One play from undefeated, well 10-1 at least

[alabamagrizzly]

"rocklobster wrote:

Of course you'll expect the usual cynical feedback on this perspective from 75 and the other darksiders, but I totally agree with you. Anyone with 1/4 of a brain understands this. All others argue against it!

The problem of course with this post is that there are very few people, other than the few who have undergone certain procedures associated with a lobotomy, that have only 1/4 of a brain. Most have a full brain although the associated IQ may be different. That sort of eliminates most people understanding Alabama's contention that we were only a few plays away from a 10-1 season. My condolences on your surgery Rock.

In Alabama do they believe that hamburgers might have been tenderloins if they just hadn't suffered a play or two at the hands of a meat grinder?

Go back to the 78 threads bashing Stitt, the players, the recruiting, etc.,etc. There's plenty of THEM to post your negative bullshit on.

I would rather read the realistic non self aggrandizing posts than the over promoted, wising we were better pie in the sky crap that runs all over this board. Hoping the OL is better every year gets us 3-5 in conference so its time people start being more realistic instead of praying for improvement that isn't there and isn't coming anytime soon.

Well then your in the right spot my friend! True story, eGriz was created solely for pessimistic fans to piss and moan with other pessimistic fans.

 

[AZGrizFan]

"rocklobster wrote:

Of course you'll expect the usual cynical feedback on this perspective from 75 and the other darksiders, but I totally agree with you. Anyone with 1/4 of a brain understands this. All others argue against it!

The problem of course with this post is that there are very few people, other than the few who have undergone certain procedures associated with a lobotomy, that have only 1/4 of a brain. Most have a full brain although the associated IQ may be different. That sort of eliminates most people understanding Alabama's contention that we were only a few plays away from a 10-1 season. My condolences on your surgery Rock.

In Alabama do they believe that hamburgers might have been tenderloins if they just hadn't suffered a play or two at the hands of a meat grinder?

Go back to the 78 threads bashing Stitt, the players, the recruiting, etc.,etc. There's plenty of THEM to post your negative bullshit on.

I would rather read the realistic non self aggrandizing posts than the over promoted, wising we were better pie in the sky crap that runs all over this board. Hoping the OL is better every year gets us 3-5 in conference so its time people start being more realistic instead of praying for improvement that isn't there and isn't coming anytime soon.

Explain to me how EWU went from 6-5 to 12-2, please. Last season has ZERO impact on NEXT season. If you can't see the improvement in the players that are coming up I can't help you.

 

[rocklobster]

The problem of course with this post is that there are very few people, other than the few who have undergone certain procedures associated with a lobotomy, that have only 1/4 of a brain. Most have a full brain although the associated IQ may be different. That sort of eliminates most people understanding Alabama's contention that we were only a few plays away from a 10-1 season. My condolences on your surgery Rock.

In Alabama do they believe that hamburgers might have been tenderloins if they just hadn't suffered a play or two at the hands of a meat grinder?

Go back to the 78 threads bashing Stitt, the players, the recruiting, etc.,etc. There's plenty of THEM to post your negative bullshit on.

I would rather read the realistic non self aggrandizing posts than the over promoted, wising we were better pie in the sky crap that runs all over this board. Hoping the OL is better every year gets us 3-5 in conference so its time people start being more realistic instead of praying for improvement that isn't there and isn't coming anytime soon.

Explain to me how EWU went from 6-5 to 12-2, please. Last season has ZERO impact on NEXT season. If you can't see the improvement in the players that are coming up I can't help you.

:clap:

 

[Man1]

The problem of course with this post is that there are very few people, other than the few who have undergone certain procedures associated with a lobotomy, that have only 1/4 of a brain. Most have a full brain although the associated IQ may be different. That sort of eliminates most people understanding Alabama's contention that we were only a few plays away from a 10-1 season. My condolences on your surgery Rock.

In Alabama do they believe that hamburgers might have been tenderloins if they just hadn't suffered a play or two at the hands of a meat grinder?

Go back to the 78 threads bashing Stitt, the players, the recruiting, etc.,etc. There's plenty of THEM to post your negative bullshit on.

