official blame stitt thread

[grizindabox]

agree. it isn't hauck's fault his team is unmotivated and can't execute. don't know why anybody would blame hauck for that.

The team is very motivated and executed very well yesterday until later in the 3d q. Then, didn't take some plays they needed to make, and made some critical mistakes.

i don't think so. hauck went in to the locker room 'tight as a drum' before half time, as per his interview on tv. perhaps he passed that on to the team? they played tentatively from the very start of the 2nd half. their proverbial water just broke later in the 3rd quarter.

I think you meant “the dam broke”...I don’t think they were pregnant....

It is argh, don't ever assume anything.

 

[AZGrizFan]

The team is very motivated and executed very well yesterday until later in the 3d q. Then, didn't take some plays they needed to make, and made some critical mistakes.

i don't think so. hauck went in to the locker room 'tight as a drum' before half time, as per his interview on tv. perhaps he passed that on to the team? they played tentatively from the very start of the 2nd half. their proverbial water just broke later in the 3rd quarter.

I think you meant “the dam broke”...I don’t think they were pregnant....

It is argh, don't ever assume anything.

:lol:

 

[AZGrizFan]

The team is very motivated and executed very well yesterday until later in the 3d q. Then, didn't take some plays they needed to make, and made some critical mistakes.

i don't think so. hauck went in to the locker room 'tight as a drum' before half time, as per his interview on tv. perhaps he passed that on to the team? they played tentatively from the very start of the 2nd half. their proverbial water just broke later in the 3rd quarter.

I think you meant “the dam broke”...I don’t think they were pregnant....

It is argh, don't ever assume anything.

Then again, if they WERE pregnant it would explain a LOT.

 

[ordigger]

If posters wouldn't blame Hauck for things not in his control yet, and keep bringing up Stitt stuff and players who left the team, don't think there would be many people bringing up Stitt.

Our astute posters should stick to blaming the coaches for not making halftime adjustments when UM is up 21-3, and has held Davis to 113 yards, and keep blaming Sneed for turnovers after Davis had changed the momentum and rattled off 25 straight points. And also blaming Sneed because a lineman missed a block on his blind side and let a backer hit Sneed from behind just before he threw the ball. I suppose on occasion they could also note that Jensen, who was 11-22 passing yesterday, would have led the Griz to victory yesterday and wouldn't have been sacked 6 times.

Yet you keep bringing up Jensen who statistically overall beats Sneed, even at running the ball. Sneed is average, but the wrong choice. And I bet alone in his office, thinking of what could have been Hauck knows that, but his pride will never admit it IMo

Let's see your running stats comparison. I can assure you that Hauck doesn't wish Jensen was still here.

If he’s smart, the only person he ever admits everything to is his wife. I already showed you the stats in another thread but here are a few more to ponder..

Passing: (Juco) this year Gresch, last year Sneed

GJ: 8 games 128/220, 58.2%, 1917 yards, 239.6 yards/gm, 8.7 yds/attpt, 13 tds, 5 int, 146.3 efficiency

Sneed: 9 games 136/213, 63.8%, 1257 yards, 139.7 yds/gm, 5.9 yds/attpt, 7 tds, 11 Int, 113.9 efficiency

Rushing (Juco)

GJ: 8 gms, 44-247, 30.9 yards/gm, 5.6 yds/carry, 5 tds, 0 fumbles

Sneed: 9 gms, 79-295, 32.8 yds/gm, 3.7 yds/Carry, 1 td, 3 fumbles

I have no idea why you think the statistics by Sneed are good, average to me, and they clearly don’t show Sneed had better stats in Juco. Only completion percentage is better.

You would have a better argument if you talked more about the intangibles like Sneed is a better leader (he is older), etc. Although Fullerton is 8-0 in what some argue is the better league (I don’t know - I’m only looking at the stats).

For me the Stats show Jensen is by far the better passer, and surprisingly a better runner. However I think Sneed looks to run quicker and leave the pocket (I saw no sack numbers). Jensen also takes much better care overall with the ball, 5 TOs to 14 for Sneed

 

[AZGrizFan]

Sneed is absolutely killing us with the turnovers. They have been complete game changers the last three games.

