official blame stitt thread

['68griz]

You're right. Screwed up when Hauk actually got here. By the way Bobby got Ochs right off the bat, so I'm not sure how good Disney would have been (pretty sure he wasn't as good as Ochs though). Kind of like Getting Sneed (not working like the Ochs transfer)this year and running Jensen off. Probably would have run Edwards out of town if he'd still been on the team. You can look at the 03 roster (a lot of talent on it as well, it's on line for those who wanna check it) that had Hilliard, Matt Lebsock and Loren Utterback on it as Freshman. I suppose you could pretend none of those guys were going to the griz prior to Hauck being hired on 12/20/02, but I doubt that's the way it happened. Guessing they were committed already. Point is the cupboard wasn't bare like Hauck enthusiasts would like people to remember.

Looking at 2004 team that made it to NC game and it looks like around 90% of the players who contributed would have been Glenn recruits. Guessing they would have sucked if Glenn was coaching them, lucky they were coached up by Bobby. Too bad he can't work some of that magic with his current team.

Perhaps inheriting players from teams that had been to the playoffs and ranked high nationally for several years, is better than inheriting players from a team that hasn't been to the playoffs for several years and was ranked in the 30's.

Perhaps inheriting a team with no senior o-lineman and only 1 returning starter makes a difference.

Perhaps inheriting a team with very few senior starters makes a difference.

Perhaps inheriting a team with less tradition in winning conference championships and less tradition in winning games on the road, winning tough games and coming back, makes a difference.

Perhaps inheriting a team that doesn't have enough tradition in holding leads makes a difference.

I too wish Hauck was doing better, especially after the last 3 gams, but note how UM has lost the lead late in the game in 3 of its losses. I don't blame that on anyone in particular, as I don't know the situation, nor do I give the coaches a pass on that. I truly don't know the reasons.

Well, mission completely accomplished for BH. This week Montana got exactly ZERO votes in the poll. From 11th in the country to zero votes in three weeks. That has to be a record. We lost three consecutive games for the first time since 1992. 5-6 (2012's bottoming out) will look like a blessing this year. He's effectively lowered the bar to the point now where if he can go 6-5 next year people here will be singing his praises about "upward trajectories" and all that happy horseshit.

Your list is nothing but a bunch of excuses. Hawkins has UCD ready to win the conference in year two. Year TWO! With a team that's younger than ours and historically has SUCKED balls in ways way worse than your sad list of excuses. If he can do it, surely the savior BH can?

This!!!

 

[PlayerRep]

UM finished 35th in the Stats poll last season, and wasn't in the coaches poll, which ended at 35 with no one after that getting votes.

UM dropped out of the top 25 polls in late Sept. last year.

Stitt won 14 games in his last two years. Delaney won 19 in his last 2 season. Both had 3 seasons. So, Stitt's teams were declining considerably in his last two years, after taking over from Delaney.

Hauck's first 2 years are not going to be a decline of 5 wins from Stitt's last 2 years.

 

[ordigger]

UM finished 35th in the Stats poll last season, and wasn't in the coaches poll, which ended at 35 with no one after that getting votes.

UM dropped out of the top 25 polls in late Sept. last year.

Stitt won 14 games in his last two years. Delaney won 19 in his last 2 season. Both had 3 seasons. So, Stitt's teams were declining considerably in his last two years, after taking over from Delaney.

Hauck's first 2 years are not going to be a decline of 5 wins from Stitt's last 2 years.

The bar is low, he only needs 5 more wins in 14 games.

 

[indian-outlaw]

Your list is nothing but a bunch of excuses. Hawkins has UCD ready to win the conference in year two. Year TWO! With a team that's younger than ours and historically has SUCKED balls in ways way worse than your sad list of excuses. If he can do it, surely the savior BH can?

No UCD did not historically suck balls. They have traditionally been the best of the three cali schools, Cal Poly and Sac State.
Although your point is taken that Hawkins will run circles around Hauck in every aspect of the game.

 

[CFallsGriz]

Good topic. Imagine if Stitt didn't leave Bobby with such a mess. We'd have probably only given up like 42 or 44 unanswered points yesterday. Not 46. If Stitt was still the coach, we'd have given up 47 or more unanswered points and would probably have only one win. The damage Stitt did to this program by winning games will take some time to undo. Bobby is doing his absolute best with what Stitt left him.

CDA has officially jumped the shark.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Your list is nothing but a bunch of excuses. Hawkins has UCD ready to win the conference in year two. Year TWO! With a team that's younger than ours and historically has SUCKED balls in ways way worse than your sad list of excuses. If he can do it, surely the savior BH can?

