No one knows where people are getting infected

[grizindabox]

Dang, I have to quit this shitfest, so I am out.

 

[PlayerRep]

Box, look at the vote numbers for each, not the percentage. The top guy gain 560 votes and the bottom guy loses 560 votes. That's what is being pointed out.

That still doesn't prove his narrative. Entry errors are admitted to all the time and corrected. This is why audits are preformed. Are you telling me that there is a giant conspiracy which encompasses hundred if not thousands of people throughout the US and they are so good at it that no one can catch them with enough evidence to prove it?

I think the point is that the top feed was coming directly from the vote counting system, and was not an input error.

I am only telling you to look at the whole video and listen to it, and stop stating things about it that aren't true. Is that too much to ask of you?

Watch and listen to the video, and then tell us what it shows/said. And why you think it doesn't matter. Again, is that too much to ask?

I don't know what the video proves or doesn't prove. But your posts prove that you didn't even watch the video when you posted about it.

 

[garizzalies]

 

[Cuervohola]

I have no idea where Cue and Spanky2 caught the conspiracy viruses. One symptom is making angry, nonsensical posts on the internet, as evidenced by their posts on this thread. I hope for their speedy recovery, but I have my doubts. It seems quite likely that their symptoms will only increase over the next two to four years. Sad.

Spanky2, you may want to check out how the Trump team is doing in the courts. Losers, big time.

You're auditioning to be a true Liberal, but you're failing. When true Liberals are shown direct evidence, they tuck tail and run, only to come back for another nonsensical salvo on another topic. You can't dismiss the evidence in the link or video I posted above, so you don't talk about it.

Smart. You never want to bring up the evidence I posted.

You also don't want to post your own evidence... Er... My bad, you can't post what doesn't exist.

 

[PlayerRep]

Unfortunately, this has gone off the rails and devolved into political poop throwing contest.

In an attempt to address cuerohola statement about covid deaths, I will attempt to get this back to the original topic.

I don't necessarily believe that all death's are covid related, but I do believe the vast majority are. Hospitals don't get paid by deaths. They get paid for treatment and there is increased funding for covid treatments. As someone who works in the medical field and run my own practice, I find it unlikely that people are diagnosed with covid without a test to show that they actually have it. The risk of even being accused of fraud and the potential consequences are too great. At least in my practice they are. Also, the reimbursement you get for ICU and advanced cares including ventilators may seem like a lot initially, but once you add in the costs, especially if someone requires months of ICU, you start losing money per diagnosis. In addition, the payroll costs of hospitals has skyrocketed the past 6 months. In additon, there were months that these hospitals cancelled all outpatient and non emergent procedures. This is where they make their money and they lost that revenue stream for months and many are still back to pre pandemic levels.

Up until early October, if you compared excess deaths in the US in 2020 compared to the annual average amounts of deaths from 2015 through 2019 we are actually about 300,000 higher in 2020. Some of this may be related to people not seeking care due to fear of going to the hospital, and there may be a higher suicide rate based on isolation and depression, but there are supposedly lower auto deaths this year as well.

Taking all this into account, most experts believe we have actually undercounted fatalities.

I know that I am 51 in good health with no other complications and this is as sick as I have been. I am 3 weeks later and still exhausted. Smell and taste have still not come back. I have not had a day without a headache and even the slightest exertion will cause me to cough. I can only imagine what it does to anyone else with any other complications. Look up Kenny Maddux. Long time teacher and coach in Great Falls. 69 years old, but still working and coaching. Not obese. Active guy. Recently passed away from it.

I still believe robust RAPID testing and tracing for hot spots and at risk populations could allow us to keep everything else open and active. The day I found out I was positive I told my staff and patients that were in the window of exposure. My receptionist went into the same clinic I did and told them that she was potentially exposed. They would not test her because she did not have symptoms. She had to go to a different place and wait a week. Same story with my assistant. I received rapid test only because I had my clinic shirt on and the Dr. recommended it due to the potential number of people I was in contact with. Our athletes can get tested daily or every other day. Staff in nursing homes and other assisted living facilities are lucky if they get it weekly. Without getting political, I am going to say we underestimated it at every level. There is plenty of blame to go around, but the time we had to catch up we didn't take advantage of it. I only ask that you do what you can do and don't point fingers and don't be proud. Mask, distance, and wash. Take care of what you can and pray everyone else does their part.

Now I will let you animals get back to flinging s#*t at each other.

Thanks for taking the time to provide good info and your views.

