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now NCAA investigation......

oh..and i'm not disputing BH brought in more than a share of bad apples...what im arguing is, Growler said he specifically won with questionable players, and sold his soul, and i am disputing that, since dudes like Freeman, Jefferson, Pate and Lyle Brown NEVER helped the Griz win any games.
 
havgrizfan said:
i was a student at UM from 94-97 and there were A LOT OF OFF THE FIELD ISSUES WITH PLAYERS THEN...there was not..twitter, online news services, cell phones, internet (much), facebook and every other social and mass media tool there is today...those of you who think these issues didn't exist under don read and joe glenn are either MORONS, or you believe that it didn't matter because it didn't end up in the paper or in the police report which makes you from the school of "what people don't know won't hurt them"..and that's no better a philosophy imo...

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WyomingGrizFan said:
OptimusPrime said:
Growler1 said:
grizzpaw said:
i don't like msu and i don't think it's as good as montana tech for education but it is FAR from a second rate education!


MSU education is a joke
I wish you had attended MSU, then you would have been able to take "How Not to Pick Your Ass in Public 101" that all freshman are required to enroll in. It's pretty much pass/fail. :thumb:

I wonder if "Growler1" takes into consideration the total amount of financial grants, research aids, that MSU has received, that is to say, earned, over the past five or ten years? Pretty impressive, if you ask me. IMHO


You are from Wyoming. What would you know about a quality education? Just sayin'. So, government grants are a measuring stick for a quality educations? Please. Obama throws money around like it is confetti. I'm sure MSU got their share too.
 
PTGrizzly said:
PlayerRep said:
Growler1 said:
PlayerRep said:
These 3 guys combined for 1 start, and that was only because Hilliard missed a game due to surgery. Those 3 had zero to do with UM's success. Coleman was thoroughly checked out, and had recommendations from the head coaches of various Big 10 and Big 12 coaches. One of them had not been in legal trouble previously.

Who gives a sh*t about how many games they started, or how much they "contributed"!!! They were thugs, kicked off of IA teams because THEY WERE THUGS. Yet your boy Bobby took them in with open arms. The reason they didn't get to play, is because they committed criminal activities as soon as they hit campus, and were dismissed! Hello!

If you were any more stupid, you would have to watered twice a week! You are one of the main reasons that UM is facing the problems it is! Yeah YOU, big guy! You continue to be an apologist for Hauck, the criminal element on the team, etc. Why don't you find a new team to foster your agenda? You are not an alum, and have no connection to UM other than to try to be a big-dick insider.

HavGriz knew that you couldn't name anyone who was an important player, and that this would undercut your theory. The one AZ guy hadn't committed any criminal activities. I support the team against liars like yourself. I have no agenda, but support the team against liars like yourself. You are one of the two posters on egriz that alot of former players think is a total dickhead. Congrats. You must make your daughter proud. Ha=ha. She must be so embarrassed of you, just like your son was when he was here.

You are aware that you're the other one, right?

I love it how this pencil dick Playa Rape throws my son and daughter around in the discussion, like he freakin' has a clue what they think. I just got off the phone with my son, who roomed with two former starting defensive players, and he confirmed that Playa Rape is a standing joke among the players. Nice try, dumbass. You just confirmed that you are the stalker that everyone knows you are. What, do you follow her around town too like you do the players? I'll be sure and warm my daughter to watch out for you, creep.
 
OptimusPrime said:
Growler1 said:
grizzpaw said:
ilovethecats said:
:clap:
point proven..... :thumb:


i don't like msu and i don't think it's as good as montana tech for education but it is FAR from a second rate education!


MSU education is a joke
I wish you had attended MSU, then you would have been able to take "How Not to Pick Your Ass in Public 101" that all freshman are required to enroll in. It's pretty much pass/fail. :thumb:

And you would fail. Not manly enough to pick your ass. You prefer to pick your vagina, I am told.
 
PTGrizzly said:
Growler1 said:
grizzpaw said:
ilovethecats said:
:clap:
point proven..... :thumb:


i don't like msu and i don't think it's as good as montana tech for education but it is FAR from a second rate education!


MSU education is a joke

http://www.montana.edu/cpa/news/nwview.php?article=11094" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

engineers are pencil-protector geeks. too many of them around anyway. who cares about their engineering program? I have employed quite a few of them over the years out of necessity. But I would never hang-out with them in public.
 