No UCD did not historically suck balls. They have traditionally been the best of the three cali schools, Cal Poly and Sac State.
Although your point is taken that Hawkins will run circles around Hauck in every aspect of the game.

2012 - 4-7
2013 - 5-7
2014 - 2-9
2015 - 2-9
2016 - 3-8
2017 - 5-6

routinely behind Suck St and CP...not sure which UCD team you’re thinking of....

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Good topic. Imagine if Stitt didn't leave Bobby with such a mess. We'd have probably only given up like 42 or 44 unanswered points yesterday. Not 46. If Stitt was still the coach, we'd have given up 47 or more unanswered points and would probably have only one win. The damage Stitt did to this program by winning games will take some time to undo. Bobby is doing his absolute best with what Stitt left him.

CDA has officially jumped the shark.

Aaaayyy!

 

[PlayerRep]

Your list is nothing but a bunch of excuses. Hawkins has UCD ready to win the conference in year two. Year TWO! With a team that's younger than ours and historically has SUCKED balls in ways way worse than your sad list of excuses. If he can do it, surely the savior BH can?

No UCD did not historically suck balls. They have traditionally been the best of the three cali schools, Cal Poly and Sac State.
Although your point is taken that Hawkins will run circles around Hauck in every aspect of the game.

2012 - 4-7
2013 - 5-7
2014 - 2-9
2015 - 2-9
2016 - 3-8
2017 - 5-6

routinely behind Suck St and CP...not sure which UCD team you’re thinking of....

Davis beat Stanford during its transition period.

https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/aggies-stun-stanford-thrilling-upset

 

[grizindabox]

Your list is nothing but a bunch of excuses. Hawkins has UCD ready to win the conference in year two. Year TWO! With a team that's younger than ours and historically has SUCKED balls in ways way worse than your sad list of excuses. If he can do it, surely the savior BH can?

No UCD did not historically suck balls. They have traditionally been the best of the three cali schools, Cal Poly and Sac State.
Although your point is taken that Hawkins will run circles around Hauck in every aspect of the game.

2012 - 4-7
2013 - 5-7
2014 - 2-9
2015 - 2-9
2016 - 3-8
2017 - 5-6

routinely behind Suck St and CP...not sure which UCD team you’re thinking of....

Didn't realize that "traditionally" meant only back to 2012

 

[grizeyes]

Seriously, did we need another Stitt or Jensen thread?

Certainly not. My view is: Those losers are gone. One left us with NOTHING, and the other quit despite being given every opportunity to compete for his job. We are where we are thanks in part to those guys. There's simply nothing Bobby can do but try to ride this out with some attitutde and swag.

It beats the alternative of being 3-5 at this point, and gearing up to lose to the Cats again.

I just threw up some of my coffee....

 

[indian-outlaw]

Your list is nothing but a bunch of excuses. Hawkins has UCD ready to win the conference in year two. Year TWO! With a team that's younger than ours and historically has SUCKED balls in ways way worse than your sad list of excuses. If he can do it, surely the savior BH can?

No UCD did not historically suck balls. They have traditionally been the best of the three cali schools, Cal Poly and Sac State.
Although your point is taken that Hawkins will run circles around Hauck in every aspect of the game.

2012 - 4-7
2013 - 5-7
2014 - 2-9
2015 - 2-9
2016 - 3-8
2017 - 5-6

routinely behind Suck St and CP...not sure which UCD team you’re thinking of....

Maybe you're junior high age and historically means six years to you. They have been deep into the Div II playoff many times. They have owned Sac State head to head and also have the edge head to head against Cal Poly.
Against Cal poly 22 wins 20 losses
against Sac State 46 wins 19 losses

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Your list is nothing but a bunch of excuses. Hawkins has UCD ready to win the conference in year two. Year TWO! With a team that's younger than ours and historically has SUCKED balls in ways way worse than your sad list of excuses. If he can do it, surely the savior BH can?

No UCD did not historically suck balls. They have traditionally been the best of the three cali schools, Cal Poly and Sac State.
Although your point is taken that Hawkins will run circles around Hauck in every aspect of the game.

2012 - 4-7
2013 - 5-7
2014 - 2-9
2015 - 2-9
2016 - 3-8
2017 - 5-6

routinely behind Suck St and CP...not sure which UCD team you’re thinking of....

Maybe you're junior high age and historically means six years to you. They have been deep into the Div II playoff many times. They have owned Sac State head to head and also have the edge head to head against Cal Poly.

The ones that had never before beat the Griz?

