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No one knows where people are getting infected

fanofzoo said:
Can you issue a vague pardon, good for what ever or does it have to be for something specific ?

Good question. I don't know the law, if any, but I assume someone could draft a specific enough pardon.

But it doesn't have to be specific to a specific allegation or charge. Ford pardoned Nixon.

"It would be highly unusual, but there have been a few cases where people who had not been charged with a crime were pardoned," the US Department of Justice's website says.

One of the most famous examples came after the Watergate scandal, which led to Mr Nixon's resignation in 1974.

Mr Nixon's vice-president Gerald Ford became president and used his powers to grant his predecessor a "full, free, and absolute pardon" for all offences he "committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974".

It's not clear if a president could pardon himself, but he could try. It wouldn't be tested in court unless the president was charged and then used his pardon as a defense.
 
PlayerRep said:
Jesse said:
That’s pretty vague, so Durham is your last hope then? Barr said he would be finished with his investigation this summer. So is that when we will see all this evidence of what, the illegal predicate to open the Russia investigation? We already have the Mueller report which was damming to Trump and still is full of redactions which will be released eventually. The congressional report that found Russian interference and the IG’s report which said it was properly initiated. The only thing that stuck was the fisa application for Carter Page, which led to nothing regarding Trump. And Clinesmith, the FBI lawyer who tampered with 1 email, regarding whether Page was or had been an either an “informant” or an “asset” of the CIA regarding Russia (do you know the difference and why it was relevant?). Benghazi had more smoking guns then that and they had nothing. So what else, keep seeing nadda

The Mueller report was not damning to jump. Pretty much showed there was nothing there. Happy to debate you anytime. The reductions seem not to have anything to do with Trump. Not many left either.

Nope, nothing of note in Congressional investigations, on Russia.

The IG report that the original preliminary investigation was okay to start. Low bar. Did not say the rest of the investigation was okay. Barr has specifically said it wasn't. Barr believes the investigation should have stopped almost immediately, is my interpretation.

I assume that Durham is going to find some fairly bad stuff, but I haven't been following that for a few months.

If and when you open you mouth on this, I look forward to ripping you apart. Do your research first. You are a talking point guy, and have shown no substance or ability to research or debate.

Why are you so hostile all the time? Are you insecure about yourself. I choose not to debate with you because you will get me kicked off the board when you look foolish like you did to alpha, sask and dutch lane. Those guys were entertaining and had something to say other then your stunted world view which gets dull after awhile. Egriz is the epitome of cancel culture you old guys are driving younger Griz fans away. We look at this board but very few millennials ever post here.

Ps. Don’t bother denying what you did to those guys the board knows who you are and how you operate. So yeah just leave me alone and I will leave you alone.
 
Jesse said:
PlayerRep said:
The Mueller report was not damning to jump. Pretty much showed there was nothing there. Happy to debate you anytime. The reductions seem not to have anything to do with Trump. Not many left either.

Nope, nothing of note in Congressional investigations, on Russia.

The IG report that the original preliminary investigation was okay to start. Low bar. Did not say the rest of the investigation was okay. Barr has specifically said it wasn't. Barr believes the investigation should have stopped almost immediately, is my interpretation.

I assume that Durham is going to find some fairly bad stuff, but I haven't been following that for a few months.

If and when you open you mouth on this, I look forward to ripping you apart. Do your research first. You are a talking point guy, and have shown no substance or ability to research or debate.

Why are you so hostile all the time? Are you insecure about yourself. I choose not to debate with you because you will get me kicked off the board when you look foolish like you did to alpha, sask and dutch lane. Those guys were entertaining and had something to say other then your stunted world view which gets dull after awhile. Egriz is the epitome of cancel culture you old guys are driving younger Griz fans away. We look at this board but very few millennials ever post here.

Ps. Don’t bother denying what you did to those guys the board knows who you are and how you operate. So yeah just leave me alone and I will leave you alone.

Just direct; never hostile. Always up for a discussion or debate, tho.

Why did you get kicked off egriz under your other name? Do you think you were being a good citizen?

I actually have never gotten anyone kicked off egriz, but if you want to give me credit, I'm fine with that's too. Sask? I don't even know who that is.
 