One comment on what you said. While the medical field and others (everyone) may have underestimated the virus, many leaders, politicians, the media and others overreacted much of the way, in my view. The general amount of overreaction started slowing down in August/September, when it became clear that there was not much appetite for further lockdowns, hurting the economy, and keeping schools closed. The coverage, statements, and discourse seemed to get more neutral about then, at least I thought that.

It has become apparent that it was an overreaction to close schools, certainly K-6. There's just much risk there, especially compared the negatives of not having kids in school in-person. Europe used this approach. See comments on RI governor today on this subject. Even many Dems and liberals are saying schools should be open, generally. Certainly, there may be exceptions.

Most lockdowns were too severe and shut down too many things and too much of the economy. There have been way too many ancillary and unintended negative impacts. The newer versions are more targeted. A lot of businesses and people were needlessly hurt. I'm not necessarily addressing what was done in big cities and hotspots like NY. I haven't paid enough attention to those areas, and don't know enough about them.

Another over reaction was lockdowns and stay at homes in March/April/May of places like MT and other non hot spot states. If the lockdown/stay at home was necessary then, when there were very few cases and very few deaths, why not now. When there are many times more cases and deaths?

Healthcare facilities should not have been told to avoid elective procedures. This could/should have been done later. This hurt the facilities, employees, and people needing procedures/testing.

There was what turned out a huge overreaction to touching things. Keeping kids out of parks and off playground equipment. Never made sense to me.

My view is that too many sports, and youth sports, were shut down. I'm not sure that, in retrospect, that the NBA needed to shut down, which then caused ncaa hoops to shut down. I'm not criticizing those decisions with what was known at the time, tho.

Essential business was the wrong concept, wrong term, and too restrictive. It should have included a large factor of risk, so that slimmed down business in less risky places could have remained open, even on a reduced basis.

It was clear to me all along that actions needed to slow the virus, needed to be balanced with the impact on economies, businesses, and jobs.

The US did not do enough to protect elder care homes and other vulnerable places and populations. More financial and other resources should have been poured into those situations.

There are other things, but I need to get back to the games.

 

[Cuervohola]

Box, if Biden stuffed the ballot box wouldn’t that be fraud? Further, if you are a Biden supporter, what is your view of the Biden Crime Family and the activities with China? Is it acceptable to you that the President could be compromised?

Spanky, my entire point is that currently there is no credible evidence of stuffing the ballot box. Just a lot of accusations that to this point haven't been proven to be anything but baseless rants. So far, not a single Trump Campaign lawyer has accused anyone of fraud in court, and actually several, including Rudy, have stated it was not about fraud. Weird that fraud seems to be left out of all these lawsuits in court? Also, I see Biden no more compromised than our current sitting President.

Why do you leave out the spike in votes in my Gellar link above, same post as the video in which the computer fraud is exposed?

Why do you think President Trump is compromised? The Mueller report that fell flat on it's face after 2 years?

What do you say about the Biden video where he brags about ordering the firing of the Ukrainian prosecutor going after Hunter?

What do you say about the Hunter laptop?

Trump has managed to piss off most of the world's leaders because he isn't a puppet. He doesn't carry water for anybody.

 

[Jesse]

I didn’t realize that you were as batshit crazy as cuervohola. You just repeated verbatim what Trump said, well at least what he said to Woodward, but not to the rest of our country. I would wager that if you could have asked the 250,000 dead Americans and their families if they would have preferred the truth from the president back then about how to stay safe durning a pandemic they would not have said no don’t tell us don’t want to start a panic and impact the stock market. Trump out and out lied to his own citizens and downplayed the threat even after he was informed by his own hand picked national intelligence director, Robert O’Brien in January that it would be the biggest national security crisis of his presidency and he lies to us about it. What a dumb-ass.

I posted what Trump said to show that it wasn't what you said he said. Initially, you said Trump said 3 things. You were wrong on 2.5 of them.

I don't see what Trump said as lies, especially when he explained why he was playing the virus down at times.
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So, you think the 100,000 plus people who died in nursing/elder homes care or were affected by about this?.

I think it cost lives and cost him the election. If he would have followed the intelligence agencies’ reports, they were spying on China and other countries and knew it was transmittable person to person in late December or early January. If he had followed scientific/medical advice that he had then, the country would have rallied around him like we did after 9/11, and done whatever he told us we should do to keep our families safe, like wearing masks in February and social distancing we would have had at least half as many deaths, the economy wouldn’t have suffered as much and he would have been re-elected like FDR was re-elected during WW2. In times of national security crisis we usually don’t change horses. His messaging was chaotic and at cross purposes. Terrible lapse in judgment or just simply incompetence by him and his administration, he will be written about how not to handle a pandemic. It’s really tragic for our country.

