Nuanez Now Interview With Kent Haslam

[mthoopsfan]

Guess it depends how a judge would look at that but I feel like UM has a decent case for fighting it. Plus if Illinois is really gonna squawk at paying a $250k buyout, then they're the cheapskates in the Big Ten.

No, it doesn't depend on how a judge would look at it. It depends on the facts. And, it would be a mediation, I believe, and not a court case. No judge involved. You are in over your head on this subject and are talking nonsense.


Look at the timeline from the Ill coach. No way UM has a decent case or anything at all, if the Ill coach timeline is true. HIs timeline fits with most of the other information that has been posted on egriz by a handful of posters. Give it a rest.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I think it is a difficult path for UM to collect.

The situation, as you know, has nothing to do with whether BH retired or not, or what he said. It depends on the facts. Did he get the job before he informed UM, or not? And, as I have said, the liquidated damages clause is written so poorly that it doesn't even say who is supposed to pay it. Legal malpractice if a lawyer looked at that for UM.

 

[Griz til I die]

No, it doesn't depend on how a judge would look at it. It depends on the facts. And, it would be a mediation, I believe, and not a court case. No judge involved. You are in over your head on this subject and are talking nonsense.


Look at the timeline from the Ill coach. No way UM has a decent case or anything at all, if the Ill coach timeline is true. HIs timeline fits with most of the other information that has been posted on egriz by a handful of posters. Give it a rest.

That right there is the key phrase. How do you know he’s telling the truth? I tend to think the whole situation seems fishy. I know you wanna defend your lover boy Bobby to the ends of the earth, but the fact of the matter is he was retired for all 5 days and now he’s coaching. That’s not a retirement, that’s a job change. What’s more important to you? Your friend Bobby, or UM’s best interest? I know UM could really use that buyout money, and I’m not sure it’s as simple as you want it to be!

 

[Mavman]

Milquetoast incompetent idiot. It’s pathetic that some Griz fans think we can’t do better than this guy

What did you think of Haslam in the interview though???

 

[mthoopsfan]

That right there is the key phrase. How do you know he’s telling the truth? I tend to think the whole situation seems fishy. I know you wanna defend your lover boy Bobby to the ends of the earth, but the fact of the matter is he was retired for all 5 days and now he’s coaching. That’s not a retirement, that’s a job change. What’s more important to you? Your friend Bobby, or UM’s best interest? I know UM could really use that buyout money, and I’m not sure it’s as simple as you want it to be!

I am a former lawyer, I know the law, and I want to know (and think I know) the facts. Sorry but fishy doesn't help or win the day in contract law or in disputes. If you think it does, you are totally out to lunch.

 

[gotgame75]

I think it is a difficult path for UM to collect.

Based on all your decades of legal experience in contract law or what?

 

[Griz til I die]

I am a former lawyer, I know the law, and I want to know (and think I know) the facts. Sorry but fishy doesn't help or win the day in contract law or in disputes. If you think it does, you are totally out to lunch.

Ok here’s some facts for you. He didn’t retire, he took a new job. I don’t give a shit what he said at his press conference. I guess we’ll see how the disputes play out but it seems pretty clear cut to me!

 

[mthoopsfan]

Ok here’s some facts for you. He didn’t retire, he took a new job. I don’t give a shit what he said at his press conference. I guess we’ll see how the disputes play out but it seems pretty clear cut to me!

Here's some facts for you. He took a new job AFTER he retired from UM. He is allowed to do that.

He retired and gave notice to UM. Later, the Ill coach found out that his expected AD was not going to take the job. The Ill coach then saw that Hauck had retired. He contacted Hauck. There was a delay of a day or two. Then they talked again and Hauck was hired. This is consistent with what has been said by the parties. The contract specifically says that he can retire (and then the liquidated damages clause doesn't apply).