Cuervohola said:
Jesse said:
That’s pretty vague, so Durham is your last hope then? Barr said he would be finished with his investigation this summer. So is that when we will see all this evidence of what, the illegal predicate to open the Russia investigation? We already have the Mueller report which was damming to Trump and still is full of redactions which will be released eventually. The congressional report that found Russian interference and the IG’s report which said it was properly initiated. The only thing that stuck was the fisa application for Carter Page, which led to nothing regarding Trump. And Clinesmith, the FBI lawyer who tampered with 1 email, regarding whether Page was or had been an either an “informant” or an “asset” of the CIA regarding Russia (do you know the difference and why it was relevant?). Benghazi had more smoking guns then that and they had nothing. So what else, keep seeing nadda

Why are you completely skipping the election?

The Mueller report didn't do a thing to President Trump. If there was anything there, Commander Pelosi wouldn't have demanded the media drop the story and start talking about healthcare. We'll see what happens with Strzok and Page to begin with when the shoe is on the other foot, but you better believe the #1 priority will be the firing of the Ukrainian prosecutor and Hunter's GOLD MINE laptop. I don't remember hearing Page was an asset.

Hillary was dead to rights. She also has dirt on everybody. That's that.

Of course, the mainstream news won't be able to talk about the giant investigation into the Bidens, so what will they talk about? Joe putting a lid on at 10 AM and sitting at the desk, maybe what he had for breakfast? The "Journalists" will be bored out of their skulls.
There’s a pretty good article floating around I think in Vox from last summer that explains the Clinesmith/carter page connection. Clinesmith added four words to an email from a cia agent that clinesmith forwarded to the FBI agent working on the fisa application. Clinesmith added language that said page was not a source. The cia doesn’t use that term, they described Page as an”operational asset” and the FBI uses the term source. Clinesmith told the court that he changed the email to cut corners and not have to prepare a footnote for the 4th fisa application and that he wasn’t trying to mislead the agent. Very weak smoking gun. Clinesmith was a low level lawyer and had only worked for fbi for 4 years. He didn’t get jail time. Durham hasn’t found anything and Barr appointed him special counsel because he would have been fired like the other 93 us attorneys are when there is a change of administration. Cuervo I think you are going to keep coming up with nothing as Barr’s DOJ winds down. Trump and his people are worried Biden appoints sally Yates to be his AG. So now he’s going to pardon himself and family and Rudy and anybody else who could hurt him which is not a good look if he wants to run in 2024.
 
Jesse said:
Cuervohola said:
Why are you completely skipping the election?

The Mueller report didn't do a thing to President Trump. If there was anything there, Commander Pelosi wouldn't have demanded the media drop the story and start talking about healthcare. We'll see what happens with Strzok and Page to begin with when the shoe is on the other foot, but you better believe the #1 priority will be the firing of the Ukrainian prosecutor and Hunter's GOLD MINE laptop. I don't remember hearing Page was an asset.

Hillary was dead to rights. She also has dirt on everybody. That's that.

Of course, the mainstream news won't be able to talk about the giant investigation into the Bidens, so what will they talk about? Joe putting a lid on at 10 AM and sitting at the desk, maybe what he had for breakfast? The "Journalists" will be bored out of their skulls.
There’s a pretty good article floating around I think in Vox from last summer that explains the Clinesmith/carter page connection. Clinesmith added four words to an email from a cia agent that clinesmith forwarded to the FBI agent working on the fisa application. Clinesmith added language that said page was not a source. The cia doesn’t use that term, they described Page as an”operational asset” and the FBI uses the term source. Clinesmith told the court that he changed the email to cut corners and not have to prepare a footnote for the 4th fisa application and that he wasn’t trying to mislead the agent. [That looks like a lie to me.] Very weak smoking gun. Clinesmith was a low level lawyer and had only worked for fbi for 4 years. He didn’t get jail time. [He hasn't been sentenced yet. Of course, he wouldn't have jail time before being sentenced.] Durham hasn’t found anything and Barr appointed him special counsel because he would have been fired like the other 93 us attorneys are when there is a change of administration. Cuervo I think you are going to keep coming up with nothing as Barr’s DOJ winds down. Trump and his people are worried Biden appoints sally Yates to be his AG. So now he’s going to pardon himself and family and Rudy and anybody else who could hurt him which is not a good look if he wants to run in 2024.

[Clinesmith hasn't been sentenced yet. Why do you constantly make up stuff and tell lies?]