 

[ordigger]

Last year, in 10 games (1 he didn't start), Jensen had 203 for 3.8 average and 5 TD's.

This year, Sneed has 473 for 5.3 average and 5 TD's with a long of 75. 59 per game.

Sneed averaged about 3 times as much yardage as Jensen in FCS.

Sneed's rushing is way better than Jensen's.

This year, Jensen has: 247 5.6 average 5 td's 37 long 30.9 average.

I already debunked this argument for rushing in other thread. Take away Sneed’s one big game, and he not that good. Plus you’re comparing a redshirt freshman vs a junior. That sophomore is stomping the heck out of Sneed’s sophomore Juco year

 

[PlayerRep]

Last year, in 10 games (1 he didn't start), Jensen had 203 for 3.8 average and 5 TD's.

This year, Sneed has 473 for 5.3 average and 5 TD's with a long of 75. 59 per game.

Sneed averaged about 3 times as much yardage as Jensen in FCS.

Sneed's rushing is way better than Jensen's.

This year, Jensen has: 247 5.6 average 5 td's 37 long 30.9 average.

I already debunked this argument for rushing in other thread. Take away Sneed’s one big game, and he not that good. Plus you’re comparing a redshirt freshman vs a junior. That sophomore is stomping the heck out of Sneed’s sophomore Juco year

You didn't debunk anything. Yes, we are comparing Sneed now to Jensen now and last year. That's what we're comparing. Are you admitting that Sneed is betting than Jensen now? That's what I have been arguing all along.

Why don't you back this game of Jensen's out of his season stats: 22-36 421 65 5 1.

421 yards and 5 TD's. So, instead of 1913 yards and 13 TD's, he has only 1492 yards and 8 TD's in 7 (not 8) games. 57.6%. Guess I "debunked" his stats, which weren't very good anyway.

 

[ordigger]

Last year, in 10 games (1 he didn't start), Jensen had 203 for 3.8 average and 5 TD's.

This year, Sneed has 473 for 5.3 average and 5 TD's with a long of 75. 59 per game.

Sneed averaged about 3 times as much yardage as Jensen in FCS.

Sneed's rushing is way better than Jensen's.

This year, Jensen has: 247 5.6 average 5 td's 37 long 30.9 average.

I already debunked this argument for rushing in other thread. Take away Sneed’s one big game, and he not that good. Plus you’re comparing a redshirt freshman vs a junior. That sophomore is stomping the heck out of Sneed’s sophomore Juco year

You didn't debunk anything. Yes, we are comparing Sneed now to Jensen now and last year. That's what we're comparing. Are you admitting that Sneed is betting than Jensen now? That's what I have been arguing all along.

Why don't you back this game of Jensen's out of his season stats: 22-36 421 65 5 1.

421 yards and 5 TD's. So, instead of 1913 yards and 13 TD's, he has only 1492 yards and 8 TD's in 7 (not 8) games. 57.6%. Guess I "debunked" his stats, which weren't very good anyway.

Sneed is not even the best qb in this team. He is simply god’s chosen one. Jensen beats Sneed this year, and Juco years when they played at the same class and level, and guaranteed Jensen will be much better next year. It’s simply, like Trump, you refuse to admit when you are wrong, even when the numbers are right there in front of you.

I’ve come up with a new word to describe people who evade the obvious through omission. Trumpian, a good word. A Trumpian slip. Lol

I’m done debating the obvious. Have a great week.

Btw, Jensen has barely played in two games, and he has been consistently good. Check Sneed’s Juco game log number, 1-2 decent games. If the Griz had not signed Sneed, he may be home golfing in Arizona right now. I didn’t see any other offers.

 

[argh!]

agree. it isn't hauck's fault his team is unmotivated and can't execute. don't know why anybody would blame hauck for that.

The team is very motivated and executed very well yesterday until later in the 3d q. Then, didn't take some plays they needed to make, and made some critical mistakes.

i don't think so. hauck went in to the locker room 'tight as a drum' before half time, as per his interview on tv. perhaps he passed that on to the team? they played tentatively from the very start of the 2nd half. their proverbial water just broke later in the 3rd quarter.

