OK Tinkle lovers. Justify his existence please.

[mtgrizrule]

Right now, PSU is truely clicking on all cylinders, which is what teams are supposed to be doing this time of year.

PSU hung on to edge Eastern Washington by 2 points last night - at home. A win is a win I suppose, and it certainly was better than the 16 point beating they took at CS Fullerton the week before crushing the Griz.

PSU plays hot and cold, just like the Griz.

Hot and cold like the Griz? PSU is 14-2 in conference, UM is 8-8

PSU goes
HOT-HOT-HOT-HOT-HOT-HOT-cold-HOT

And UM goes
HOT-cold-HOT-cold-HOT-cold-HOT-cold.

I don't see a lot of similarities here.

What do I take from that?

Good- our next game, HOT (W), then cold, if get lucky in a struggle we will be back to HOT (and another W). I guess we better hope for our opponent to be colder in our 2nd game. :thumb:

TF pretty well hit the nail on the head about this years GRIZ though.

 

[Grizbeer]

Right now, PSU is truely clicking on all cylinders, which is what teams are supposed to be doing this time of year.

PSU hung on to edge Eastern Washington by 2 points last night - at home. A win is a win I suppose, and it certainly was better than the 16 point beating they took at CS Fullerton the week before crushing the Griz.

PSU plays hot and cold, just like the Griz.

Hot and cold like the Griz? PSU is 14-2 in conference, UM is 8-8

PSU goes
HOT-HOT-HOT-HOT-HOT-HOT-cold-HOT

And UM goes
HOT-cold-HOT-cold-HOT-cold-HOT-cold.

I don't see a lot of similarities here.

More similarities than differences, but 1 big difference - PSU knows how to win close games, UM doesn't.

PSU won 5 conference games by 3 points or less (including a 2 point win over UM). If they lose those games they are 9-7. UM lost 4 conference games by 4 points or less. They win those games and they are 12-4.

And lets not forget that the week before crushing the Griz PSU lost to CS Fullerton by 16 (in a game they trailed by 20+) - the same CS Fullerton team UM lost to by scores of 9 and 3 (in OT). The teams seem to me a lot closer than last Saturday's score would indicate.

We will see next week.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Right now, PSU is truely clicking on all cylinders, which is what teams are supposed to be doing this time of year.

PSU hung on to edge Eastern Washington by 2 points last night - at home. A win is a win I suppose, and it certainly was better than the 16 point beating they took at CS Fullerton the week before crushing the Griz.

PSU plays hot and cold, just like the Griz.

Hot and cold like the Griz? PSU is 14-2 in conference, UM is 8-8

PSU goes
HOT-HOT-HOT-HOT-HOT-HOT-cold-HOT

And UM goes
HOT-cold-HOT-cold-HOT-cold-HOT-cold.

I don't see a lot of similarities here.

More similarities than differences, but 1 big difference - PSU knows how to win close games, UM doesn't.

PSU won 5 conference games by 3 points or less (including a 2 point win over UM). If they lose those games they are 9-7. UM lost 4 conference games by 4 points or less. They win those games and they are 12-4.

And lets not forget that the week before crushing the Griz PSU lost to CS Fullerton by 16 (in a game they trailed by 20+) - the same CS Fullerton team UM lost to by scores of 9 and 3 (in OT). The teams seem to me a lot closer than last Saturday's score would indicate.

We will see next week.

If ifs and buts were berries and nuts, we'd all eat like kings.

 

[Zirg]

How about Ted Knight???

He was hilarious in Caddyshack...

and there is nothing funny about losing by 50+ at home...

How about a Fresca? good suggestion if he hadn't died 22 years ago.

Let's at least keep Tinks until his daughter officially signs with another school. Our ONLY shot (albiet probably still minute) to land Joselyn would be if her dad was still the men's coach.

If she becomes a Lady Griz and takes them to new levels, I think a couple more crappy years of men's b-ball will be worth it.