"Barr Makes Durham a Special Counsel in a Bid to Entrench Scrutiny of the Russia Inquiry
The move would leave the investigation into the Trump-Russia inquiry open when the Biden administration takes over."

"Attorney General William P. Barr revealed on Tuesday that he had bestowed special counsel status on John H. Durham, the prosecutor he assigned to investigate the officials who conducted the Trump-Russia inquiry — setting the stage to leave him in place after the Biden administration takes over.

In a letter to Congress, Mr. Barr disclosed that he had secretly appointed Mr. Durham as a special counsel on Oct. 19, before the election. The action gives Mr. Durham the same independence and protections against being fired that had been enjoyed by Robert S. Mueller III, the former special counsel who eventually oversaw the Russia investigation.

“In advance of the presidential election, I decided to appoint Mr. Durham as a special counsel to provide him and his team with the assurance that they could complete their work, without regard to the outcome of the election,” Mr. Barr wrote.

The White House did not know about Mr. Durham’s appointment until Mr. Barr made his public comments on Tuesday, an official said."

"“You might appoint someone informally, as they did here, to look into something, but you wouldn’t go to a special-counsel level unless you had some higher level of confidence that there was likely to be something there,” Mr. Buell said. “It’s not clear — does Barr now think that? Or is he just trying to keep Durham in position after he is no longer attorney general?”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/01/us/politics/john-durham-special-counsel-russia-investigation.html

[Looks to me that Clinesmith is a liar too.]

"Based on that exchange, Mr. Clinesmith told the agent that the C.I.A. had explicitly said Mr. Page was “never a source,” something his C.I.A. contact later denied saying. When the agent wanted to see it in writing, Mr. Clinesmith inserted the words “and not a ‘source’” into the email before showing it to his colleague. The agent was satisfied and signed the wiretap affidavit without adding any disclosure about Mr. Page’s relationship with the C.I.A.

Text messages show that Mr. Clinesmith commented to the agent that the clarification he had supposedly received from the C.I.A. was good news because “we don’t have to have a terrible footnote” in the fourth wiretap application.

While Mr. Clinesmith told the inspector general that he meant it would be “laborious” to write a footnote, the agent instead interpreted Mr. Clinesmith to be referring to how bad it would look if Mr. Page had been a C.I.A. asset and the F.B.I. was only then becoming aware of that relationship, rendering the narrative in all its applications “dubious.”"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/19/us/politics/kevin-clinesmith-guilty.html
 
"Seattle to Slash Police Budget as Homicides Hit Highest Level in over a Decade"

"Seattle is preparing to slash the city’s police budget just as homicides in the city climb to their highest level in more than a decade.

Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan is set to sign a city budget that includes an 18 percent cut to the Seattle Police Department, a move that comes after police reform activists demanded the police budget be reduced by half. Calls for police reform have abounded in cities across the country since May, when George Floyd died at the hands of police in Minneapolis.

The city council voted last week to slash about $69 million in funding for officer training, salaries and overtime, and get rid of vacant positions in the police department as well as transfer parking officers, mental health workers, and 911 dispatchers out of the department. The goal is to ultimately reinvest in alternatives to police in situations such as mental health crises.

Meanwhile, Seattle had seen 55 murders this year as of Monday, the highest level since at least 2008, the last year of data available. The troubled city is also suffering a spike in violent crime, with 8,418 burglary incidents, up from to 7,634 last year, according to police."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/seattle-slash-police-budget-homicides-150747114.html
 
Jesse said:
Cuervohola said:
Why are you completely skipping the election?

The Mueller report didn't do a thing to President Trump. If there was anything there, Commander Pelosi wouldn't have demanded the media drop the story and start talking about healthcare. We'll see what happens with Strzok and Page to begin with when the shoe is on the other foot, but you better believe the #1 priority will be the firing of the Ukrainian prosecutor and Hunter's GOLD MINE laptop. I don't remember hearing Page was an asset.

Hillary was dead to rights. She also has dirt on everybody. That's that.