I think you meant “the dam broke”...I don’t think they were pregnant....

nope, no dams involved. damsels.

 

[PlayerRep]

Again, Sneed's numbers this year are better, so far, than Jensen's last year and this year. Agreed, Sneed didn't have great numbers at his JC. Sneed is a way better runner and more mobile than Jensen. From what I've heard, he's a better leader too. Humphrey seems to throw a nice ball.

Sneed is about 3d in the conference in qb stats.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Do you think motivation is the same thing as playing tentatively? Man, I don't. They are largely unrelated.

I don't think those two different things are the same thing.

An overlooked and underrated comment.

So, do you think that eating a cheeseburger and going camping are the same thing? Man, I don’t. They are largely unrelated.

 

[uncled]

Negative Nellies! I have faith that, unlike Stitt, Hauck will get it done. Next season. Book it.

You have some precedent on your side with how Bobby made the NC in year two (2004) after taking over a mess from Glenn. I've learned that Glenn left a mess that Bobby built into a winner, proving he can build a program rather than just inheriting one. But then I learned that it wasn't as bad as what Stitt left, but that Bobby can still build a program because he did it once before, but maybe not as quickly this time around, with the mess and all. I was all aboard the #RTD train in the spring, summer, and early fall, but it's now pretty obvious that Bobby is going to need some time.

No sense in changing history. Glenn left Bobby; Levander Segars, John Talmage, Trey Young, Dave Decoit, John Edwards (1 of 2 qbs to win NC as Griz), Jefferson Heidelberger, Brent Meyers, Tate Hancock, Ciche Pitcher, Colt Palmer, Shane Macintyre, Dylan McFarland, Cory Proctor, Jon Skinner, Dane Oliver, Tuff Harris, Tim Bush, Lance Spencer, Alan Saenz, Tyler Thomas and Brandon Neil. Hardly qualifies as a bare cupboard. Glenn made it to 2 national championships winning 1 and finished # 1 in the Big Sky all 3 years. He didn't recruit any kids that didn't win the Big Sky every year they were on campus with him or Bobby. I can remember reading an article early in Bobby's 1st stint where he said having as many walk ons starting as he did in his 1st year on the job didn't say much for Glenn's recruiting prowess. Kind of funny how things turned out for him later. Think 3 of the professionals he produced from Montana got nothing or next to nothing to show up to practice their 1st year. Could have lost all 3 of them to Bozeman if they'd got a good scholarship offer from the Bobcats.

 

[kemajic]

Negative Nellies! I have faith that, unlike Stitt, Hauck will get it done. Next season. Book it.

You have some precedent on your side with how Bobby made the NC in year two (2004) after taking over a mess from Glenn. I've learned that Glenn left a mess that Bobby built into a winner, proving he can build a program rather than just inheriting one. But then I learned that it wasn't as bad as what Stitt left, but that Bobby can still build a program because he did it once before, but maybe not as quickly this time around, with the mess and all. I was all aboard the #RTD train in the spring, summer, and early fall, but it's now pretty obvious that Bobby is going to need some time.

No sense in changing history. Glenn left Bobby; Levander Segars, John Talmage, Trey Young, Dave Decoit, John Edwards (1 of 2 qbs to win NC as Griz), Jefferson Heidelberger, Brent Meyers, Tate Hancock, Ciche Pitcher, Colt Palmer, Shane Macintyre, Dylan McFarland, Cory Proctor, Jon Skinner, Dane Oliver, Tuff Harris, Tim Bush, Lance Spencer, Alan Saenz, Tyler Thomas and Brandon Neil. Hardly qualifies as a bare cupboard. Glenn made it to 2 national championships winning 1 and finished # 1 in the Big Sky all 3 years. He didn't recruit any kids that didn't win the Big Sky every year they were on campus with him or Bobby. I can remember reading an article early in Bobby's 1st stint where he said having as many walk ons starting as he did in his 1st year on the job didn't say much for Glenn's recruiting prowess. Kind of funny how things turned out for him later. Think 3 of the professionals he produced from Montana got nothing or next to nothing to show up to practice their 1st year. Could have lost all 3 of them to Bozeman if they'd got a good scholarship offer from the Bobcats.