Look at the contract. It doesn't prevent or prohibit Hauck from retiring or taking a new job. He's not supposed to actively look for a new job while employed by UM, without permission from the AD. The liquidated damages clause is not tied to that covenant not to seek a job. The only remedy would be an action for damages. What would the damages be?

"8. OTHER EMPLOYMENT. a. If more than six months remain of the term of this Agreement or any extension thereof, Coach agrees that he will not actively seek, negotiate for or accept other employment of an athletic nature without the prior permission of the Director of Athletics or the President of UM...."

"c. Coach may terminate this Agreement for any reason upon written notice to University. If such termination (other than by reason of retirement, death, disability, or incapacity) occurs during the term of this contract or any extension hereof, the University shall receive as liquidated damages an amount equal to Coach's Base Salary at the time of termination, multiplied by the number of years remaining ...."

[Again, the contract says the U shall receive liquidated damages, but doesn't say who is supposed to pay. Horrible drafting and failure to properly review the contract.]

 

[Griz til I die]

Here's some facts for you. He took a new job AFTER he retired from UM. He is allowed to do that.

He retired and gave notice to UM. Later, the Ill coach found out that his expected AD was not going to take the job. The Ill coach then saw that Hauck had retired. He contacted Hauck. There was a delay of a day or two. Then they talked again and Hauck was hired. This is consistent with what has been said by the parties. The contract specifically says that he can retire (and then the liquidated damages clause doesn't apply).

Look at the contract. It doesn't prevent or prohibit Hauck from retiring or taking a new job. He's not supposed to actively look for a new job while employed by UM, without permission from the AD. The liquidated damages clause is not tied to that covenant not to seek a job. The only remedy would be an action for damages. What would the damages be?

"8. OTHER EMPLOYMENT. a. If more than six months remain of the term of this Agreement or any extension thereof, Coach agrees that he will not actively seek, negotiate for or accept other employment of an athletic nature without the prior permission of the Director of Athletics or the President of UM...."

"c. Coach may terminate this Agreement for any reason upon written notice to University. If such termination (other than by reason of retirement, death, disability, or incapacity) occurs during the term of this contract or any extension hereof, the University shall receive as liquidated damages an amount equal to Coach's Base Salary at the time of termination, multiplied by the number of years remaining ...."

[Again, the contract says the U shall receive liquidated damages, but doesn't say who is supposed to pay. Horrible drafting and failure to properly review the contract.]

Idk why Haslam would try and fight it then if it’s as clear cut as you say it is. Good thing Haslam isn’t hiring you as his attorney.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Idk why Haslam would try and fight it then if it’s as clear cut as you say it is. Good thing Haslam isn’t hiring you as his attorney.

What has Haslam said?

I agree that UM has no reason to fight anything assuming what the Ill coach said are the facts. Which is consistent with what Oredigger and a few other posters have said.

 

[mthoopsfan]

"He later said Thursday that he had not talked with Hauck until Feb. 5. He added that they talked again Feb. 6 and booked Hauck a plane ticket to Illinois on Feb. 7. Hauck said they "were talking pretty serious by Sunday (Feb. 8)."

He flew to Illinois on Monday and was announced as the hire that afternoon.

Hauck said he didn't think he was done with coaching when he left UM and added that he got "quite a few calls right away" about other coaching offers. Those included two opportunities with NFL teams for special teams or defense, Bielema said he learned from Hauck during their phone call Feb. 5.

Bielema noted he was worried Hauck took one of those jobs when he couldn't reach him Feb. 6. He added that he later learned the unanswered calls were because Hauck was out of cell phone service while fishing in Montana.

Bielema said he doesn't have his coordinators on the road recruiting any longer. Instead, he sends his recruiting coaches out."

Why ex-Grizzlies head coach Bobby Hauck took Illinois defensive coordinator job

Former Grizzlies head coach Bobby Hauck and current Illinois head coach Bret Bielema talk about the former being hired as defensive coordinator.

missoulian.com

 

[indiancoyote]

Here's some facts for you. He took a new job AFTER he retired from UM. He is allowed to do that.