Growler1 said:
OptimusPrime said:
Growler1 said:
grizzpaw said:
i don't like msu and i don't think it's as good as montana tech for education but it is FAR from a second rate education!


MSU education is a joke
I wish you had attended MSU, then you would have been able to take "How Not to Pick Your Ass in Public 101" that all freshman are required to enroll in. It's pretty much pass/fail. :thumb:

And you would fail. Not manly enough to pick your ass. You prefer to pick your vagina, I am told.
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OptimusPrime said:
Growler1 said:
OptimusPrime said:
Growler1 said:
MSU education is a joke
I wish you had attended MSU, then you would have been able to take "How Not to Pick Your Ass in Public 101" that all freshman are required to enroll in. It's pretty much pass/fail. :thumb:

And you would fail. Not manly enough to pick your ass. You prefer to pick your vagina, I am told.
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MinimusPrime, don't try to run with the big dogs when your ilk is Yorkies. You just embarrass yourself and look like an easy mark.
 
Growler1 said:
OptimusPrime said:
Growler1 said:
OptimusPrime said:
I wish you had attended MSU, then you would have been able to take "How Not to Pick Your Ass in Public 101" that all freshman are required to enroll in. It's pretty much pass/fail. :thumb:

And you would fail. Not manly enough to pick your ass. You prefer to pick your vagina, I am told.
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MinimusPrime, don't try to run with the big dogs when your ilk is Yorkies. You just embarrass yourself and look like an easy mark.
By doing what?
 
Growler1 said:
PTGrizzly said:
Growler1 said:
grizzpaw said:
i don't like msu and i don't think it's as good as montana tech for education but it is FAR from a second rate education!


MSU education is a joke

http://www.montana.edu/cpa/news/nwview.php?article=11094" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

engineers are pencil-protector geeks. too many of them around anyway. who cares about their engineering program? I have employed quite a few of them over the years out of necessity. But I would never hang-out with them in public.

So I dont have to worry about you hanging out with me? lol....not to many pencils in the oil patch. But the irony is that Tech dropouts consistently went to both UM and MSU....and excelled. Had a professor once tell me that if I could get a C in his class, I would remember his class more than an A in someone else's 20 years later. Dang if he wasnt right....thanks Doc Rock.

Point is grades dont really mean much in the real world. Knowledge truly is power.
 
Growler1 said:
grizzpaw said:
ilovethecats said:
Growler1 said:
That's what happens to those who get an inferiority complex because of a second-rate education at MSU.
:clap:
point proven..... :thumb:


i don't like msu and i don't think it's as good as montana tech for education but it is FAR from a second rate education!


MSU education is a joke

You are the epitome of a joke Dill. I can't stand many of the aholes from bozoville, but they have a fine school. The engineering program has produced many who have gone on to do some great things. The only thing you ever do is brag about things that never happenned. Do I have to post all of them for you so you can remember all the lies you have posted on this and other boards? loser
 
Growler1 said:
WyomingGrizFan said:
OptimusPrime said:
Growler1 said:
MSU education is a joke
I wish you had attended MSU, then you would have been able to take "How Not to Pick Your Ass in Public 101" that all freshman are required to enroll in. It's pretty much pass/fail. :thumb:

I wonder if "Growler1" takes into consideration the total amount of financial grants, research aids, that MSU has received, that is to say, earned, over the past five or ten years? Pretty impressive, if you ask me. IMHO


You are from Wyoming. What would you know about a quality education? Just sayin'. So, government grants are a measuring stick for a quality educations? Please. Obama throws money around like it is confetti. I'm sure MSU got their share too.

Buddy of mine went to Wyoming. Geo engineering, making 200k 3 yrs since graduating. :roll:
 
Grizbacker1 said:
Growler1 said:
grizzpaw said:
ilovethecats said:
:clap:
point proven..... :thumb:


i don't like msu and i don't think it's as good as montana tech for education but it is FAR from a second rate education!