Try to get your facts straight; Edward's final season was '02 after losing three of his last four games, including the streak-breaker to MSU in Missoula. Better QB Neill and Trey Young were also gone; BH inherited Jeff Disney as a QB.

 

[uncled]

Negative Nellies! I have faith that, unlike Stitt, Hauck will get it done. Next season. Book it.

You have some precedent on your side with how Bobby made the NC in year two (2004) after taking over a mess from Glenn. I've learned that Glenn left a mess that Bobby built into a winner, proving he can build a program rather than just inheriting one. But then I learned that it wasn't as bad as what Stitt left, but that Bobby can still build a program because he did it once before, but maybe not as quickly this time around, with the mess and all. I was all aboard the #RTD train in the spring, summer, and early fall, but it's now pretty obvious that Bobby is going to need some time.

No sense in changing history. Glenn left Bobby; Levander Segars, John Talmage, Trey Young, Dave Decoit, John Edwards (1 of 2 qbs to win NC as Griz), Jefferson Heidelberger, Brent Meyers, Tate Hancock, Ciche Pitcher, Colt Palmer, Shane Macintyre, Dylan McFarland, Cory Proctor, Jon Skinner, Dane Oliver, Tuff Harris, Tim Bush, Lance Spencer, Alan Saenz, Tyler Thomas and Brandon Neil. Hardly qualifies as a bare cupboard. Glenn made it to 2 national championships winning 1 and finished # 1 in the Big Sky all 3 years. He didn't recruit any kids that didn't win the Big Sky every year they were on campus with him or Bobby. I can remember reading an article early in Bobby's 1st stint where he said having as many walk ons starting as he did in his 1st year on the job didn't say much for Glenn's recruiting prowess. Kind of funny how things turned out for him later. Think 3 of the professionals he produced from Montana got nothing or next to nothing to show up to practice their 1st year. Could have lost all 3 of them to Bozeman if they'd got a good scholarship offer from the Bobcats.

Try to get your facts straight; Edward's final season was '02 after losing three of his last four games, including the streak-breaker to MSU in Missoula. Better QB Neill and Trey Young were also gone; BH inherited Jeff Disney as a QB.

You're right. Screwed up when Hauk actually got here. By the way Bobby got Ochs right off the bat, so I'm not sure how good Disney would have been (pretty sure he wasn't as good as Ochs though). Kind of like Getting Sneed (not working like the Ochs transfer)this year and running Jensen off. Probably would have run Edwards out of town if he'd still been on the team. You can look at the 03 roster (a lot of talent on it as well, it's on line for those who wanna check it) that had Hilliard, Matt Lebsock and Loren Utterback on it as Freshman. I suppose you could pretend none of those guys were going to the griz prior to Hauck being hired on 12/20/02, but I doubt that's the way it happened. Guessing they were committed already. Point is the cupboard wasn't bare like Hauck enthusiasts would like people to remember.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Negative Nellies! I have faith that, unlike Stitt, Hauck will get it done. Next season. Book it.

You have some precedent on your side with how Bobby made the NC in year two (2004) after taking over a mess from Glenn. I've learned that Glenn left a mess that Bobby built into a winner, proving he can build a program rather than just inheriting one. But then I learned that it wasn't as bad as what Stitt left, but that Bobby can still build a program because he did it once before, but maybe not as quickly this time around, with the mess and all. I was all aboard the #RTD train in the spring, summer, and early fall, but it's now pretty obvious that Bobby is going to need some time.