 

[grizindabox]

That still doesn't prove his narrative. Entry errors are admitted to all the time and corrected. This is why audits are preformed. Are you telling me that there is a giant conspiracy which encompasses hundred if not thousands of people throughout the US and they are so good at it that no one can catch them with enough evidence to prove it?

I think the point is that the top feed was coming directly from the vote counting system, and was not an input error.

I am only telling you to look at the whole video and listen to it, and stop stating things about it that aren't true. Is that too much to ask of you?

Watch and listen to the video, and then tell us what it shows/said. And why you think it doesn't matter. Again, is that too much to ask?

I don't know what the video proves or doesn't prove. But your posts prove that you didn't even watch the video when you posted about it.

I did, and it is some random person making assumptions about what happened. The video doesn't prove fraud, it just proves there was an updated adjustment to the totals. It demonstrates no context as to why that happened. As far as I can tell, that was a 2019 KY governors race that had no accusations of elections fraud and the loser conceded without any issue. I will also add that Trump won KY twice and it is the home of Rand Paul and Mitch McConnel. I don't see anyone questioning the KY election results.

 

[Cuervohola]

Unfortunately, this has gone off the rails and devolved into political poop throwing contest.

In an attempt to address cuerohola statement about covid deaths, I will attempt to get this back to the original topic.

I don't necessarily believe that all death's are covid related, but I do believe the vast majority are. Hospitals don't get paid by deaths. They get paid for treatment and there is increased funding for covid treatments. As someone who works in the medical field and run my own practice, I find it unlikely that people are diagnosed with covid without a test to show that they actually have it. The risk of even being accused of fraud and the potential consequences are too great. At least in my practice they are. Also, the reimbursement you get for ICU and advanced cares including ventilators may seem like a lot initially, but once you add in the costs, especially if someone requires months of ICU, you start losing money per diagnosis. In addition, the payroll costs of hospitals has skyrocketed the past 6 months. In additon, there were months that these hospitals cancelled all outpatient and non emergent procedures. This is where they make their money and they lost that revenue stream for months and many are still back to pre pandemic levels.

Up until early October, if you compared excess deaths in the US in 2020 compared to the annual average amounts of deaths from 2015 through 2019 we are actually about 300,000 higher in 2020. Some of this may be related to people not seeking care due to fear of going to the hospital, and there may be a higher suicide rate based on isolation and depression, but there are supposedly lower auto deaths this year as well.

Taking all this into account, most experts believe we have actually undercounted fatalities.

I know that I am 51 in good health with no other complications and this is as sick as I have been. I am 3 weeks later and still exhausted. Smell and taste have still not come back. I have not had a day without a headache and even the slightest exertion will cause me to cough. I can only imagine what it does to anyone else with any other complications. Look up Kenny Maddux. Long time teacher and coach in Great Falls. 69 years old, but still working and coaching. Not obese. Active guy. Recently passed away from it.

I still believe robust RAPID testing and tracing for hot spots and at risk populations could allow us to keep everything else open and active. The day I found out I was positive I told my staff and patients that were in the window of exposure. My receptionist went into the same clinic I did and told them that she was potentially exposed. They would not test her because she did not have symptoms. She had to go to a different place and wait a week. Same story with my assistant. I received rapid test only because I had my clinic shirt on and the Dr. recommended it due to the potential number of people I was in contact with. Our athletes can get tested daily or every other day. Staff in nursing homes and other assisted living facilities are lucky if they get it weekly. Without getting political, I am going to say we underestimated it at every level. There is plenty of blame to go around, but the time we had to catch up we didn't take advantage of it. I only ask that you do what you can do and don't point fingers and don't be proud. Mask, distance, and wash. Take care of what you can and pray everyone else does their part.

Now I will let you animals get back to flinging s#*t at each other.

I didn't say they get paid for Covid deaths. I said they can't change the diagnosis to Cancer or Heart Attack after death if they marked the person down as having Covid. You might not commit fraud in your practice, and you might not even think about it. If so, I commend you because in big Hospital systems, fraud is their middle name. With all these free mountains of cash sitting there, and with hospitals constantly having to do the most expensive and sometimes unnecessary surgeries, of course they are going to take everything they can get. Lets say even if the Senate investigated, by the time they had to explain their books, there will be another Pandemic, and it will all get swept under the rug.