MSU education is a joke

You are the epitome of a joke Dill. I can't stand many of the aholes from bozoville, but they have a fine school. The engineering program has produced many who have gone on to do some great things. The only thing you ever do is brag about things that never happenned. Do I have to post all of them for you so you can remember all the lies you have posted on this and other boards? loser

Yeah, you know everything about my life, right stalker? You and your short-peckered buddy Playa Rape should become priests, so you would have better access to the boys. Yeah, why don't you amuse us once again with your jealous rants about my numerous life accomplishments. We all know you have a photographic memory. Trouble is, the lens cap remains glued on. :thumb:
 
OptimusPrime said:
Growler1 said:
OptimusPrime said:
Growler1 said:
And you would fail. Not manly enough to pick your ass. You prefer to pick your vagina, I am told.
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MinimusPrime, don't try to run with the big dogs when your ilk is Yorkies. You just embarrass yourself and look like an easy mark.
By doing what?

By being stupid enough to attend MSU for one......... need I go on?
 
Growler1 said:
OptimusPrime said:
Growler1 said:
OptimusPrime said:
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MinimusPrime, don't try to run with the big dogs when your ilk is Yorkies. You just embarrass yourself and look like an easy mark.
By doing what?

By being stupid enough to attend MSU for one......... need I go on?
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I requested and recieved a copy of the original NCAA letter sent to Royce Engstron from the BOR as is my right under the Montana Constitution.

Here is the actual letter copied and pasted onto this site. If you want me to email the original to you PM me thanks. This copied version is kind of wonky but you get the idea.


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P.O. Box6222
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Telephone: 317/917-6222
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President Royce Engstrom
University ofMontana
32 Campus Drive
Missoula, Montana 59812
RE: Notice of lnquiry, University ofMontana, Case No. M377.
Dear President Engstrom:

The purpose of this letter is to advise you that the NCAA has begun an investigation into the institution's football program in accordance with the provisions of NCAA Bylaw 32.5 of the NCAA enforcement procedures. This will confirm that Stephanie Harmah, director of enforcement, and Nathan Leffler, assistant director of enforcement, will coordinate the processing of this case on behalf of the NCAA. It is the present intention of the enforcement staff to complete this investigation during the spring of 2012.
At this time, the possible violations primarily involve the football program. However, please note that new IDformation often is developed during an investigation that leads to expanded inquiries. In the event such information is developed, you will be kept informed insofar as possible. Also, in accordance with Bylaws 32.5.1.1 and 32.5.1.2, the general status of this quiry will be reported to you in writing at the end ofsix·month intervals. The date ofyour first six·month reporting period will begin with the date of this letter.
The bylaws also indicate that you may request a meeting with the enforcement staff to discuss the inquiry in more detail. If you are interested in scheduling such a meeting, please contact Ms. Hannah or Mr. Leffler at 317/917-6222.

The institution and any individual my be represented by legal counsel at all stages of the proceedings. In addition, this letter is designed to assist the institution in understan.ding the enforcement staff's expectations relating to obligations imposed by NCAA Bylaw 32.1.4, the Cooperative Principle. Please note that should this matter come before the NCAA Committee on Infractions, the enforcement staff may be asked to comment on the level of cooperation exhibited by the institution during the inquiry. ·
The cooperative principle in Bylaw 32.1.4 can be broken down into two primary duties: (1) the duty to develop full information and (2) the duty to protect the integrity of the investigation.

National Collegiate Athletic Assoc ation

An association of over 1,200 members serving the student-athlete

Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer

FAX No. P. 003

President Royce Engstrom

January 30, 2012

Page No.2



Duty to develop full information

"The cooperative principle imposes an afftrmative obligation on each institution to assist the enforcement staff in developing full information to determine whether a possible violation of NCAA legislation bas occurred and the details thereof." The key to this duty is that an institution is expected to assist in the development of complete facts regardless the potential impact those facts may ha·v-e on the institution's interests. For example, if institutional representatives are present during interviews, those representatives are expected to ask probative questions designed to elicit full and complete information. If institutional representatives establish a pattern of asking leading questions designed to steer interviewees to provide specific answers, the institution's level of cooperation may be questio... This y impact the amount . and nature of the information the enforcement staff shares during this inquiry.

Under the NCAA enforcement process, all individuals who are subject to NCAA bylaws are expected to provide full and complete information when questioned. In other words, administrators, coaches and student athletes should not be instructed to provide only "yes" or "no" answers, or to limit their answers to minimal information. Similarly, if the enforcement staff requests documentation or other information that is within the control of the institution, the expectation is that institutional representatives will seek out all information that is reasonably relevant to such a request. It is expected that if the institution is aware of additional information relevant to an issue being investigated, the institution will suggest that the additional information be reviewed. For example, if the enforcement staff asks for all emails sent by a men's basketball staff member relating to a particular subject, the expectation is that the institution will search the computer files of the men's basketball staff member. If the email search yields results suggesting other coaches' inboxes should be searched, the institution will raise it.