No sense in changing history. Glenn left Bobby; Levander Segars, John Talmage, Trey Young, Dave Decoit, John Edwards (1 of 2 qbs to win NC as Griz), Jefferson Heidelberger, Brent Meyers, Tate Hancock, Ciche Pitcher, Colt Palmer, Shane Macintyre, Dylan McFarland, Cory Proctor, Jon Skinner, Dane Oliver, Tuff Harris, Tim Bush, Lance Spencer, Alan Saenz, Tyler Thomas and Brandon Neil. Hardly qualifies as a bare cupboard. Glenn made it to 2 national championships winning 1 and finished # 1 in the Big Sky all 3 years. He didn't recruit any kids that didn't win the Big Sky every year they were on campus with him or Bobby. I can remember reading an article early in Bobby's 1st stint where he said having as many walk ons starting as he did in his 1st year on the job didn't say much for Glenn's recruiting prowess. Kind of funny how things turned out for him later. Think 3 of the professionals he produced from Montana got nothing or next to nothing to show up to practice their 1st year. Could have lost all 3 of them to Bozeman if they'd got a good scholarship offer from the Bobcats.

Try to get your facts straight; Edward's final season was '02 after losing three of his last four games, including the streak-breaker to MSU in Missoula. Better QB Neill and Trey Young were also gone; BH inherited Jeff Disney as a QB.

He also got Craig Ochs, who wasn't shitty. Also, TB #91 never saw a QB he liked. Best Griz who ever played.

 

[grizindabox]

Sneed is not even the best qb in this team.

Curious, who is the best and what is your basis?

 

[uncled]

You have some precedent on your side with how Bobby made the NC in year two (2004) after taking over a mess from Glenn. I've learned that Glenn left a mess that Bobby built into a winner, proving he can build a program rather than just inheriting one. But then I learned that it wasn't as bad as what Stitt left, but that Bobby can still build a program because he did it once before, but maybe not as quickly this time around, with the mess and all. I was all aboard the #RTD train in the spring, summer, and early fall, but it's now pretty obvious that Bobby is going to need some time.

No sense in changing history. Glenn left Bobby; Levander Segars, John Talmage, Trey Young, Dave Decoit, John Edwards (1 of 2 qbs to win NC as Griz), Jefferson Heidelberger, Brent Meyers, Tate Hancock, Ciche Pitcher, Colt Palmer, Shane Macintyre, Dylan McFarland, Cory Proctor, Jon Skinner, Dane Oliver, Tuff Harris, Tim Bush, Lance Spencer, Alan Saenz, Tyler Thomas and Brandon Neil. Hardly qualifies as a bare cupboard. Glenn made it to 2 national championships winning 1 and finished # 1 in the Big Sky all 3 years. He didn't recruit any kids that didn't win the Big Sky every year they were on campus with him or Bobby. I can remember reading an article early in Bobby's 1st stint where he said having as many walk ons starting as he did in his 1st year on the job didn't say much for Glenn's recruiting prowess. Kind of funny how things turned out for him later. Think 3 of the professionals he produced from Montana got nothing or next to nothing to show up to practice their 1st year. Could have lost all 3 of them to Bozeman if they'd got a good scholarship offer from the Bobcats.

Try to get your facts straight; Edward's final season was '02 after losing three of his last four games, including the streak-breaker to MSU in Missoula. Better QB Neill and Trey Young were also gone; BH inherited Jeff Disney as a QB.

You're right. Screwed up when Hauk actually got here. By the way Bobby got Ochs right off the bat, so I'm not sure how good Disney would have been (pretty sure he wasn't as good as Ochs though). Kind of like Getting Sneed (not working like the Ochs transfer)this year and running Jensen off. Probably would have run Edwards out of town if he'd still been on the team. You can look at the 03 roster (a lot of talent on it as well, it's on line for those who wanna check it) that had Hilliard, Matt Lebsock and Loren Utterback on it as Freshman. I suppose you could pretend none of those guys were going to the griz prior to Hauck being hired on 12/20/02, but I doubt that's the way it happened. Guessing they were committed already. Point is the cupboard wasn't bare like Hauck enthusiasts would like people to remember.

Looking at 2004 team that made it to NC game and it looks like around 90% of the players who contributed would have been Glenn recruits. Guessing they would have sucked if Glenn was coaching them, lucky they were coached up by Bobby. Too bad he can't work some of that magic with his current team.

