Pac-12 Financial Woes

[MikeyGriz]

A valid argument, so I'll rephrase the question: Does anyone believe we couldn't be successful and solvent with $35million in revenue: $20 from conference; $15 from internally generated revenue?

But I know, we're just little ol' montany. No way the likes o' us could go compete with them ol' big guys. Let's just be quiet and be satisfied with this here shit conference.

What conference is available that would have that $20 million split?

And your other stated goal is just to be out of the Big Sky? Aimed pretty high for that one!

Currently none. But what happens when there is? Will we as fans support it?

Look, moving out of the bsc to a real conference should be EVERY fan's primary goal. But it's the residuals that come along with that move that will make it awesome.

That's where I always seem to come back. It feels like there are three main groups: (1) People who want move up ASAP; (2) People who genuinely don't ever want to move up (people who make bowl game jokes); and (3) People who know we're trapped now, but want UM to be in position when/if the time comes because we won't be able to mull it over and do studies for six years before deciding.

I guess I don't ever think the "there's no FBS conference for us to join" narrative makes the current BSC any better.

We've already had at least 2 of those studies done and they both said such a move wasn't financially or facility-wise feasible. We have struggled with a $1 million athletic deficit and a $10 million academic deficit. What makes us think we wouldn't suffer the same outcome as the schools listed previously? Where will the additional $$$ come from? We're not he drunken sailors of Congress that can just kick the can down the road.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

What conference is available that would have that $20 million split?

And your other stated goal is just to be out of the Big Sky? Aimed pretty high for that one!

Currently none. But what happens when there is? Will we as fans support it?

Look, moving out of the bsc to a real conference should be EVERY fan's primary goal. But it's the residuals that come along with that move that will make it awesome.

That's where I always seem to come back. It feels like there are three main groups: (1) People who want move up ASAP; (2) People who genuinely don't ever want to move up (people who make bowl game jokes); and (3) People who know we're trapped now, but want UM to be in position when/if the time comes because we won't be able to mull it over and do studies for six years before deciding.

I guess I don't ever think the "there's no FBS conference for us to join" narrative makes the current BSC any better.

We've already had at least 2 of those studies done and they both said such a move wasn't financially or facility-wise feasible. We have struggled with a $1 million athletic deficit and a $10 million academic deficit. What makes us think we wouldn't suffer the same outcome as the schools listed previously? Where will the additional $$$ come from? We're not he drunken sailors of Congress that can just kick the can down the road.

Sure, I hear that. That means we should be throwing some weight around to improve the BSC if we're stuck here forever. I'm thinking a bit of addition by subtraction is in order.

PS: Did anyone ever find that missing $1 million when AD Hogan left?

 

[EverettGriz]

Currently none. But what happens when there is? Will we as fans support it?

Look, moving out of the bsc to a real conference should be EVERY fan's primary goal. But it's the residuals that come along with that move that will make it awesome.

That's where I always seem to come back. It feels like there are three main groups: (1) People who want move up ASAP; (2) People who genuinely don't ever want to move up (people who make bowl game jokes); and (3) People who know we're trapped now, but want UM to be in position when/if the time comes because we won't be able to mull it over and do studies for six years before deciding.

I guess I don't ever think the "there's no FBS conference for us to join" narrative makes the current BSC any better.

We've already had at least 2 of those studies done and they both said such a move wasn't financially or facility-wise feasible. We have struggled with a $1 million athletic deficit and a $10 million academic deficit. What makes us think we wouldn't suffer the same outcome as the schools listed previously? Where will the additional $$$ come from? We're not he drunken sailors of Congress that can just kick the can down the road.

Sure, I hear that. That means we should be throwing some weight around to improve the BSC if we're stuck here forever. I'm thinking a bit of addition by subtraction is in order.

PS: Did anyone ever find that missing $1 million when AD Hogan left?

Preeeeeeeeecisely. I just cannot and do not understand why Montana doesn't play like the big dog we are. Our fans seem fully satisfied to let this pos conference make decisions time and time and time again which hurt us, but benefit the 32 directional schools in the league. Think that happens to Alabama in the SEC, or even Gonzaga in the WCC? Pullllllease. What's best for those universities ARE the conference's decisions.

As the giant in this conference, we either need to move up to a level we belong, or we need to start throwing our weight around.

 

[ORGUNGRIZ]

So, UConn isn't making it work financially in football, men's basketball or women's basketball?

"UConn won’t rule out eliminating some sports to close a more than $40 million gap in its athletic department budget."