I would rather read the realistic non self aggrandizing posts than the over promoted, wising we were better pie in the sky crap that runs all over this board. Hoping the OL is better every year gets us 3-5 in conference so its time people start being more realistic instead of praying for improvement that isn't there and isn't coming anytime soon.

Explain to me how EWU went from 6-5 to 12-2, please. Last season has ZERO impact on NEXT season. If you can't see the improvement in the players that are coming up I can't help you.

Blind faith will get you nowhere. Get back to me when we are 5-6 this year

 

[rocklobster]

Go back to the 78 threads bashing Stitt, the players, the recruiting, etc.,etc. There's plenty of THEM to post your negative bullshit on.

I would rather read the realistic non self aggrandizing posts than the over promoted, wising we were better pie in the sky crap that runs all over this board. Hoping the OL is better every year gets us 3-5 in conference so its time people start being more realistic instead of praying for improvement that isn't there and isn't coming anytime soon.

Explain to me how EWU went from 6-5 to 12-2, please. Last season has ZERO impact on NEXT season. If you can't see the improvement in the players that are coming up I can't help you.

Blind faith will get you nowhere. Get back to me when we are 5-6 this year

If you truly have nothing positive to say about this team, what makes you a fan? You say "we" but don't have an ounce of support for what this coaching staff or the players are trying to achieve! You're an idiot! Talk to you when this team goes 9-2 or 10-1! And if they don't, I'm not gonna sit back eating Cheetohs (sp), drinking Lucky lager, and wishing I could have had a better intramural football career! My only solace is that I don't sit by you at Washington Grizzly, so I don't have to listen to you bitch and moan about every f@cking call! Go Griz!

 

[fanofzoo]

Maybe, I saw unicorns on MT. Jumbo.

 

[markson161]

Unfortunately it is the Stiit supporters who continually put the blame on the players and say lack of talent.
Hypocrisy at its finest

 

[AZGrizFan]

Unfortunately it is the Stiit supporters who continually put the blame on the players and say lack of talent.
Hypocrisy at its finest

Horseshit. People have been blaming the players since Delaney was here.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Go back to the 78 threads bashing Stitt, the players, the recruiting, etc.,etc. There's plenty of THEM to post your negative bullshit on.

I would rather read the realistic non self aggrandizing posts than the over promoted, wising we were better pie in the sky crap that runs all over this board. Hoping the OL is better every year gets us 3-5 in conference so its time people start being more realistic instead of praying for improvement that isn't there and isn't coming anytime soon.

Explain to me how EWU went from 6-5 to 12-2, please. Last season has ZERO impact on NEXT season. If you can't see the improvement in the players that are coming up I can't help you.

Blind faith will get you nowhere. Get back to me when we are 5-6 this year

Seriously, what's to gain by being soooooooo fucking pessimistic? What's the point? It's not "blind faith", and I'm not saying we're going 12-2, but the point is it can and does happen, routinely, so to just ASSume we're going 5-6 because we were 6-5 last year really just doesn't compute. Last year has zero, zip, nada bearing on next year's performance and results. To assume we're going to struggle next year because we struggled at the end of last year is like applying the transitive property to wins against common opponents to try and determine who's going to win a given game.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

I would rather read the realistic non self aggrandizing posts than the over promoted, wising we were better pie in the sky crap that runs all over this board. Hoping the OL is better every year gets us 3-5 in conference so its time people start being more realistic instead of praying for improvement that isn't there and isn't coming anytime soon.

Explain to me how EWU went from 6-5 to 12-2, please. Last season has ZERO impact on NEXT season. If you can't see the improvement in the players that are coming up I can't help you.

Blind faith will get you nowhere. Get back to me when we are 5-6 this year

Seriously, what's to gain by being soooooooo f***[*] pessimistic? What's the point? It's not "blind faith", and I'm not saying we're going 12-2, but the point is it can and does happen, routinely, so to just ASSume we're going 5-6 because we were 6-5 last year really just doesn't compute. Last year has zero, zip, nada bearing on next year's performance and results. To assume we're going to struggle next year because we struggled at the end of last year is like applying the transitive property to wins against common opponents to try and determine who's going to win a given game.

True Az but being overly optimistic based on last year's results is equally delusional....