 

[PlayerRep]

No sense in changing history. Glenn left Bobby; Levander Segars, John Talmage, Trey Young, Dave Decoit, John Edwards (1 of 2 qbs to win NC as Griz), Jefferson Heidelberger, Brent Meyers, Tate Hancock, Ciche Pitcher, Colt Palmer, Shane Macintyre, Dylan McFarland, Cory Proctor, Jon Skinner, Dane Oliver, Tuff Harris, Tim Bush, Lance Spencer, Alan Saenz, Tyler Thomas and Brandon Neil. Hardly qualifies as a bare cupboard. Glenn made it to 2 national championships winning 1 and finished # 1 in the Big Sky all 3 years. He didn't recruit any kids that didn't win the Big Sky every year they were on campus with him or Bobby. I can remember reading an article early in Bobby's 1st stint where he said having as many walk ons starting as he did in his 1st year on the job didn't say much for Glenn's recruiting prowess. Kind of funny how things turned out for him later. Think 3 of the professionals he produced from Montana got nothing or next to nothing to show up to practice their 1st year. Could have lost all 3 of them to Bozeman if they'd got a good scholarship offer from the Bobcats.

Try to get your facts straight; Edward's final season was '02 after losing three of his last four games, including the streak-breaker to MSU in Missoula. Better QB Neill and Trey Young were also gone; BH inherited Jeff Disney as a QB.

You're right. Screwed up when Hauk actually got here. By the way Bobby got Ochs right off the bat, so I'm not sure how good Disney would have been (pretty sure he wasn't as good as Ochs though). Kind of like Getting Sneed (not working like the Ochs transfer)this year and running Jensen off. Probably would have run Edwards out of town if he'd still been on the team. You can look at the 03 roster (a lot of talent on it as well, it's on line for those who wanna check it) that had Hilliard, Matt Lebsock and Loren Utterback on it as Freshman. I suppose you could pretend none of those guys were going to the griz prior to Hauck being hired on 12/20/02, but I doubt that's the way it happened. Guessing they were committed already. Point is the cupboard wasn't bare like Hauck enthusiasts would like people to remember.

Looking at 2004 team that made it to NC game and it looks like around 90% of the players who contributed would have been Glenn recruits. Guessing they would have sucked if Glenn was coaching them, lucky they were coached up by Bobby. Too bad he can't work some of that magic with his current team.

Perhaps inheriting players from teams that had been to the playoffs and ranked high nationally for several years, is better than inheriting players from a team that hasn't been to the playoffs for several years and was ranked in the 30's.

Perhaps inheriting a team with no senior o-lineman and only 1 returning starter makes a difference.

Perhaps inheriting a team with very few senior starters makes a difference.

Perhaps inheriting a team with less tradition in winning conference championships and less tradition in winning games on the road, winning tough games and coming back, makes a difference.

Perhaps inheriting a team that doesn't have enough tradition in holding leads makes a difference.

I too wish Hauck was doing better, especially after the last 3 gams, but note how UM has lost the lead late in the game in 3 of its losses. I don't blame that on anyone in particular, as I don't know the situation, nor do I give the coaches a pass on that. I truly don't know the reasons.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Try to get your facts straight; Edward's final season was '02 after losing three of his last four games, including the streak-breaker to MSU in Missoula. Better QB Neill and Trey Young were also gone; BH inherited Jeff Disney as a QB.

You're right. Screwed up when Hauk actually got here. By the way Bobby got Ochs right off the bat, so I'm not sure how good Disney would have been (pretty sure he wasn't as good as Ochs though). Kind of like Getting Sneed (not working like the Ochs transfer)this year and running Jensen off. Probably would have run Edwards out of town if he'd still been on the team. You can look at the 03 roster (a lot of talent on it as well, it's on line for those who wanna check it) that had Hilliard, Matt Lebsock and Loren Utterback on it as Freshman. I suppose you could pretend none of those guys were going to the griz prior to Hauck being hired on 12/20/02, but I doubt that's the way it happened. Guessing they were committed already. Point is the cupboard wasn't bare like Hauck enthusiasts would like people to remember.

Looking at 2004 team that made it to NC game and it looks like around 90% of the players who contributed would have been Glenn recruits. Guessing they would have sucked if Glenn was coaching them, lucky they were coached up by Bobby. Too bad he can't work some of that magic with his current team.

