbach and Phenecie have done elsewhere as OC's or as HC's. What I saw in Pease's time at OC in Boise would be most Griz fans wet dreams if he were able to create that type of scheme here. But alas, we have a system were Bobby doesn't want to put the success or failure of the team in the hands of the QB and it is really risk-averse.

As I've noted elsewhere, I think the first two possessions on Saturday against Ferris showed they were clearly understood that attacking the edges, unloading the box was a smart way to force FSU out of that really tight 6-1 they can show. We followed it up with a quarter and a half of playing into the hands of FSU front and pressure scheme with a lot of what we saw last year. Predictable first down calls, behind the sticks on second and third. I thought after half, being forced to open it up allowed Vidlak to at least show what he's capable of.

From a philosophical standpoint, I don't like running into a front like that with tighter alignments as we did constantly. I don't think inside zone holds up really well when the OL can't create folds the RB can see. Really thought that we'd see a lot more 2x2 and 3-1 alignments to allow Gilman, Ostmo and Harris to break tackles. Just didn't, and it clogged running lanes inside tackles. Again I think its a philosophical bent for Bobby and staff, they thought they could muscle FSU and they clearly couldn't.

They aren't going to see that philosophy this week, NAU probably would be better served to bring pressure but if they did. The Ferris State DL will probably be more physical and dynamic than what we'll see from NAU. If Montana is willing to spread out the formations a bit, there is going to be some good space to run and throw in.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

I could write novels here...

I'm in my late 40's and I note that only as a way to make my point... I've been around both Bobby terms as a head coach and if there is a theme is the constant bitching and moaning from Grizzly fans about his offensive philosophy. There isn't some tightly held secret belief that he just hires ineffective OC's, but rather this is a philosophical belief of what Bobby wants the offense to do or not to do. Just look at what Pease, Rosenbach and Phenecie have done elsewhere as OC's or as HC's. What I saw in Pease's time at OC in Boise would be most Griz fans wet dreams if he were able to create that type of scheme here. But alas, we have a system were Bobby doesn't want to put the success or failure of the team in the hands of the QB and it is really risk-averse.

As I've noted elsewhere, I think the first two possessions on Saturday against Ferris showed they were clearly understood that attacking the edges, unloading the box was a smart way to force FSU out of that really tight 6-1 they can show. We followed it up with a quarter and a half of playing into the hands of FSU front and pressure scheme with a lot of what we saw last year. Predictable first down calls, behind the sticks on second and third. I thought after half, being forced to open it up allowed Vidlak to at least show what he's capable of.

From a philosophical standpoint, I don't like running into a front like that with tighter alignments as we did constantly. I don't think inside zone holds up really well when the OL can't create folds the RB can see. Really thought that we'd see a lot more 2x2 and 3-1 alignments to allow Gilman, Ostmo and Harris to break tackles. Just didn't, and it clogged running lanes inside tackles. Again I think its a philosophical bent for Bobby and staff, they thought they could muscle FSU and they clearly couldn't.

They aren't going to see that philosophy this week, NAU probably would be better served to bring pressure but if they did. The Ferris State DL will probably be more physical and dynamic than what we'll see from NAU. If Montana is willing to spread out the formations a bit, there is going to be some good space to run and throw in.

You are absolutely right that this is his philosophy. That's why I was kind of surprised anyone was interested in changing the OC. The offense and defense are Hauck's, for sure.

I'm glad that we adjusted with the passing game in the second half and got things rolling. I saw that as a big positive, and it will make the running much easier. I agree with you that we should have some huge holes vs NAU, and I think Gillman and Ostmo will feast.

While I do like some high paced offense just for my pure entertainment, I've found it instructive that the top teams in the FCS right now are basically playing what people deride as "bobby ball." Tough defense, win on the lines, and run that ball hard. (NDSU, SDSU, MSU)

 

[3-7-77]

I could write novels here...

I'm in my late 40's and I note that only as a way to make my point... I've been around both Bobby terms as a head coach and if there is a theme is the constant bitching and moaning from Grizzly fans about his offensive philosophy. There isn't some tightly held secret belief that he just hires ineffective OC's, but rather this is a philosophical belief of what Bobby wants the offense to do or not to do. Just look at what Pease, Rosenbach and Phenecie have done elsewhere as OC's or as HC's. What I saw in Pease's time at OC in Boise would be most Griz fans wet dreams if he were able to create that type of scheme here. But alas, we have a system were Bobby doesn't want to put the success or failure of the team in the hands of the QB and it is really risk-averse.

As I've noted elsewhere, I think the first two possessions on Saturday against Ferris showed they were clearly understood that attacking the edges, unloading the box was a smart way to force FSU out of that really tight 6-1 they can show. We followed it up with a quarter and a half of playing into the hands of FSU front and pressure scheme with a lot of what we saw last year. Predictable first down calls, behind the sticks on second and third. I thought after half, being forced to open it up allowed Vidlak to at least show what he's capable of.