I firmly believe all Hospitals are rife with fraud. I have seen corpses given bag after bag of IV meds in the ICU. When they are cold, they don't need an IV.

In every profession, there is greed. That's why the greedy Doctors recommend the $400 pill instead of the $79 one, or the $$$$$$$$$ Chemo instead of not at all.

As far as testing, it's hit and miss, with the most famous example being Elon Musk testing positive twice and negative twice in the same day.

As far as you, I wish you the best. I would load up on Vitamin C. I have been taking vitamins religiously since 2000, and have only had a small one day "cold", and a day and a half or so episode this year in which the left side of my head was stuffed up and the right was fine. I claim it's my Covid because it was bizarre.

I get my Vitamin C from Bulk Supplements, been working through a 1000 Gram bag since March or so, 3 or 4 grams a day.

Here is Andrew Saul, PhD, the foremost expert in vitamins.


[media]https://youtu.be/4tg270yUQCM[/media]

 

[Jesse]

I didn’t realize that you were as batshit crazy as cuervohola. You just repeated verbatim what Trump said, well at least what he said to Woodward, but not to the rest of our country. I would wager that if you could have asked the 250,000 dead Americans and their families if they would have preferred the truth from the president back then when making decisions about how to stay safe durning a pandemic they would not have said no don’t tell us don’t want to start a panic and impact the stock market. What a dumbass.

You're dumber than cardboard if you think 250,000 people have died from this "pandemic". Hospitals get paid more if the toe tag says "Covid". They get more to start with if the patient is listed as Covid (under the CARES act), and then of course they can't change it upon death and wouldn't want to anyway.

So all these drs, nurses, administrators and insurance coders just routinely commit fraud against the federal government for free? Are the docs getting kick backs from the hospitals at least for risking their medical licenses? Why isn’t the DOJ all over this, I can’t find any news stories where anyone has been caught doing what would be considered a federal criminal offense can you? Seems like these are the same old recycled tropes that were being used to discount the numbers when we are at only the tens of thousands of deaths back in the spring. My advice for what it is worth give it a rest and stfu already, there is no there there and there isn’t going to be even at the scotus. This was the most closely watched election cycle in history by both sides and the media. You have nothing to show for all your conspiracies other then your own biases that really don’t count for much.

Question for you though, Trump is said to be contemplating announcing that he is running again in 2024. If he decides to issue himself a pardon and also his kids before leaving office in January will it affect his re-election bid? I think it would be the most ballsy thing a potus has ever done, his base will love it as an eff you to the establishment but it will turn off the majority of votes and cost himself the election again by being a dumb ass. Stupid is as stupid does.

 

[Cuervohola]

You're dumber than cardboard if you think 250,000 people have died from this "pandemic". Hospitals get paid more if the toe tag says "Covid". They get more to start with if the patient is listed as Covid (under the CARES act), and then of course they can't change it upon death and wouldn't want to anyway.

So all these drs, nurses, administrators and insurance coders just routinely commit fraud against the federal government for free? Are the docs getting kick backs from the hospitals at least for risking their medical licenses? Why isn’t the DOJ all over this, I can’t find any news stories where anyone has been caught doing what would be considered a federal criminal offense can you? Seems like these are the same old recycled tropes that were being used to discount the numbers when we are at only the tens of thousands of deaths back in the spring. My advice for what it is worth give it a rest and stfu already, there is no there there and there isn’t going to be even at the scotus. This was the most closely watched election cycle in history by both sides and the media. You have nothing to show for all your conspiracies other then your own biases that really don’t count for much.

Question for you though, Trump is said to be contemplating announcing that he is running again in 2024. If he decides to issue himself a pardon and also his kids before leaving office in January will it affect his re-election bid? I think it would be the most ballsy thing a potus has ever done, his base will love it as an eff you to the establishment but it will turn off the majority of votes and cost himself the election again by being a dumb ass. Stupid is as stupid does.

HAHAHAHA... So in literally every single industry besides healthcare, there is rampant fraud, collusion with congress, lying, cheating and stealing, but in healthcare, everybody is a saint with a gold halo?

Are you from America? With every single drug that is approved by the FDA having the ability to kill you, which they tell you about in the commercials, why do you think the healthcare industry is afraid of anyone? They OWN congress and the media for that matter. There will never be an investigation by the Feds about anything.

Why were the vaccine companies granted immunity by congress? If you get wickedly sick or die from the Covid vaccine, you are shit out of luck. You can't sue because congress said you can't.