Of course, the mainstream news won't be able to talk about the giant investigation into the Bidens, so what will they talk about? Joe putting a lid on at 10 AM and sitting at the desk, maybe what he had for breakfast? The "Journalists" will be bored out of their skulls.
There’s a pretty good article floating around I think in Vox from last summer that explains the Clinesmith/carter page connection. Clinesmith added four words to an email from a cia agent that clinesmith forwarded to the FBI agent working on the fisa application. Clinesmith added language that said page was not a source. The cia doesn’t use that term, they described Page as an”operational asset” and the FBI uses the term source. Clinesmith told the court that he changed the email to cut corners and not have to prepare a footnote for the 4th fisa application and that he wasn’t trying to mislead the agent. Very weak smoking gun. Clinesmith was a low level lawyer and had only worked for fbi for 4 years. He didn’t get jail time. Durham hasn’t found anything and Barr appointed him special counsel because he would have been fired like the other 93 us attorneys are when there is a change of administration. Cuervo I think you are going to keep coming up with nothing as Barr’s DOJ winds down. Trump and his people are worried Biden appoints sally Yates to be his AG. So now he’s going to pardon himself and family and Rudy and anybody else who could hurt him which is not a good look if he wants to run in 2024.

All the FBI / AG investigation talk bores me. Let's get back to the election you keep skipping over. I wonder why you do that?

Yates will be nominated.

Vox isn't a real source.
 
PlayerRep said:
"Seattle to Slash Police Budget as Homicides Hit Highest Level in over a Decade"

"Seattle is preparing to slash the city’s police budget just as homicides in the city climb to their highest level in more than a decade.

Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan is set to sign a city budget that includes an 18 percent cut to the Seattle Police Department, a move that comes after police reform activists demanded the police budget be reduced by half. Calls for police reform have abounded in cities across the country since May, when George Floyd died at the hands of police in Minneapolis.

The city council voted last week to slash about $69 million in funding for officer training, salaries and overtime, and get rid of vacant positions in the police department as well as transfer parking officers, mental health workers, and 911 dispatchers out of the department. The goal is to ultimately reinvest in alternatives to police in situations such as mental health crises.

Meanwhile, Seattle had seen 55 murders this year as of Monday, the highest level since at least 2008, the last year of data available. The troubled city is also suffering a spike in violent crime, with 8,418 burglary incidents, up from to 7,634 last year, according to police."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/seattle-slash-police-budget-homicides-150747114.html

I wonder if these rundown cities that used to be great in all aspects are ever going to get back. With the current Libtards running them, I don't see any hope for them. It does drive MT property values up though, as I can't get to the gas station without seeing WA, OR or CA plates.
 
On August 21, 2018 Michael Cohen plead guilty to eight felony counts, including one felony count of making an excessive campaign contribution at the request of a candidate. The candidate was Trump and the contribution was the &135,000 payment to Stormy Daniels. As the sitting President, Trump could not be indicted per a DOJ memo. It would seem an unindicted felon currently occupies the Oval Office.

On December 12, 2018 Cohen was sentenced to three years in federal prison and fined $50,000. We constantly hear the mantra that “no one is above the law”. When Trump is no longer protected by the DOJ memo, should he be sent to federal prison and fined for aiding and abetting the felony that was committed along with Cohen?
 
That would make sense to give Biden more freedom to give the country to China. Of course after a tidy sum is paid to Hunter.
 
Spanky2 said:
That would make sense to give Biden more freedom to give the country to China. Of course after a tidy sum is paid to Hunter.

to me, perhaps the best thing trump did was raise awareness of the double dealing, dangerous ccp. they are a brutal bunch who are ruled by a sense of han superiority, greed, and the notion that their leader (winnie the pooh, aka emperor xi) is the rightful ruler of the world. they are also the whiniest bunch on the planet, and blame everyone else for any problem they have that might get revealed to the public. as for biden, i was glad to read he is going to keep the tariffs in place. they should actually be greatly but judiciously expanded, in my view. yeah, consumers will pay more, so what, that should be the price of doing business with a brutal dictatorship. anyway, biden and the dems will not last long if they don't make progress towards getting china to play fair. also, the ccp needs to be disabused of the idea of their 'nine dashed line', where they claim all the ocean below china, and blatantly take resources from the countries with rightful claims to those waters (vietnam, taiwan, the phillipines, etc). while i know enough to not buy the notion that the ccp promotes of being a rich, powerful country, a lot of people don't realize the commies are full of it most of the time. oh, people are getting infected everywhere now, and need to wake up to that reality.
 
argh! said:
Spanky2 said:
That would make sense to give Biden more freedom to give the country to China. Of course after a tidy sum is paid to Hunter.

