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One play from undefeated, well 10-1 at least

Interesting thread. In the early losses, I had noticed the same thing. Maybe 4-5 key plays that went against the Griz. However, with the 1-4 finish and two terrible losses at the end, it was clear that way more than continuous bad luck had occurred. Something caused the season to go so wrong in the last half. In the year when UM did not have JJ, I truly think the season would have been much much better with him, and I did an analysis of games UM would have likely won with JJ. But what was it this year? Coaching, locker room, lack of talent?

I tend to the agree with the prior comments that good teams find ways to win most of the close games and make plays when they need to be made; it's not just one play but many plays that decide games; the last half of the season showed something big was wrong.

I am still hopeful for next year, and for Stitt, but I can see the arguments to the contrary. And, we need a QB, if Phillips doesn't turn out to the be the answer. I hope it's true that there are a couple terrific redshirt receivers and a number of good o-lineman. I hope the defensive scheme evolves so that we don't give up so many big plays and big passes. 2d to the last in yards per catch given up in FCS is not good.
 
PlayerRep said:
Interesting thread. In the early losses, I had noticed the same thing. Maybe 4-5 key plays that went against the Griz. However, with the 1-4 finish and two terrible losses at the end, it was clear that way more than continuous bad luck had occurred. Something caused the season to go so wrong in the last half. In the year when UM did not have JJ, I truly think the season would have been much much better with him, and I did an analysis of games UM would have likely won with JJ. But what was it this year? Coaching, locker room, lack of talent?

I tend to the agree with the prior comments that good teams find ways to win most of the close games and make plays when they need to be made; it's not just one play but many plays that decide games; the last half of the season showed something big was wrong.

I am still hopeful for next year, and for Stitt, but I can see the arguments to the contrary. And, we need a QB, if Phillips doesn't turn out to the be the answer. I hope it's true that there are a couple terrific redshirt receivers and a number of good o-lineman. I hope the defensive scheme evolves so that we don't give up so many big plays and big passes. 2d to the last in yards per catch given up in FCS is not good.
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Good summary. Agreed the season depends on a QB taking charge early.


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PlayerRep said:
Interesting thread. In the early losses, I had noticed the same thing. Maybe 4-5 key plays that went against the Griz. However, with the 1-4 finish and two terrible losses at the end, it was clear that way more than continuous bad luck had occurred. Something caused the season to go so wrong in the last half. In the year when UM did not have JJ, I truly think the season would have been much much better with him, and I did an analysis of games UM would have likely won with JJ. But what was it this year? Coaching, locker room, lack of talent?

I tend to the agree with the prior comments that good teams find ways to win most of the close games and make plays when they need to be made; it's not just one play but many plays that decide games; the last half of the season showed something big was wrong.

I am still hopeful for next year, and for Stitt, but I can see the arguments to the contrary. And, we need a QB, if Phillips doesn't turn out to the be the answer. I hope it's true that there are a couple terrific redshirt receivers and a number of good o-lineman. I hope the defensive scheme evolves so that we don't give up so many big plays and big passes. 2d to the last in yards per catch given up in FCS is not good.
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PlayerRep said:
Interesting thread. In the early losses, I had noticed the same thing. Maybe 4-5 key plays that went against the Griz. However, with the 1-4 finish and two terrible losses at the end, it was clear that way more than continuous bad luck had occurred. Something caused the season to go so wrong in the last half. In the year when UM did not have JJ, I truly think the season would have been much much better with him, and I did an analysis of games UM would have likely won with JJ. But what was it this year? Coaching, locker room, lack of talent?

I tend to the agree with the prior comments that good teams find ways to win most of the close games and make plays when they need to be made; it's not just one play but many plays that decide games; the last half of the season showed something big was wrong.

I am still hopeful for next year, and for Stitt, but I can see the arguments to the contrary. And, we need a QB, if Phillips doesn't turn out to the be the answer. I hope it's true that there are a couple terrific redshirt receivers and a number of good o-lineman. I hope the defensive scheme evolves so that we don't give up so many big plays and big passes. 2d to the last in yards per catch given up in FCS is not good.
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Good post and that is saying something, because I rarely agree with your perspective. I would say the answer is likely - all of the three. Coaching, locker room and lack of talent (possibly youth). The O line was not good. There is no way to sugar coat that. The defense should have been better. I think the talent was there, but something was missing. The Scats game left me with little confidence in our DC. Will he learn to adjust? I hope so. Were there locker room issues or bad apples that drug others down? Rumored but not confirmed. Troxel is a big step in the right direction, but you are absolutely correct. We need a QB and an offensive line that screams DOLA. The running game will be fine if the line gels. I remember a lot of dropped passes this year. I also remember a lot of overthrows. Young receivers made a lot of mistakes this year. I am not sold on Stitt yet. I think we need two more full years to really see what he can do. Some are not that patient and he may only get one.
 
markson161 said:
2 more full years?

I'm sure years 18 and 19 will be different than his first 17 years, ha!
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Are you saying school of mines was the same scenario as the U of M. Have you looked at the recruits coming in? Did you consider what he inherited? Not saying you are wrong, but I think you are comparing apples to oranges.
 
If we were able to recruit a combination of 4 and 5 star recruits, wouldn't they also require proper coaching to win?
 