"In an NCAA financial statement released Thursday, UConn reported that total generated revenue from sports last year totaled $40.4 million, while expenses came in at $80.9 million.

Football lost $8.7 million, men’s basketball $5 million and women’s basketball, a perennial power, had expenses more that outpaced revenues by more than $3 million.

The school reported receiving $7.1 million in conference distribution funds last year and another $1 million in media rights, down from $7.3 million reported in 2017. By comparison, the average school distribution for the Southeastern Conference was reported to be about $41 million and Big Ten schools reportedly received an average of about $38.5 million."
https://nypost.com/2019/01/19/why-uconn ... -programs/

Wow, that's some kind of coin for the SEC and Big 10.
I wonder what the BSC average distribution is.

$37.26! Your welcome...

 

[CDAGRIZ]

So, UConn isn't making it work financially in football, men's basketball or women's basketball?

"UConn won’t rule out eliminating some sports to close a more than $40 million gap in its athletic department budget."

"In an NCAA financial statement released Thursday, UConn reported that total generated revenue from sports last year totaled $40.4 million, while expenses came in at $80.9 million.

Football lost $8.7 million, men’s basketball $5 million and women’s basketball, a perennial power, had expenses more that outpaced revenues by more than $3 million.

The school reported receiving $7.1 million in conference distribution funds last year and another $1 million in media rights, down from $7.3 million reported in 2017. By comparison, the average school distribution for the Southeastern Conference was reported to be about $41 million and Big Ten schools reportedly received an average of about $38.5 million."
https://nypost.com/2019/01/19/why-uconn ... -programs/

Wow, that's some kind of coin for the SEC and Big 10.
I wonder what the BSC average distribution is.

$37.26! Your welcome...

I'm nervous laughing because I honestly don't know if you're joking.

 

[atomik235]

https://www.univstats.com/comparison/pacific-12-conference/student-population/

 

[grizindabox]

I am not sure Montana has the pull people think they do. I mean, does the BSC do any worse than they currently are without the Montana schools? Could the remaining schools still operate the same without the Montana schools? I think they all could.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I am not sure Montana has the pull people think they do. I mean, does the BSC do any worse than they currently are without the Montana schools? Could the remaining schools still operate the same without the Montana schools? I think they all could.

Two completely different questions with the same answer.
Yes.
Yes.

If not yes to #1, maybe try them and have them figure it out. I'm sure the conference wouldn't want to lose either Montana school. It's wouldn't be like losing EWU or Sac St.

 

[grizindabox]

I am not sure Montana has the pull people think they do. I mean, does the BSC do any worse than they currently are without the Montana schools? Could the remaining schools still operate the same without the Montana schools? I think they all could.

Two completely different questions with the same answer.
Yes.
Yes.

If not yes to #1, maybe try them and have them figure it out. I'm sure the conference wouldn't want to lose either Montana school. It's wouldn't be like losing EWU or Sac St.

And what leverage do the Montana schools have...they have no where else to go.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I am not sure Montana has the pull people think they do. I mean, does the BSC do any worse than they currently are without the Montana schools? Could the remaining schools still operate the same without the Montana schools? I think they all could.

Two completely different questions with the same answer.
Yes.
Yes.

If not yes to #1, maybe try them and have them figure it out. I'm sure the conference wouldn't want to lose either Montana school. It's wouldn't be like losing EWU or Sac St.

And what leverage do the Montana schools have...they have no where else to go.

Not with that attitude!
Seriously, though, talk with the other FCS conferences and pit them against the BSC. Shit, GU said it was thinking about joining the Big East until the WCC bowed down. Or, we can just do nothing and be thankful for the trips to Greeley and Cedar City.

 

[grizindabox]

I am not sure Montana has the pull people think they do. I mean, does the BSC do any worse than they currently are without the Montana schools? Could the remaining schools still operate the same without the Montana schools? I think they all could.

Two completely different questions with the same answer.
Yes.
Yes.

If not yes to #1, maybe try them and have them figure it out. I'm sure the conference wouldn't want to lose either Montana school. It's wouldn't be like losing EWU or Sac St.

And what leverage do the Montana schools have...they have no where else to go.

Not with that attitude!
Seriously, though, talk with the other FCS conferences and pit them against the BSC. Shit, GU said it was thinking about joining the Big East until the WCC bowed down. Or, we can just do nothing and be thankful for the trips to Greeley and Cedar City.

Montana is no GU....and the Southland would be an awesome home for Montana sports....The BSC would tell Montana to not let the door hit them in the ass on the way out.