to me, perhaps the best thing trump did was raise awareness of the double dealing, dangerous ccp. they are a brutal bunch who are ruled by a sense of han superiority, greed, and the notion that their leader (winnie the pooh, aka emperor xi) is the rightful ruler of the world. they are also the whiniest bunch on the planet, and blame everyone else for any problem they have that might get revealed to the public. as for biden, i was glad to read he is going to keep the tariffs in place. they should actually be greatly but judiciously expanded, in my view. yeah, consumers will pay more, so what, that should be the price of doing business with a brutal dictatorship. anyway, biden and the dems will not last long if they don't make progress towards getting china to play fair. also, the ccp needs to be disabused of the idea of their 'nine dashed line', where they claim all the ocean below china, and blatantly take resources from the countries with rightful claims to those waters (vietnam, taiwan, the phillipines, etc). while i know enough to not buy the notion that the ccp promotes of being a rich, powerful country, a lot of people don't realize the commies are full of it most of the time. oh, people are getting infected everywhere now, and need to wake up to that reality.
A very logical post. And I might add, a bit surprising to me.
 
Jesse said:
PlayerRep said:
The Mueller report was not damning to jump. Pretty much showed there was nothing there. Happy to debate you anytime. The reductions seem not to have anything to do with Trump. Not many left either.

Nope, nothing of note in Congressional investigations, on Russia.

The IG report that the original preliminary investigation was okay to start. Low bar. Did not say the rest of the investigation was okay. Barr has specifically said it wasn't. Barr believes the investigation should have stopped almost immediately, is my interpretation.

I assume that Durham is going to find some fairly bad stuff, but I haven't been following that for a few months.

If and when you open you mouth on this, I look forward to ripping you apart. Do your research first. You are a talking point guy, and have shown no substance or ability to research or debate.

Why are you so hostile all the time? Are you insecure about yourself. I choose not to debate with you because you will get me kicked off the board when you look foolish like you did to alpha, sask and dutch lane. Those guys were entertaining and had something to say other then your stunted world view which gets dull after awhile. Egriz is the epitome of cancel culture you old guys are driving younger Griz fans away. We look at this board but very few millennials ever post here.

Ps. Don’t bother denying what you did to those guys the board knows who you are and how you operate. So yeah just leave me alone and I will leave you alone.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

What a crybaby snowflake. :roll: :roll:

PR, you big meanie!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
 
"The C.D.C. previously had recommended a 14-day quarantine period following potential exposure, and officials said they still supported the longer period as the safest option. But officials also recommended two alternatives.

Those without symptoms may end quarantine after seven days, followed by a negative test for the virus, or after 10 days without a negative test, agency officials said at a news briefing. P.C.R. or rapid tests are acceptable, the agency said, and should be taken within 48 hours of the end of the quarantine period.

“We can safely reduce the length of quarantine, but accepting that there is a small residual risk that a person who is leaving quarantine early could transmit to someone else if they became infected,” said Dr. John Brooks, the C.D.C.’s chief medical officer for the Covid-19 response."

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/12/02/world/covid-19-coronavirus#the-cdc-warns-americans-not-to-travel-for-the-holidays-and-outlines-ways-to-shorten-quarantine-times

[This addresses the complaint of the UM frosh football player. He questioned why they should self-quarantine for 14 days with no symptoms and having had a negative test. I agreed with his complaint.]
 
AZGrizFan said:
Jesse said:
Why are you so hostile all the time? Are you insecure about yourself. I choose not to debate with you because you will get me kicked off the board when you look foolish like you did to alpha, sask and dutch lane. Those guys were entertaining and had something to say other then your stunted world view which gets dull after awhile. Egriz is the epitome of cancel culture you old guys are driving younger Griz fans away. We look at this board but very few millennials ever post here.

Ps. Don’t bother denying what you did to those guys the board knows who you are and how you operate. So yeah just leave me alone and I will leave you alone.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

What a crybaby snowflake. :roll: :roll:

PR, you big meanie!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

I tell him he's going to be challenged if he makes up more stuff or lies, and he starts crying. Caught him lying again last night.
 
[CEO of Dominion, the manufacturer of the voting machines in question.]

"Fake Claims About Dominion Voting Systems Do Real Damage

"Our machines have no secret ‘vote flipping’ algorithm. We have no ties to dictator Hugo Chávez."