From a philosophical standpoint, I don't like running into a front like that with tighter alignments as we did constantly. I don't think inside zone holds up really well when the OL can't create folds the RB can see. Really thought that we'd see a lot more 2x2 and 3-1 alignments to allow Gilman, Ostmo and Harris to break tackles. Just didn't, and it clogged running lanes inside tackles. Again I think its a philosophical bent for Bobby and staff, they thought they could muscle FSU and they clearly couldn't.

They aren't going to see that philosophy this week, NAU probably would be better served to bring pressure but if they did. The Ferris State DL will probably be more physical and dynamic than what we'll see from NAU. If Montana is willing to spread out the formations a bit, there is going to be some good space to run and throw in.

You write pretty good non-fiction, too. :thumb:

 

[Ursus1]

Have you not been talking with the common folk season ticket holders? I have been and there are a lot....repeat a lot, of concerns with Bobby 2.0. The switching around of deck chairs (OC and oline) this off season in his staff coupled with the offense so far this season are not sitting well. Maybe QB club types are okay since they get the buddy-buddy side of Bobby, but not so much everywhere else. I think the great ticket numbers and game time excitement are not because of what is going on, but luckily more of what they hope will go on. Personally I was thrilled when Bobby came back, but with this number of years without actually being back to the top of the BSC has me seriously questioning if he will ever get them back to the top. So many excuses, wait until he gets his recruits, needs to fill cupboard Stitt left empty, reduced scholarships, injuries , young team blah blah. He has had time and it he needs to produce or they need to look at a different going a different direction. The fact that his peer coaches that know more about BSC football than the egriz crowd picked them 6th, that says a lot (if people say it is because of the players he has, well he was the one that recruited and is supposed to develop those players so it rests on him). People want a team that is championship caliber (BSC at least) and wins, the facts of what is happening at the two biggest rival schools only has added fuel to the fire.

We must run in some different circles, I guess. That really hasn't been my experience. I hear a lot less complaining outside of egriz, and there seems to be a generational gap, too, if I am honest. I think people tend to get angrier and more negative as they get older, and that is the age group that I have heard the majority of the bitching about Bobby Hauck from. (I have no idea how old you are, I'm just making a general point)

A lot of those responses are just you arguing against a point you invented. I haven't heard anybody saying "wait till he gets his players" in years, that wouldn't even make sense.

I think the recovery of the Griz football program has been a lot stronger than you feel it has, and that is okay. Out of his years back, there has only been one year where the outcome at the end of the season was disappointing based on my expectations going into the season. The Big Sky has gotten a LOT better over the last ten years or so, and I don't expect us to win the conference and play in the national title game every year. I think that would be unrealistic. I want continued progress toward the goal of being at the top of the mountain. If the Griz take another step backward this year, then I will reassess my support of the Hauck regime, but they have more than met my expectations so far.

For reference, one poster went back to see what was happening on egriz the year we beat Central Washington by 3 points. "The sky was falling. The team wasn't living up. Hauck isn't getting it done. The team will go .500." We went to the national championship that year. Relax. We have a good, young team. We have a QB who should be here to develop for 3 years. We are heading in the right direction, in my opinion.

The "just wait until he gets his guys", "Stitt cupboard "were the ones they used for the early years.....they then move on to new ones. Last year was the tough schedule and QB 1 hurt, this year I hear the young QB, new offensive players. Bottom line excuses are not needed if you win

So we need to wait another 3 years? You do know other teams are young too. Other schools change coaches and get fast results. Cats have zero seniors on a far better oline, Idaho played a true freshman QB last year to beat the Griz, both beat the Griz last year despite a first year coach and a second year one

I'm okay with the occasional rebuilding year/young year, but they should follow a great year when a lot of starters were seniors. that hasn't happened, it is always "just wait". This is year six and is predicted to finish 6th in the conference!!!!.....and ZERO conference championships ( two other 6th place finishes and a tie for 3rd being the pinnacle). Any other coach would have been sent packing or forced to change some coaches (not just shuffle the ones he has to keep them employed). How long is the wait needed?

And age....I am lucky enough to have seen a lot of coaching stints and it is pretty obvious this program is no where near where it has been many times (including Bobby 1.0). I had high hopes he could get it done again, but sure not looking good unless middle of road BSC team/second best program in the state is the goal

 

[uofmman1122]

Idaho played a true freshman QB last year to beat the Griz

McCoy was a redshirt freshman last year.

He played against us as a true frosh in 2021 and was awful. Sometimes guys aren't amazing in their first D1 action.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

We must run in some different circles, I guess. That really hasn't been my experience. I hear a lot less complaining outside of egriz, and there seems to be a generational gap, too, if I am honest. I think people tend to get angrier and more negative as they get older, and that is the age group that I have heard the majority of the bitching about Bobby Hauck from. (I have no idea how old you are, I'm just making a general point)

A lot of those responses are just you arguing against a point you invented. I haven't heard anybody saying "wait till he gets his players" in years, that wouldn't even make sense.

I think the recovery of the Griz football program has been a lot stronger than you feel it has, and that is okay. Out of his years back, there has only been one year where the outcome at the end of the season was disappointing based on my expectations going into the season. The Big Sky has gotten a LOT better over the last ten years or so, and I don't expect us to win the conference and play in the national title game every year. I think that would be unrealistic. I want continued progress toward the goal of being at the top of the mountain. If the Griz take another step backward this year, then I will reassess my support of the Hauck regime, but they have more than met my expectations so far.