 

[PlayerRep]

In 2019, the bsc's primary means of revenue distribution to member programs came from the sale of corn dogs in Reno. $34.19 split evenly between each of the 54 member schools.

Perhaps not too far off the truth, but at least UM doesn't have a $40 million annual deficit like UConn. Even their two hoops programs lose a ton of money.

I have never understood how the UM windmill chasers apparently believe that money grows on trees.

Just curious, are you suggesting UM couldn't successfully run its athletic department and balance its budget on $50 million in revenue?

No, I'm saying, not suggesting, that there is no way UM can get to $50 million in athletic revenue.

 

[PlayerRep]

A valid argument, so I'll rephrase the question: Does anyone believe we couldn't be successful and solvent with $35million in revenue: $20 from conference; $15 from internally generated revenue?

But I know, we're just little ol' montany. No way the likes o' us could go compete with them ol' big guys. Let's just be quiet and be satisfied with this here shit conference.

What conference is available that would have that $20 million split?

And your other stated goal is just to be out of the Big Sky? Aimed pretty high for that one!

Currently none. But what happens when there is? Will we as fans support it?

Look, moving out of the bsc to a real conference should be EVERY fan's primary goal. But it's the residuals that come along with that move that will make it awesome.

That's where I always seem to come back. It feels like there are three main groups: (1) People who want move up ASAP; (2) People who genuinely don't ever want to move up (people who make bowl game jokes); and (3) People who know we're trapped now, but want UM to be in position when/if the time comes because we won't be able to mull it over and do studies for six years before deciding.

I guess I don't ever think the "there's no FBS conference for us to join" narrative makes the current BSC any better.

There's also 4th type, the Windmill Chasers like Everett.

 

[PlayerRep]

That's where I always seem to come back. It feels like there are three main groups: (1) People who want move up ASAP; (2) People who genuinely don't ever want to move up (people who make bowl game jokes); and (3) People who know we're trapped now, but want UM to be in position when/if the time comes because we won't be able to mull it over and do studies for six years before deciding.

I guess I don't ever think the "there's no FBS conference for us to join" narrative makes the current BSC any better.

We've already had at least 2 of those studies done and they both said such a move wasn't financially or facility-wise feasible. We have struggled with a $1 million athletic deficit and a $10 million academic deficit. What makes us think we wouldn't suffer the same outcome as the schools listed previously? Where will the additional $$$ come from? We're not he drunken sailors of Congress that can just kick the can down the road.

Sure, I hear that. That means we should be throwing some weight around to improve the BSC if we're stuck here forever. I'm thinking a bit of addition by subtraction is in order.

PS: Did anyone ever find that missing $1 million when AD Hogan left?

Preeeeeeeeecisely. I just cannot and do not understand why Montana doesn't play like the big dog we are. Our fans seem fully satisfied to let this pos conference make decisions time and time and time again which hurt us, but benefit the 32 directional schools in the league. Think that happens to Alabama in the SEC, or even Gonzaga in the WCC? Pullllllease. What's best for those universities ARE the conference's decisions.

As the giant in this conference, we either need to move up to a level we belong, or we need to start throwing our weight around.

Montana is not a big dog. What planet are you from?

The first step at being a big dog, and it would just be a tiny baby step, would be sending the Dance Team to the Conference Tourney in Boise, which would include some of you cheap scates sending $100 or more to the Dance Team. Everett talks big, and wants everyone to think big, but he probably doesn't even have $100 to put his money where is (big) mouth is.

 

[tourist]

So, UConn isn't making it work financially in football, men's basketball or women's basketball?

"UConn won’t rule out eliminating some sports to close a more than $40 million gap in its athletic department budget."

"In an NCAA financial statement released Thursday, UConn reported that total generated revenue from sports last year totaled $40.4 million, while expenses came in at $80.9 million.

Football lost $8.7 million, men’s basketball $5 million and women’s basketball, a perennial power, had expenses more that outpaced revenues by more than $3 million.

The school reported receiving $7.1 million in conference distribution funds last year and another $1 million in media rights, down from $7.3 million reported in 2017. By comparison, the average school distribution for the Southeastern Conference was reported to be about $41 million and Big Ten schools reportedly received an average of about $38.5 million."
https://nypost.com/2019/01/19/why-uconn ... -programs/

Wow, that's some kind of coin for the SEC and Big 10.
I wonder what the BSC average distribution is.

$37.26! Your welcome...
Have you noticed that these schools/conferences are rounding off dollar amounts to the nearest $100,000? Anything less than that amount is not worthy of reporting.