Once full information has been developed, the institution and enforcement staff may disagree as to the significance of or the conclusions to be drawn from those facts. However, what is critical is that full and complete ll:Uormation is developed during the inquiry.

Duty to protect the integrity of the investigation

The cooperative principle also "requires that all individuals who are subject to NCAI\. rules protect the integrity of an investigation." If an individual fails to protect the integrity of an investigation, that individual could be personally at risk for a finding of unethical conduct pursuant to Bylaw 10.1. Bylaw 32.1.4 authorizes the enforcement staff to take the lead in inquiries, and the institution should not conduct any independent investigation or interviews or engage in any independent investjgative activities without prior authorization from the enforcement staff.

FAX No. P. 004

President Royce Engstrom
January 30, 2012
Page No.3

An NCAA inquiry can be compromised if case-related information is disclosed to potential interviewees, involved individuals or extraneous persons. The enforcement staff expects that an institution v.i.ll restrict the disclosure of case-related information to a limited number of institutional representatives, as deflned by the enforcement staff, and that under no circumstances will persons involved in the activities that gave rise to the inquiry (e.g., involved coach or student-athlete) be given access to case-related information without the express authorization from the enforcement staff. In addition. the enforcement staff expects the institution to advise any individual who is granted access to case-related information that there is an expectation of confidentiality and that serious repercussions could result if that individual shares information about the case with unauthorized mdividuals. Institutions often believe they have an obligation to inform the head coach of the sport program under review ofthe existence and nature of the mquiry. This should not occur without the knowledge and approval of the enforcement staff.
It is important to elicit candid, contemporaneous responses from interviewees during an interview related to potential NCAA rule violations. If the enforcement staff asks the institution to schedule interviews with institutional employees, the institution may inform the interviewees that the purpose of the interview is to determine whether the individual has knowledge of or involvement in violations of NCAA legislation, but the institution should not disclose the specific nature of the inquiry or the specific allegations in advance of the interviews. Similarly, an institution should not engage in interviewee preparation beyond an explanation of procedural matters.
Finally, 'vith regard to document requests, there may be instances when an institution may have to provide some explanation in order to obtain access to records. In making such a request, the institution may indicate that an NCAA inquiry is· underway, but that explanation should be limited to a statement indicating that the review relates to potential NCAA rules violations.
In summary, Bylaw 32.1.4 requires that an institution assist in developing full information and that it protect the integrity of an investigation. During the course of this inquiry, the enforcement staff expects that the institution will coordinate in advance with the enforcement staff with respect to all case-related activities.

The investigation by the enforcement staff is being conducted under my direction. However, in the event of procedural disputes or if the mvestigation results in a notice of allegations, the NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions would assume jurisdiction for correspondence concerning any procedural issues and the hearing process. All correspondence to the committee should be forwarded to Shepard C. Cooper, director of the Committees on Infractions, at the NCAA national office.

l . •MA30. :01. WED 01:49 ?M FAX No . P. 005



President Royce Engstrom

January 30, 2012

Page No.4



In the event· allegations related to possible major violations of NCAA legislation are substantiated, the Conunittee on Infractions will consider the case either through the summary disposition or hearing process. A summary disposition involves a written report that is jointly prepared by the institution, enforcement staff and all involved parties. Bylaw 32.7 describes the summary disposition process, and a guide is available from the enforcement staff for your review when applicable. Bylaw 32.8 explains the procedures that are followed when it is necessary for the institution, enforcement staff and involved parties to appear before the committee.

The enforcement program of the NCAA is a cooperative undertaking involving individual member institutions and allied conferences working together through the NCAA- a unified effort designed to improve the administration of intercollegiate athletics. You are called upon as president of the University of Montana for your cooperation and assistance to the end that complete information related to this matter may be·developed.

Your assistance is appreciated.

Sincerely,

Vice President of Enforcement

JRL:klk
cc: :Mr. Shepard C. Cooper
:Mr. Douglas B. Fullerton
Mr. James J. Lopach
Mr. Jim O'Day

NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions
 
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