"UC DAVIS VS. MONTANA
• Saturday's game is the eighth all-time meeting between UC Davis and Montana, and the fifth to take place in Missoula
• UC Davis has not won any of the seven previous games vs. the Grizzlies"

 

[indian-outlaw]

No UCD did not historically suck balls. They have traditionally been the best of the three cali schools, Cal Poly and Sac State.
Although your point is taken that Hawkins will run circles around Hauck in every aspect of the game.

2012 - 4-7
2013 - 5-7
2014 - 2-9
2015 - 2-9
2016 - 3-8
2017 - 5-6

routinely behind Suck St and CP...not sure which UCD team you’re thinking of....

Maybe you're junior high age and historically means six years to you. They have been deep into the Div II playoff many times. They have owned Sac State head to head and also have the edge head to head against Cal Poly.

The ones that had never before beat the Griz?

"UC DAVIS VS. MONTANA
• Saturday's game is the eighth all-time meeting between UC Davis and Montana, and the fifth to take place in Missoula
• UC Davis has not won any of the seven previous games vs. the Grizzlies"

Uh! so what.. We are 0-7 against Oregon, and 0-11 against Utah does that mean we have "historically sucked balls"? The point was that of the California schools in our conference UCD has been the best of them historically. That is just a fact.

 

[PlayerRep]

"The Aggies won 20 straight conference championships. They regularly made the national playoffs. They beat an undefeated North Dakota State team in the playoff semifinals and advanced to the national championship game.

Unfortunately, all of that is long forgotten — or unknown — history to most associated with today's UC Davis program. It happened during the school's time in NCAA Division II, which ended when the Aggies moved to Division I Football Championship Subdivision in 2004."

How about the 1899 Sewanee team. Sewanee was an original member of what became the SEC conference.

"The 1899 Sewanee Tigers football team represented Sewanee: The University of the South in the 1899 Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Association football season. Sewanee was one of the first college football powers of the South and the 1899 team in particular was very strong. The 1899 Tigers went 12–0, outscoring opponents 322 to 10, and won the Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Association (SIAA) title.

With just 13 players, the team known as the "Iron Men" had a six-day road trip with five shutout wins over Texas A&M, Texas, Tulane, LSU, and Ole Miss."

Schedule
Date Time Opponent Site Result Attendance
October 21 1:00 p.m. at Georgia Atlanta, GA W 12–0
October 23 3:30 p.m. at Georgia Tech Atlanta, GA W 32–0
October 28 Tennessee

McGee FieldSewanee, TN

W 46–0
November 3 Southwestern Presbyterian

McGee FieldSewanee, TN

W 54–0
November 9 at Texas

Athletic FieldAustin, TX

W 12–0 2,500
November 10 at Texas A&M*

Herald ParkHouston, TX

W 10–0 600
November 11 4:00 p.m. at Tulane New Orleans, LA W 23–0 ~1,000
November 13 at LSU

State FieldBaton Rouge, LA

W 34–0 2,000+
November 14 vs. Mississippi

Billings ParkMemphis, TN

W 12–0
November 20 Cumberland

McGee FieldSewanee, TN

W 71–0
November 30 2:50 p.m. vs. Auburn

Riverside ParkMontgomery, AL

W 11–10 3,000
December 2 vs. North Carolina Atlanta, GA W 5–0 2,000

*Non-conference game

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1899_Sewanee_Tigers_football_team

 

[kemajic]

You have some precedent on your side with how Bobby made the NC in year two (2004) after taking over a mess from Glenn. I've learned that Glenn left a mess that Bobby built into a winner, proving he can build a program rather than just inheriting one. But then I learned that it wasn't as bad as what Stitt left, but that Bobby can still build a program because he did it once before, but maybe not as quickly this time around, with the mess and all. I was all aboard the #RTD train in the spring, summer, and early fall, but it's now pretty obvious that Bobby is going to need some time.

No sense in changing history. Glenn left Bobby; Levander Segars, John Talmage, Trey Young, Dave Decoit, John Edwards (1 of 2 qbs to win NC as Griz), Jefferson Heidelberger, Brent Meyers, Tate Hancock, Ciche Pitcher, Colt Palmer, Shane Macintyre, Dylan McFarland, Cory Proctor, Jon Skinner, Dane Oliver, Tuff Harris, Tim Bush, Lance Spencer, Alan Saenz, Tyler Thomas and Brandon Neil. Hardly qualifies as a bare cupboard. Glenn made it to 2 national championships winning 1 and finished # 1 in the Big Sky all 3 years. He didn't recruit any kids that didn't win the Big Sky every year they were on campus with him or Bobby. I can remember reading an article early in Bobby's 1st stint where he said having as many walk ons starting as he did in his 1st year on the job didn't say much for Glenn's recruiting prowess. Kind of funny how things turned out for him later. Think 3 of the professionals he produced from Montana got nothing or next to nothing to show up to practice their 1st year. Could have lost all 3 of them to Bozeman if they'd got a good scholarship offer from the Bobcats.