Spanky said:
If we were able to recruit a combination of 4 and 5 star recruits, wouldn't they also require proper coaching to win?
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Yes coaching is essential. You are confident that the coaching is that bad and are you going on record that Stitt should be fired? Stop beating around the bush. Say exactly what you mean for once and for all. The jury is still out in my opinion. He needs more time.
 
Yes, he should've been fired after losing 4 of the last 5 and getting his ass kicked by a 1st Year coach and a freshman quarterback.
Don't say MSU didn't do an ass kicking because everyone there saw it. The coaching had no answer to stop it.
But of course you will blame it on the players and lack of talent.
Continue to defend with your endless excuses
 
markson161 said:
Yes, he should've been fired after losing 4 of the last 5 and getting his ass kicked by a 1st Year coach and a freshman quarterback.
Don't say MSU didn't do an ass kicking because everyone there saw it. The coaching had no answer to stop it.
But of course you will blame it on the players and lack of talent.
Continue to defend with your endless excuses
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At least you had the balls to say he should be fired - with your anonymous screen persona that is. :lol:
You will either look like a genius or another spoiled fan in one to two years. I lean more towards the spoiled fan, but I guess the phenomenal recruiting, Troxel and learning as you go have some merit with me.
 
Copper: I'm on record that Coach Stitt should be given one more year which is the final year of his three year contract.
Many on this forum seem to think that good recruits will turn the program around, no matter the quality of coaching.
 
PlayerRep said:
. 2d to the last in yards per catch given up in FCS is not good.
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Wow! I knew there were problems in passing D and giving up easy big plays, but I had no idea it was that bad.That is something that DOLA or a mobile QB doesn't help with one iota.

We either need 2 top-notch corners or a better scheme or both. Maybe a bend but don't break defense is not the worst thing in the world.

And I don't see Troxel fixing this glaring problem!
 
Spanky said:
Copper: I'm on record that Coach Stitt should be given one more year which is the final year of his three year contract.
Many on this forum seem to think that good recruits will turn the program around, no matter the quality of coaching.
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I give you credit for being on record Spanky. I will be on record for giving him two years. Unconditional since I consider the program to be in a rebuilding phase. I know that is controversial with some, but two is my number. I will gladly eat crow if Stitt fails. I do not expect to make the playoffs next year and I hope I am proved wrong.
 
Copper Griz said:
PlayerRep said:
Interesting thread. In the early losses, I had noticed the same thing. Maybe 4-5 key plays that went against the Griz. However, with the 1-4 finish and two terrible losses at the end, it was clear that way more than continuous bad luck had occurred. Something caused the season to go so wrong in the last half. In the year when UM did not have JJ, I truly think the season would have been much much better with him, and I did an analysis of games UM would have likely won with JJ. But what was it this year? Coaching, locker room, lack of talent?

I tend to the agree with the prior comments that good teams find ways to win most of the close games and make plays when they need to be made; it's not just one play but many plays that decide games; the last half of the season showed something big was wrong.

I am still hopeful for next year, and for Stitt, but I can see the arguments to the contrary. And, we need a QB, if Phillips doesn't turn out to the be the answer. I hope it's true that there are a couple terrific redshirt receivers and a number of good o-lineman. I hope the defensive scheme evolves so that we don't give up so many big plays and big passes. 2d to the last in yards per catch given up in FCS is not good.
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Good post and that is saying something, because I rarely agree with your perspective. I would say the answer is likely - all of the three. Coaching, locker room and lack of talent (possibly youth). The O line was not good. There is no way to sugar coat that. The defense should have been better. I think the talent was there, but something was missing. The Scats game left me with little confidence in our DC. Will he learn to adjust? I hope so. Were there locker room issues or bad apples that drug others down? Rumored but not confirmed. Troxel is a big step in the right direction, but you are absolutely correct. We need a QB and an offensive line that screams DOLA. The running game will be fine if the line gels. I remember a lot of dropped passes this year. I also remember a lot of overthrows. Young receivers made a lot of mistakes this year. I am not sold on Stitt yet. I think we need two more full years to really see what he can do. Some are not that patient and he may only get one.
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I will go on record as supporting your views and as stated above ---not always the case. PR you nailed it, many plays. That is reducing the equation down to the lowest form. Well thought.
Copper, perfect analysis, you see well. I will give him the two years for then we shall know.
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markson161 said:
Yes, he should've been fired after losing 4 of the last 5 and getting his ass kicked by a 1st Year coach and a freshman quarterback.
Don't say MSU didn't do an ass kicking because everyone there saw it. The coaching had no answer to stop it.
But of course you will blame it on the players and lack of talent.
Continue to defend with your endless excuses
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Yeah, let's knee jerk react and fire a 2nd year coach. Sweet Jesus, talk about steering the caddy into the fucking ditch. Let's change course completely AGAIN. :roll: :roll:
 
Spanky said:
Copper: making the playoffs would be good, however, another loss to the Bobcats, not so good.
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Agree. Losing to little bro is painful. Very painful. Call me naïve. I think next years team will be more mature at some key positions. Back to the original premise. If the O-line and QB are not on par - then the Griz will have problems. I am not worried about the running backs or receivers. The D- should be solid if the secondary comes together. The Cats are not going to be world beaters next year. They have a long way to go. Unfortunately so do the Griz. Time will tell. Losing to the Cats is never acceptable or understandable. Never.
 
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