Perhaps inheriting players from teams that had been to the playoffs and ranked high nationally for several years, is better than inheriting players from a team that hasn't been to the playoffs for several years and was ranked in the 30's.

Perhaps inheriting a team with no senior o-lineman and only 1 returning starter makes a difference.

Perhaps inheriting a team with very few senior starters makes a difference.

Perhaps inheriting a team with less tradition in winning conference championships and less tradition in winning games on the road, winning tough games and coming back, makes a difference.

Perhaps inheriting a team that doesn't have enough tradition in holding leads makes a difference.

I too wish Hauck was doing better, especially after the last 3 gams, but note how UM has lost the lead late in the game in 3 of its losses. I don't blame that on anyone in particular, as I don't know the situation, nor do I give the coaches a pass on that. I truly don't know the reasons.

Well, mission completely accomplished for BH. This week Montana got exactly ZERO votes in the poll. From 11th in the country to zero votes in three weeks. That has to be a record. We lost three consecutive games for the first time since 1992. 5-6 (2012's bottoming out) will look like a blessing this year. He's effectively lowered the bar to the point now where if he can go 6-5 next year people here will be singing his praises about "upward trajectories" and all that happy horseshit.

Your list is nothing but a bunch of excuses. Hawkins has UCD ready to win the conference in year two. Year TWO! With a team that's younger than ours and historically has SUCKED balls in ways way worse than your sad list of excuses. If he can do it, surely the savior BH can?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

You're right. Screwed up when Hauk actually got here. By the way Bobby got Ochs right off the bat, so I'm not sure how good Disney would have been (pretty sure he wasn't as good as Ochs though). Kind of like Getting Sneed (not working like the Ochs transfer)this year and running Jensen off. Probably would have run Edwards out of town if he'd still been on the team. You can look at the 03 roster (a lot of talent on it as well, it's on line for those who wanna check it) that had Hilliard, Matt Lebsock and Loren Utterback on it as Freshman. I suppose you could pretend none of those guys were going to the griz prior to Hauck being hired on 12/20/02, but I doubt that's the way it happened. Guessing they were committed already. Point is the cupboard wasn't bare like Hauck enthusiasts would like people to remember.

Looking at 2004 team that made it to NC game and it looks like around 90% of the players who contributed would have been Glenn recruits. Guessing they would have sucked if Glenn was coaching them, lucky they were coached up by Bobby. Too bad he can't work some of that magic with his current team.

Perhaps inheriting players from teams that had been to the playoffs and ranked high nationally for several years, is better than inheriting players from a team that hasn't been to the playoffs for several years and was ranked in the 30's.

Perhaps inheriting a team with no senior o-lineman and only 1 returning starter makes a difference.

Perhaps inheriting a team with very few senior starters makes a difference.

Perhaps inheriting a team with less tradition in winning conference championships and less tradition in winning games on the road, winning tough games and coming back, makes a difference.

Perhaps inheriting a team that doesn't have enough tradition in holding leads makes a difference.

I too wish Hauck was doing better, especially after the last 3 gams, but note how UM has lost the lead late in the game in 3 of its losses. I don't blame that on anyone in particular, as I don't know the situation, nor do I give the coaches a pass on that. I truly don't know the reasons.

Well, mission completely accomplished for BH. This week Montana got exactly ZERO votes in the poll. From 11th in the country to zero votes in three weeks. That has to be a record. We lost three consecutive games for the first time since 1992. 5-6 (2012's bottoming out) will look like a blessing this year. He's effectively lowered the bar to the point now where if he can go 6-5 next year people here will be singing his praises about "upward trajectories" and all that happy horseshit.

Your list is nothing but a bunch of excuses. Hawkins has UCD ready to win the conference in year two. Year TWO! With a team that's younger than ours and historically has SUCKED balls in ways way worse than your sad list of excuses. If he can do it, surely the savior BH can?

I don't know what everyone expected. Now that we are 4-4 with losses to PSU and UC Davis and a blowout loss to UND, this is exactly where I thought we'd be. You can't just take over a 7-4 team that had a loss to #7 Washington and perform miracles like not getting blown out by UND and not losing to PSU at home on homecoming.