"Dominion is an American company, now headquartered in Denver. Dominion is not and has never been a front for communists. It has no ties to Hugo Chávez, the late dictator of Venezuela. It has never been involved in Venezuelan elections. None of Dominion’s systems use the Smartmatic software that has come under attack, as any state certification lab could verify.

There is no secret “vote flipping” algorithm. Third-party test labs, chosen by the bipartisan Election Assistance Commission and accredited by a program of the National Institute of Standards and Technology, perform complete source-code reviews on every federally certified tabulation system. States replicate this process for their own certifications. Postelection canvassing and auditing also exist to provide additional assurance of the vote totals’ accuracy.

The part of the election process on which Dominion focuses is highly regulated and certified. The company doesn’t work in noncertified areas such as voter-registration systems, poll books or signature-verification software, and it doesn’t provide vote-by-mail printing. Dominion voting machines do one thing: accurately tabulate votes from county-verified voters using a durable paper ballot controlled and secured by local elections officials.

In fact, across the 14 Pennsylvania counties that use Dominion systems, President Trump received 52.2% of the vote.

• Tabulation machines are tested publicly, before bipartisan witnesses, before and right after Election Day.

• On Election Day, poll workers—not Dominion systems—verify voters’ identities, including a signature check.

• Voters mark a paper ballot to vote. Absentee voters use pens, while in-person voters use “ballot marking devices,” which display a digital ballot for voters to make a selection and then print a paper record. In both cases, voters verify the marked paper ballot before casting it in a secure ballot box through an air-gapped scanning tabulator.

• After polls close, results are tallied by local officials. Paper ballots are safeguarded by thousands of poll workers distributed across 2,656 precincts.

• The Georgia Secretary of State’s Office certified election results after hand-auditing five million ballots, which showed that the paper-ballot voting system counted and reported results accurately. The small change to the final tally was due entirely to the addition of ballots that had been uncounted due to human process errors.

• The state also enlisted Pro V&V, a certified third-party testing laboratory, to audit a random sample of Dominion machines. No tampering was found."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/fake-claims-about-dominion-voting-systems-do-real-damage-11606755399?mod=searchresults_pos2&page=1
 
AZGrizFan said:
Jesse said:
Why are you so hostile all the time? Are you insecure about yourself. I choose not to debate with you because you will get me kicked off the board when you look foolish like you did to alpha, sask and dutch lane. Those guys were entertaining and had something to say other then your stunted world view which gets dull after awhile. Egriz is the epitome of cancel culture you old guys are driving younger Griz fans away. We look at this board but very few millennials ever post here.

Ps. Don’t bother denying what you did to those guys the board knows who you are and how you operate. So yeah just leave me alone and I will leave you alone.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

What a crybaby snowflake. :roll: :roll:

PR, you big meanie!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Hey, I never got kicked off of this board and certainly not by PR, he was a DB, those guys can't kick.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
Cuervohola said:
Vox isn't a real source.

Curious, what in your opinion are "real" sources?

More like people. Vox doesn't employ many real journalists. There are no real journalists at the NYT, WAPO, CNN, MSNBC etc. Fox News has a few, then there are independent sources that might be conservative or liberal, but they stick to the facts. It's rare.

As far as Vox, the headline is "The government’s failure to provide economic relief is killing people." Okay, that sounds accurate, but there is a picture of Mitch, no picture of Nancy and no mention of either. There is no mention of the actual reason there hasn't been a second relief check or a third. That would be Nancy insisting that abortion and checks for illegals be included, which Mitch and Trump said no to. Now of course, Nancy knows that would fail, but it makes Trump look bad instead of good with the checks rolling out, and she has $250 Million anyway.
 
Cuervohola said:
HelenaHandBasket said:
Curious, what in your opinion are "real" sources?

More like people. Vox doesn't employ many real journalists. There are no real journalists at the NYT, WAPO, CNN, MSNBC etc. Fox News has a few, then there are independent sources that might be conservative or liberal, but they stick to the facts. It's rare.

As far as Vox, the headline is "The government’s failure to provide economic relief is killing people." Okay, that sounds accurate, but there is a picture of Mitch, no picture of Nancy and no mention of either. There is no mention of the actual reason there hasn't been a second relief check or a third. That would be Nancy insisting that abortion and checks for illegals be included, which Mitch and Trump said no to. Now of course, Nancy knows that would fail, but it makes Trump look bad instead of good with the checks rolling out, and she has $250 Million anyway.

This didn't answer the question.
 
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