 

[beastie]

Just want to keep this towards the top of the blogs. It will be useful after Tinks coaching hits the fan tonight. I anticipate a lackluster perforamnce, but a lot of talk about "next year", after concluding a losing season.

I really do like the griz, but Tinks...is being served karma for his BS politician existance.

Big Sky girls will win, keeping him in good graces, until she announces her decision to go Pac 10.

 

[indian-outlaw]

I was a Tinkle supporter up until recently. He is a very likable guy but I think he is one stubborn sob. I wish he would realize that Andrew Strait is not the only player on the floor that can play. He has to let the players shoot if they are open and not always try to force it inside. I know we should have the advantage with our big guys but the BSC coaches haver him pegged and he is going to have to change his ways or do the duffle bag drag outta here.

 

[grizatwork]

I was a Tinkle supporter up until recently. He is a very likable guy but I think he is one stubborn sob. I wish he would realize that Andrew Strait is not the only player on the floor that can play. He has to let the players shoot if they are open and not always try to force it inside. I know we should have the advantage with our big guys but the BSC coaches haver him pegged and he is going to have to change his ways or do the duffle bag drag outta here.

I would disagree. In fact, I think that there were many times a three was put up too early in the shot clock without being run through the post.

 

[robomomo]

I will have the same expectations going into next year that I had going into this year. 20 + wins with a bsc championship and a 13-14 seed, but with Tinks at the helm I suspect the result will be the same as the last 2 years. Tinks is nothing if not consistent.

 

[grizatwork]

I will have the same expectations going into next year that I had going into this year. 20 + wins with a bsc championship and a 13-14 seed, but with Tinks at the helm I suspect the result will be the same as the last 2 years. Tinks is nothing if not consistent.

Well, he has one year left on his contract, so I guess we will have to wait and see. I expect 20 plus wins and a top 2 seed in the tournament.

 

[Mich Griz]

I would rather have Kelvin Sampson. He coached at Montana Tech way back and will need to land at school like Montana to get his second..er...third chance.

Is cell phone coverage in Montana good enough for Sampson to be able to function??

 

[PlayerRep]

Didn't WT sign his new contract last year (not when he was hired)? When did the new multi-year term start, and what was the term?

 

[Grizfan-24]

Just a few comments from afar.

1. Can't say that this season wasn't a dissapointment. I can look at the pre season prospectus and assume a couple things:
a. improved play at point guard: With Cam's year last year, there was no reason to believe that it woudl take 3/4 of the year to get consistent play at the point guard.
b. Perimeter Shooting: I would have assumed all year long that this would have been the strength of the team.
c. Leadership: With Strait, Hasquet, Martin, I would have assumed that this team would have visible on the court leadership.

Conclusion: We didn't have consistent efforts in those three catagories all year long. None of which is really coachable.

What happened:
a: Rundles was a disapointment this year. I avoid deconstructing players. I would have assumed the kid was headed for great things, and for whatever reason, he just didn't play well. I hope despite what I have heard, that he chooses to return for next year. CET grew into the role late in the year and became a go to guy later on.
b. Perimeter shooting: For a stretch between december and january, the shooting from the perimeter was horrid. Martin was bi polar from long distance adn only later in the year did Staud step up as a 'consistent' threat.
c. leadership: Comments about about the lack of fire, the lack of urgency, at times. This is part coaching but mostly players, if guys are looking to others to make plays then you have a problem. This is effort sometimes not vocal. It moves its way into other key areas, most notably rebounding. Rebounding is all about effort and desire and little about technique. If you have four guys worried about htemselves and 1 guy rebounding, you are going to have problems.

You can pull an Eddie Sutton and break out the football pads, but in the end it is effort to go up and get a ball while having a bad night. Tyler Hansborough from UNC is a perfect example. He'll sacrafice his body for that ball and look how contagious it is to the rest of the team.

Anyway, based upon what transpired this year two last comments.

1. The season ended about the way it probably shoudl have. Expectations aside, and comments about coaches aside, there were significant limitations to this team.
2. Next year: Do or die. Hasquet is a senior, the team isnt loaded but many of the basic problems coudl be answered with the additions of stockton, mcgillis and taylor. Team should be better. Team needs to develop an identity a calling card and stick with it.