Why does Trump have to pardon himself and his family? None of them are guilty of anything.

 

[Cuervohola]

"Biden’s ‘winning’ margin was derived almost entirely from such voters in these cities, as coincidentally his black vote spiked only in exactly the locations necessary to secure victory. He did not receive comparable levels of support among comparable demographic groups in comparable states"

https://spectator.us/reasons-why-the-2020-presidential-election-is-deeply-puzzling/

 

[Jesse]

"Biden’s ‘winning’ margin was derived almost entirely from such voters in these cities, as coincidentally his black vote spiked only in exactly the locations necessary to secure victory. He did not receive comparable levels of support among comparable demographic groups in comparable states"

https://spectator.us/reasons-why-the-2020-presidential-election-is-deeply-puzzling/

So now it’s a black voter conspiracy? Turn out the lights the party’s over Cuervo. Time to move on, don’t forget to get your warp speed covid-19 vaccination, live long and prosper. Go Griz

 

[Cuervohola]

"Biden’s ‘winning’ margin was derived almost entirely from such voters in these cities, as coincidentally his black vote spiked only in exactly the locations necessary to secure victory. He did not receive comparable levels of support among comparable demographic groups in comparable states"

https://spectator.us/reasons-why-the-2020-presidential-election-is-deeply-puzzling/

So now it’s a black voter conspiracy? Turn out the lights the party’s over Cuervo. Time to move on, don’t forget to get your warp speed covid-19 vaccination, live long and prosper. Go Griz

It's always a "conspiracy" when it goes against the Leftist programming because the Left doesn't have any facts and they can't fight back. If you had facts, you would certainly post them, but again, you don't, ergo you just whine and moan about that which is programmed into you, the Leftist's favorite phrase when they have no facts to educate their sheep with... It's a CONSPIRACY!!!

Look at the entire Mueller report. Your media had you glued to the TV, with the anchors talking nonstop about putting Trump in prison, and with prominent members of congress doing the same. They didn't state any actual facts, just conjecture... Word of the day... Con...Jec...Ture. Note the first syllable, and try to figure it out. When that giant CON fell flat on it's face, what did leader Pelosi say? Lets talk about healthcare. What did all the stations switch to immediately? Healthcare.

So, in this election, massive amounts of Black people voted for Biden in Atlanta, Detroit, Milwaukee and Philadelphia, but not in Seattle, LA, Portland, San Diego etc? Why is that? Oh yeah, the entire Left coast is reliably Blue, that's why. They don't need to stack the vote in NYC either.


Here's your programming... Make sure you never look behind the curtain!

[media]https://youtu.be/CaqhHmLAu78[/media]

 

[PlayerRep]

"Biden’s ‘winning’ margin was derived almost entirely from such voters in these cities, as coincidentally his black vote spiked only in exactly the locations necessary to secure victory. He did not receive comparable levels of support among comparable demographic groups in comparable states"

https://spectator.us/reasons-why-the-2020-presidential-election-is-deeply-puzzling/

That's an interesting article.

 

[PlayerRep]

I posted what Trump said to show that it wasn't what you said he said. Initially, you said Trump said 3 things. You were wrong on 2.5 of them.

I don't see what Trump said as lies, especially when he explained why he was playing the virus down at times.
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So, you think the 100,000 plus people who died in nursing/elder homes care or were affected by about this?.

I think it cost lives and cost him the election. If he would have followed the intelligence agencies’ reports, they were spying on China and other countries and knew it was transmittable person to person in late December or early January. If he had followed scientific/medical advice that he had then, the country would have rallied around him like we did after 9/11, and done whatever he told us we should do to keep our families safe, like wearing masks in February and social distancing we would have had at least half as many deaths, the economy wouldn’t have suffered as much and he would have been re-elected like FDR was re-elected during WW2. In times of national security crisis we usually don’t change horses. His messaging was chaotic and at cross purposes. Terrible lapse in judgment or just simply incompetence by him and his administration, he will be written about how not to handle a pandemic. It’s really tragic for our country.

Perhaps, but, again, you are providing what I believe is false information. Where is it said that intel agencies were saying the virus was transferable from person to person in late December or early January? The Chinese were not saying that. Your organization WHO was specificly denying that. In later January, the correct info started coming out.

Please provide the support for your statement.

What scientific/medical advice are you saying Trump didn't follow, and when? Note that Trump pretty much did what Fauci and Birx told him to do in the March/April/May timeframe.