Try to get your facts straight; Edward's final season was '02 after losing three of his last four games, including the streak-breaker to MSU in Missoula. Better QB Neill and Trey Young were also gone; BH inherited Jeff Disney as a QB.

He also got Craig Ochs, who wasn't shitty. Also, TB #91 never saw a QB he liked. Best Griz who ever played.

Ochs was not available until midseason.

 

[argh!]

No sense in changing history. Glenn left Bobby; Levander Segars, John Talmage, Trey Young, Dave Decoit, John Edwards (1 of 2 qbs to win NC as Griz), Jefferson Heidelberger, Brent Meyers, Tate Hancock, Ciche Pitcher, Colt Palmer, Shane Macintyre, Dylan McFarland, Cory Proctor, Jon Skinner, Dane Oliver, Tuff Harris, Tim Bush, Lance Spencer, Alan Saenz, Tyler Thomas and Brandon Neil. Hardly qualifies as a bare cupboard. Glenn made it to 2 national championships winning 1 and finished # 1 in the Big Sky all 3 years. He didn't recruit any kids that didn't win the Big Sky every year they were on campus with him or Bobby. I can remember reading an article early in Bobby's 1st stint where he said having as many walk ons starting as he did in his 1st year on the job didn't say much for Glenn's recruiting prowess. Kind of funny how things turned out for him later. Think 3 of the professionals he produced from Montana got nothing or next to nothing to show up to practice their 1st year. Could have lost all 3 of them to Bozeman if they'd got a good scholarship offer from the Bobcats.

Try to get your facts straight; Edward's final season was '02 after losing three of his last four games, including the streak-breaker to MSU in Missoula. Better QB Neill and Trey Young were also gone; BH inherited Jeff Disney as a QB.

He also got Craig Ochs, who wasn't shitty. Also, TB #91 never saw a QB he liked. Best Griz who ever played.

Ochs was not available until midseason.

well that clears that up. bobby inherited a depleted team then, just like this year.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

No sense in changing history. Glenn left Bobby; Levander Segars, John Talmage, Trey Young, Dave Decoit, John Edwards (1 of 2 qbs to win NC as Griz), Jefferson Heidelberger, Brent Meyers, Tate Hancock, Ciche Pitcher, Colt Palmer, Shane Macintyre, Dylan McFarland, Cory Proctor, Jon Skinner, Dane Oliver, Tuff Harris, Tim Bush, Lance Spencer, Alan Saenz, Tyler Thomas and Brandon Neil. Hardly qualifies as a bare cupboard. Glenn made it to 2 national championships winning 1 and finished # 1 in the Big Sky all 3 years. He didn't recruit any kids that didn't win the Big Sky every year they were on campus with him or Bobby. I can remember reading an article early in Bobby's 1st stint where he said having as many walk ons starting as he did in his 1st year on the job didn't say much for Glenn's recruiting prowess. Kind of funny how things turned out for him later. Think 3 of the professionals he produced from Montana got nothing or next to nothing to show up to practice their 1st year. Could have lost all 3 of them to Bozeman if they'd got a good scholarship offer from the Bobcats.

Try to get your facts straight; Edward's final season was '02 after losing three of his last four games, including the streak-breaker to MSU in Missoula. Better QB Neill and Trey Young were also gone; BH inherited Jeff Disney as a QB.

He also got Craig Ochs, who wasn't shitty. Also, TB #91 never saw a QB he liked. Best Griz who ever played.

Ochs was not available until midseason.

 

[PlayerRep]

Ochs started playing on Oct. 4. Played in 9 games that season. Threw 8 picks and 9 TD's. 59% and 179 passing yards per game.

Sneed's stats are a bit better this year than Ochs'. With the tough crowd on egriz now, which I think are mostly Jensen/Stitt supporters, people would be calling for Ochs' head with his "horrible" stats.

https://stats.gogriz.com/custompages/sports/m-footbl/2003-2004/plyr_7.htm

 

[AllWeatherFan]

I think people generally care more about two stats: (1) wins, and (2) losses.

 

[PlayerRep]

I think people generally care more about two stats: (1) wins, and (2) losses.

Okay, how would you rate Stitt on that? How about making the playoffs and advancing? How about winning the conference? How about beating the Cats? How about attracting recruits who can make the NFL?