 

[AZGrizFan]

Explain to me how EWU went from 6-5 to 12-2, please. Last season has ZERO impact on NEXT season. If you can't see the improvement in the players that are coming up I can't help you.

Blind faith will get you nowhere. Get back to me when we are 5-6 this year

Seriously, what's to gain by being soooooooo f***[*] pessimistic? What's the point? It's not "blind faith", and I'm not saying we're going 12-2, but the point is it can and does happen, routinely, so to just ASSume we're going 5-6 because we were 6-5 last year really just doesn't compute. Last year has zero, zip, nada bearing on next year's performance and results. To assume we're going to struggle next year because we struggled at the end of last year is like applying the transitive property to wins against common opponents to try and determine who's going to win a given game.

True Az but being overly optimistic based on last year's results is equally delusional....

Why? The players that have been brought in the past 2 1/2 classes have been phenomenal. Totally different players, totally different schedule, I see no reason not to be optimistic. Again, I'm not saying 12-2 (or 10-1 regular season), but I can't see why just because we were 6-5 THIS year people assume we're going to suck NEXT year too...

 

[Eriul]

People just have a bad taste in their mouth and want to fucking think Griz football is dead. Just ignore them.

Logically speaking... almost every single unit on the team improves this year from last and stitt is finally getting his guys. His recruiting classes have been stellar and he's been a fine coach.

I would bet every single dollar I've ever made that the Griz are better than 6-5 next year

 

[uofmman1122]

The two biggest factors are that we actually have a ton of guys coming back next year (seriously, I'm not sure people realize just how much we actually lost from 2015), and our perceived hardest games are all at home, excluding Washington and maybe WSU.

I don't see any indication that we will end up worse than last year.

 

[sdk.catfish]

Around the second page of this tread it got hi-jacked from a faulty, in my opinion, observation about the 2016 season, and turned back to the 2017 prediction thread which proved to be unproductive. A few of you with very selective memory, who are so defensive that the mere suggestion that last year wasn't so good, feel compelled to find a way to change the record in your own mind, and criticize those of us who apply more objective reasoning skills.

And then your minds really start to wander and you turn a 2016 reality check into complaints about posters bashing the coach and failure to recognize the potential talents of the 2017 class. If you go back you will see that myself and others were just poking some fun at Alabama and Rock Lobster and didn't mention anything about Stitt or the potential for 2017 to be better. If you could just leave your fantasy worlds for a short time maybe you could accept that 2016 is best forgotten. Maybe you could move on from there and accept that there are inherent strengths in the player talent and recent coaching changes, as well as more than a few challenges facing the Griz in 2017. What the yin and yang of internal struggle to maximize strengths, face the challenges, and work on weaknesses will mean for the 2017 record no one knows and there is no need to daily force overly optimistic or overly pessimistic opinions down others throats.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Around the second page of this tread it got hi-jacked from a faulty, in my opinion, observation about the 2016 season, and turned back to the 2017 prediction thread which proved to be unproductive. A few of you with very selective memory, who are so defensive that the mere suggestion that last year wasn't so good, feel compelled to find a way to change the record in your own mind, and criticize those of us who apply more objective reasoning skills.

And then your minds really start to wander and you turn a 2016 reality check into complaints about posters bashing the coach and failure to recognize the potential talents of the 2017 class. If you go back you will see that myself and others were just poking some fun at Alabama and Rock Lobster and didn't mention anything about Stitt or the potential for 2017 to be better. If you could just leave your fantasy worlds for a short time maybe you could accept that 2016 is best forgotten. Maybe you could move on from there and accept that there are inherent strengths in the player talent and recent coaching changes, as well as more than a few challenges facing the Griz in 2017. What the yin and yang of internal struggle to maximize strengths, face the challenges, and work on weaknesses will mean for the 2017 record no one knows and there is no need to daily force overly optimistic or overly pessimistic opinions down others throats.

OK, Nostradumbass. And for the record, pessimism doesn't necessary equate to "objective". :roll: :roll:

 

[bgbigdog]

People just have a bad taste in their mouth and want to f***[*] think Griz football is dead. Just ignore them.

Logically speaking... almost every single unit on the team improves this year from last and stitt is finally getting his guys. His recruiting classes have been stellar and he's been a fine coach.