He retired and gave notice to UM. Later, the Ill coach found out that his expected AD was not going to take the job. The Ill coach then saw that Hauck had retired. He contacted Hauck. There was a delay of a day or two. Then they talked again and Hauck was hired. This is consistent with what has been said by the parties. The contract specifically says that he can retire (and then the liquidated damages clause doesn't apply).

Look at the contract. It doesn't prevent or prohibit Hauck from retiring or taking a new job. He's not supposed to actively look for a new job while employed by UM, without permission from the AD. The liquidated damages clause is not tied to that covenant not to seek a job. The only remedy would be an action for damages. What would the damages be?

"8. OTHER EMPLOYMENT. a. If more than six months remain of the term of this Agreement or any extension thereof, Coach agrees that he will not actively seek, negotiate for or accept other employment of an athletic nature without the prior permission of the Director of Athletics or the President of UM...."

"c. Coach may terminate this Agreement for any reason upon written notice to University. If such termination (other than by reason of retirement, death, disability, or incapacity) occurs during the term of this contract or any extension hereof, the University shall receive as liquidated damages an amount equal to Coach's Base Salary at the time of termination, multiplied by the number of years remaining ...."

[Again, the contract says the U shall receive liquidated damages, but doesn't say who is supposed to pay. Horrible drafting and failure to properly review the contract.]

You have access to BH's text messages? UM may find out he was looking for lots of jobs.

 

[mthoopsfan]

You have access to BH's text messages? UM may find out he was looking for lots of jobs.

Feel free to provide the actual evidence, of which there is none, that BH was looking for lots of jobs. I am going by what the Ill coach, BH, the articles, and posters discussing the offer to the Seattle coach, say. All of that would have to be wrong, and people lying, for your theory to be credible. Once again, you have nothing.

 

[Downwiththefoe1984]

Snoozey Kent .

 

[MontanaGrizSoccer]

Next time Montana Sports interviews Kent, press him on the soccer facilities. I know Kent mentioned soccer donors are/have stepped up, we need more clarification on this.

There have been many accusations made that the current locker room should be condemned and did pass city inspections, is this true. In Kent's letter he mentioned the soccer locker room would be getting upgraded. When, are there dates, are there renderings. Is there a 3D video that can be posted on the Montana Soccer twitter account - another way to bring in recruits.

With lights, is there a lighting plan which will tell us the costs of lights so it be fundraised. Seems all easy stuff to answers to.

 

[5280Griz]

Feel free to provide the actual evidence, of which there is none, that BH was looking for lots of jobs. I am going by what the Ill coach, BH, the articles, and posters discussing the offer to the Seattle coach, say. All of that would have to be wrong, and people lying, for your theory to be credible. Once again, you have nothing.

BH doesn’t need to be looking for lots of jobs. He is a very accomplished coach and opportunities were going to come his way as soon as he retired. I heard he had a couple NFL special teams opportunities that he turned down for the Illinois DC opportunity. It is an exciting time at Illinois currently. The past 2 years have been the most success the football team has had in a long time.

 

[mthoopsfan]

BH doesn’t need to be looking for lots of jobs. He is a very accomplished coach and opportunities were going to come his way as soon as he retired. I heard he had a couple NFL special teams opportunities that he turned down for the Illinois DC opportunity. It is an exciting time at Illinois currently. The past 2 years have been the most success the football team has had in a long time.

True. But the contract is breached by lining up a coach job ahead of retirement. Damages.

 

[5280Griz]

True. But the contract is breached by lining up a coach job ahead of retirement. Damages.

The point is the contract wasn’t breached because BH didn’t and had no reason to line up a coaching job ahead of retirement. My opinion is BH wanted to sit out this season before coaching again but the Illinois opportunity was too good to pass up. That’s just my opinion.