What organizations or leaders in the US were saying to wear masks in February? Virtually all were saying that masks weren't necessary then.

Agree that Trump's, and some others', messaging was bad and inconsistent.

Looking forward to you providing quotes and links for what you said, i.e. the parts I pointed out.

 

[PlayerRep]

I think the point is that the top feed was coming directly from the vote counting system, and was not an input error.

I am only telling you to look at the whole video and listen to it, and stop stating things about it that aren't true. Is that too much to ask of you?

Watch and listen to the video, and then tell us what it shows/said. And why you think it doesn't matter. Again, is that too much to ask?

I don't know what the video proves or doesn't prove. But your posts prove that you didn't even watch the video when you posted about it.

I did, and it is some random person making assumptions about what happened. The video doesn't prove fraud, it just proves there was an updated adjustment to the totals. It demonstrates no context as to why that happened. As far as I can tell, that was a 2019 KY governors race that had no accusations of elections fraud and the loser conceded without any issue. I will also add that Trump won KY twice and it is the home of Rand Paul and Mitch McConnel. I don't see anyone questioning the KY election results.

Again, I was just trying to get you to be accurate on what the video said, and to get your to watch it. You obviously hadn't.

I don't know what the video proves or doesn't prove. However, one should be able to go back in the computers/program/etc. and determine exactly what caused the glitch. Something caused it. If it was some correction of a mistake, it should be easy to show that. The exact moment in time can be determined from the CNN video.

Instead of trying to dispute or pooh pooh the video and analysis, when you have zero facts and knowledge, would think you would be curious and want to know what happened.

 

[Cuervohola]

"Biden’s ‘winning’ margin was derived almost entirely from such voters in these cities, as coincidentally his black vote spiked only in exactly the locations necessary to secure victory. He did not receive comparable levels of support among comparable demographic groups in comparable states"

https://spectator.us/reasons-why-the-2020-presidential-election-is-deeply-puzzling/

That's an interesting article.

Yeah, it's a lot of good points, but the most glaring is the following... "he only won 524 counties, as opposed to the 873 counties Obama won in 2008. Yet, Biden somehow outdid Obama in total votes."

That makes no sense. Biden is just a peasant the Left settled for compared to Obama, who was and still pretty much is Monarchy to them. How Biden got FOURTEEN MILLION more votes than Obama would make even the die hard Biden Lover, AKA Trump hater scratch their heads...

HUH?

 

[grizindabox]

I don't know what the video proves or doesn't prove. However, one should be able to go back in the computers/program/etc. and determine exactly what caused the glitch. Something caused it. If it was some correction of a mistake, it should be easy to show that. The exact moment in time can be determined from the CNN video.

And I am sure they did, just like each and every state does. This is why they perform audits and possibly recounts, and the vote isn't official until certification.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I posted what Trump said to show that it wasn't what you said he said. Initially, you said Trump said 3 things. You were wrong on 2.5 of them.

I don't see what Trump said as lies, especially when he explained why he was playing the virus down at times.
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So, you think the 100,000 plus people who died in nursing/elder homes care or were affected by about this?.

I think it cost lives and cost him the election. If he would have followed the intelligence agencies’ reports, they were spying on China and other countries and knew it was transmittable person to person in late December or early January. If he had followed scientific/medical advice that he had then, the country would have rallied around him like we did after 9/11, and done whatever he told us we should do to keep our families safe, like wearing masks in February and social distancing we would have had at least half as many deaths, the economy wouldn’t have suffered as much and he would have been re-elected like FDR was re-elected during WW2. In times of national security crisis we usually don’t change horses. His messaging was chaotic and at cross purposes. Terrible lapse in judgment or just simply incompetence by him and his administration, he will be written about how not to handle a pandemic. It’s really tragic for our country.

again, anyone who thinks this country would have just openly accepted lockdowns, masks and social distancing before a SINGLE death had been recorded is delusional. A large percentage won’t accept those things even in the face of 200,000+ deaths, why in the WORLD would they have accepted in in February? He closed traffic from China on 1/31 — he was called a racist by the presumed next president. The SOTH went on public TV and invited everyone to “come down to Chinatown” to show how “woke” you are and in direct conflict with federal recommendations. ANY action he took (or didn’t take) was immediately weaponized and politicized by the other party. “Experts” can’t decide whether science from 18 months ago is now valid or not (i.e., ineffectiveness of masks, etc.). The Rule Makers don’t follow their own fucking rules, but expect the proletariat to just fall in line.

Fuck ‘em all.