I would bet every single dollar I've ever made that the Griz are better than 6-5 next year

Stitt has a signature win & loss. In between and if anything, he's proven to be an inconsistent coach, witness the last half of this past season.

A 6-5 record with a team that doesn't seem disinterested when it gets punched in the mouth wouldn't be a bad thing considering they're mostly his guys now. We'll see how stellar, but I think you should be really be hoping for a stellar coaching performance upcoming.

 

[sdk.catfish]

Postby AZGrizFan » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:58 a
OK, Nostradumbass. And for the record, pessimism doesn't necessary equate to "objective". :roll: :roll:

There is no pessimism involved when recognizing that a 6-5 record is what it is. I made no observation, optimistic or pessimistic, objective or not, regarding the 2017 season.

Here is what is frustrating, totally dumbass and demonstrates that even though some of you may have played the game you have no understanding of the game. The scenario is that your team loses a game by 6 points, failing to convert a 4th and goal from the 2 in the 4th quarter. Was that game lost by that one play alone? What about the punt your team let roll for 20 yards in the 1st quarter that flipped the field? What about the holding call in the second quarter that made it 3rd and 18 which you couldn't convert? What about the pass interference penalty in the 3rd quarter that turned a 3rd and 15 into a 1st and 10 and a subsequent score for your opponent because of poor coverage technique? Need I go on. Although some football games may appear to hinge on one play (for example the Seattle holding call eliminating the Hester punt return yesterday) they seldom do. There was a whole hell of a lot of plays that Atlanta did make and Seattle didn't that really decided the outcome. That is why Alabama's post was a ridiculous premise in the first place and your support of such a drivle makes it clear who the dumb ass's really are.

 

[kemajic]

The two biggest factors are that we actually have a ton of guys coming back next year (seriously, I'm not sure people realize just how much we actually lost from 2015), and our perceived hardest games are all at home, excluding Washington and maybe WSU.

I don't see any indication that we will end up worse than last year.

We're losing 17 seniors plus Homan. Which includes the 2 top QBs. Not so sure we lost more in 2015. The indication you need to pay attention to is the trajectory of the 2016 season. And why.

 

[uofmman1122]

The two biggest factors are that we actually have a ton of guys coming back next year (seriously, I'm not sure people realize just how much we actually lost from 2015), and our perceived hardest games are all at home, excluding Washington and maybe WSU.

I don't see any indication that we will end up worse than last year.

We're losing 17 seniors plus Homan. Which includes the 2 top QBs. Not so sure we lost more in 2015. The indication you need to pay attention to is the trajectory of the 2016 season. And why.

Only 7 of them were starters, compared to 14 that we lost after 2015.

That seems like a pretty big difference to me.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Postby AZGrizFan » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:58 a
OK, Nostradumbass. And for the record, pessimism doesn't necessary equate to "objective". :roll: :roll:

There is no pessimism involved when recognizing that a 6-5 record is what it is. I made no observation, optimistic or pessimistic, objective or not, regarding the 2017 season.

Here is what is frustrating, totally dumbass and demonstrates that even though some of you may have played the game you have no understanding of the game. The scenario is that your team loses a game by 6 points, failing to convert a 4th and goal from the 2 in the 4th quarter. Was that game lost by that one play alone? What about the punt your team let roll for 20 yards in the 1st quarter that flipped the field? What about the holding call in the second quarter that made it 3rd and 18 which you couldn't convert? What about the pass interference penalty in the 3rd quarter that turned a 3rd and 15 into a 1st and 10 and a subsequent score for your opponent because of poor coverage technique? Need I go on. Although some football games may appear to hinge on one play (for example the Seattle holding call eliminating the Hester punt return yesterday) they seldom do. There was a whole hell of a lot of plays that Atlanta did make and Seattle didn't that really decided the outcome. That is why Alabama's post was a ridiculous premise in the first place and your support of such a drivle makes it clear who the dumb ass's really are.

Thanks for stating the obvious. The fact you felt the need to explain the obvious does point out who the dumb ass is. No game hinges on one play, but when you lose 3 of 5 games by 1, 4 and 7 points, you could certainly pick out a handful of plays that could have turned any of those games into victories. The fact you want to be so literal on the concept is telling.