For reference, one poster went back to see what was happening on egriz the year we beat Central Washington by 3 points. "The sky was falling. The team wasn't living up. Hauck isn't getting it done. The team will go .500." We went to the national championship that year. Relax. We have a good, young team. We have a QB who should be here to develop for 3 years. We are heading in the right direction, in my opinion.

The "just wait until he gets his guys", "Stitt cupboard "were the ones they used for the early years.....they then move on to new ones. Last year was the tough schedule and QB 1 hurt, this year I hear the young QB, new offensive players. Bottom line excuses are not needed if you win

So we need to wait another 3 years? You do know other teams are young too. Other schools change coaches and get fast results. Cats have zero seniors on a far better oline, Idaho played a true freshman QB last year to beat the Griz, both beat the Griz last year despite a first year coach and a second year one

I'm okay with the occasional rebuilding year/young year, but they should follow a great year when a lot of starters were seniors. that hasn't happened, it is always "just wait". This is year six and is predicted to finish 6th in the conference!!!!.....and ZERO conference championships ( two other 6th place finishes and a tie for 3rd being the pinnacle). Any other coach would have been sent packing or forced to change some coaches (not just shuffle the ones he has to keep them employed). How long is the wait needed?

And age....I am lucky enough to have seen a lot of coaching stints and it is pretty obvious this program is no where near where it has been many times (including Bobby 1.0). I had high hopes he could get it done again, but sure not looking good unless middle of road BSC team/second best program in the state is the goal

You are obviously welcome to your opinion, but I don't know what you expectation was? That he would have them back on top day one? My point, and I stand by it, is that every year was building on the previous year and getting better up until the disappointment that came last season. We didn't become the best team in the nation over night back in the 1990's, and we were never going to start competing for national championships on day one with Hauck back. There is a clear trend of the team having better years and improving, and I look for that trend to continue. I never said wait more years, I said that we are already trending in the right direction year over year compared to the program he took over.

 

[Oldschoolhornet]

Grizfan-24 clearly understands the game and the status of Griz football better than the pretender who played half a century ago and redundantly calls people out on this site for not knowing the game.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Have you not been talking with the common folk season ticket holders? I have been and there are a lot....repeat a lot, of concerns with Bobby 2.0. The switching around of deck chairs (OC and oline) this off season in his staff coupled with the offense so far this season are not sitting well. Maybe QB club types are okay since they get the buddy-buddy side of Bobby, but not so much everywhere else. I think the great ticket numbers and game time excitement are not because of what is going on, but luckily more of what they hope will go on. Personally I was thrilled when Bobby came back, but with this number of years without actually being back to the top of the BSC has me seriously questioning if he will ever get them back to the top. So many excuses, wait until he gets his recruits, needs to fill cupboard Stitt left empty, reduced scholarships, injuries , young team blah blah. He has had time and it he needs to produce or they need to look at a different going a different direction. The fact that his peer coaches that know more about BSC football than the egriz crowd picked them 6th, that says a lot (if people say it is because of the players he has, well he was the one that recruited and is supposed to develop those players so it rests on him). People want a team that is championship caliber (BSC at least) and wins, the facts of what is happening at the two biggest rival schools only has added fuel to the fire.

We must run in some different circles, I guess. That really hasn't been my experience. I hear a lot less complaining outside of egriz, and there seems to be a generational gap, too, if I am honest. I think people tend to get angrier and more negative as they get older, and that is the age group that I have heard the majority of the bitching about Bobby Hauck from. (I have no idea how old you are, I'm just making a general point)

A lot of those responses are just you arguing against a point you invented. I haven't heard anybody saying "wait till he gets his players" in years, that wouldn't even make sense.

I think the recovery of the Griz football program has been a lot stronger than you feel it has, and that is okay. Out of his years back, there has only been one year where the outcome at the end of the season was disappointing based on my expectations going into the season. The Big Sky has gotten a LOT better over the last ten years or so, and I don't expect us to win the conference and play in the national title game every year. I think that would be unrealistic. I want continued progress toward the goal of being at the top of the mountain. If the Griz take another step backward this year, then I will reassess my support of the Hauck regime, but they have more than met my expectations so far.

For reference, one poster went back to see what was happening on egriz the year we beat Central Washington by 3 points. "The sky was falling. The team wasn't living up. Hauck isn't getting it done. The team will go .500." We went to the national championship that year. Relax. We have a good, young team. We have a QB who should be here to develop for 3 years. We are heading in the right direction, in my opinion.

"I hear a lot less complaining outside of egriz, and there seems to be a generational gap, too, if I am honest."

One generation has vivid memories of playing in national championships.

The other has never done so.

That's the difference.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Is it good or bad that Bobby 2.0 has had the best results since Bobby 1.0?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Grizfan-24 clearly understands the game and the status of Griz football better than the pretender who played half a century ago and redundantly calls people out on this site for not knowing the game.

What would you say your percentage of posts that involve PR is? Seems like close to 90%. Just something to think about.