I personaly think Tinks is smart enough to realize this and will make the necessary adjustments. As much as I have been around the guy, I really think he is capable of making the necessary adjustments.

 

[Forshizzlegrizzle]

Tinkle will stay the coach until his daugher committs to Montana and plays her years out.

I don't think I have ever seen a more dominate girl basketball player in the state of Montana. It would be a shame for her to go somewhere else.

 

[Kadeezy]

...listen to YourFather.

 

[evergriz]

"Didn't WT sign his new contract last year (not when he was hired)? When did the new multi-year term start, and what was the term?"

Answer: "Selvig and Tinkle's new contracts are for three years each; they're retroactive to July 1 [2006] and run through June 30, 2009."

http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2006/10/25/bnews/br43.txt

 

[Grizbacker1]

I find it interesting that some point to LK's 2 trips to the NCAA and assume he would have followed up with the same the past 2 seasons had he ramined at UM. Not so fast. George Mason is the first to take a mid-major to a Final Four in 27 years. However; they didn't make the NCAA the last couple seasons either. No, there wasn't a coaching change, in fact, their coach is the winningest coach in CAA History. Point is, assuming the Griz would have won the BSC or made 2 more trips had LK stayed is simply that, an assumption. I guess George Mason should have fired their coach eh?

 

[mtgrizrule]

I find it interesting that some point to LK's 2 trips to the NCAA and assume he would have followed up with the same the past 2 seasons had he ramined at UM. Not so fast. George Mason is the first to take a mid-major to a Final Four in 27 years. However; they didn't make the NCAA the last couple seasons either. No, there wasn't a coaching change, in fact, their coach is the winningest coach in CAA History. Point is, assuming the Griz would have won the BSC or made 2 more trips had LK stayed is simply that, an assumption. I guess George Mason should have fired their coach eh?

Good point GB, but you should know by now rules and expectations for programs/coaches here are so much higher here than elsewhere. Our coaches here are expected to win every game and win championships every year. We are the exception to common sense and expectations. :thumb: (gb my post is meant in good humor, I hope you know.)

 

[Grizbacker1]

I find it interesting that some point to LK's 2 trips to the NCAA and assume he would have followed up with the same the past 2 seasons had he ramined at UM. Not so fast. George Mason is the first to take a mid-major to a Final Four in 27 years. However; they didn't make the NCAA the last couple seasons either. No, there wasn't a coaching change, in fact, their coach is the winningest coach in CAA History. Point is, assuming the Griz would have won the BSC or made 2 more trips had LK stayed is simply that, an assumption. I guess George Mason should have fired their coach eh?

Good point GB, but you should know by now rules and expectations for programs/coaches here are so much higher here than elsewhere. Our coaches here are expected to win every game and win championships every year. We are the exception to common sense and expectations. :thumb: (gb my post is meant in good humor, I hope you know.)

I took it as such, but there really are some who think the Griz that way, which is why Griz fan is so well loved (see sarcasm) at other BSC schools. They want to complain how bad the league is, then when one of the schools has a good team, they complain because they won. There is no satisfying some.

 

[AtHomeInTheDahlbergDen]

I think the rationale many Griz fans is that when you look at the talent, facilities and the fan support... we expect to be higher than fifth out of eight teams, especially when we return the players we do.

 

[Grizbacker1]

I think the rationale many Griz fans is that when you look at the talent, facilities and the fan support... we expect to be higher than fifth out of eight teams, especially when we return the players we do.

Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't you one of the ones pointing out the lack of athleticism in the team? Combine that with no leadership, and I just don't see how this team was going to be successful. Of course, no one anticipated the loss of a couple recruits prior to the season, or the fact no one steped up to lead. Add inthe 8th best FT shooting team, and close games became an L more often than not.

I am glad the season is over and the Griz can address the deficiencies in the off season and prepare for next year. Qvale said it himself Monday that this team needs to get stronger, and tougher.