No one knows where people are getting infected

[PlayerRep]

I don’t know what more the President could have done about Covid that he didn’t do. My opinion is he has done an excellent job and approached the challenges as a businessman, culminating with the Warp Speed program for the vaccines.

Well don’t you think in the first week of February that he could have maybe just told everyone in the country the simple truth (besides just Woodward, who recorded the conversation for his stupid book) that it was way more deadly then the flu and that it was contracted simply by breathing the air, yes?

Could you just stick with what Trump said, and what Woodward said in his book? He didn't say it was "way more deadly" than the flu. He said "more deadly". Everyone paying attention knew the virus was airborne. That's where social distancing and the 6-feet spacing can from. What was not known for longer was that it could be transferred in aerosol form. Note that Trump didn't say aerosol; he said was that it could be contracted by breathing air.

"“You just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed,” Trump said in the Feb. 7 call. “And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flus."

WHO: "In a scientific brief posted to its website on 27 March, the World Health Organization said that there is not sufficient evidence to suggest that SARS-CoV-2 is airborne, except in a handful of medical contexts, such as when intubating an infected patient."

[Maybe your favorite organization could have stopped that this earlier.]

"When public health officials say there isn't sufficient evidence to say that SARS-CoV-2 is airborne, they specifically mean transported in virus-laden aerosols smaller than 5 micrometres in diameter. Compared with droplets, which are heftier and thought to travel only short distances after someone coughs or sneezes before falling to the floor or onto other surfaces, aerosols can linger in the air for longer and travel further."

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00974-w

 

[Jesse]

Well don’t you think in the first week of February that he could have maybe just told everyone in the country the simple truth (besides just Woodward, who recorded the conversation for his stupid book) that it was way more deadly then the flu and that it was contracted simply by breathing the air, yes?

Could you just stick with what Trump said, and what Woodward said in his book? He didn't say it was "way more deadly" than the flu. He said "more deadly". Everyone paying attention knew the virus was airborne. That's where social distancing and the 6-feet spacing can from. What was not known for longer was that it could be transferred in aerosol form. Note that Trump didn't say aerosol; he said was that it could be contracted by breathing air.

"“You just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed,” Trump said in the Feb. 7 call. “And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flus."

WHO: "In a scientific brief posted to its website on 27 March, the World Health Organization said that there is not sufficient evidence to suggest that SARS-CoV-2 is airborne, except in a handful of medical contexts, such as when intubating an infected patient."

[Maybe your favorite organization could have stopped that this earlier.]

"When public health officials say there isn't sufficient evidence to say that SARS-CoV-2 is airborne, they specifically mean transported in virus-laden aerosols smaller than 5 micrometres in diameter. Compared with droplets, which are heftier and thought to travel only short distances after someone coughs or sneezes before falling to the floor or onto other surfaces, aerosols can linger in the air for longer and travel further."

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00974-w

I didn’t realize that you were as batshit crazy as cuervohola. You just repeated verbatim what Trump said, well at least what he said to Woodward, but not to the rest of our country. I would wager that if you could have asked the 250,000 dead Americans and their families if they would have preferred the truth from the president back then about how to stay safe durning a pandemic they would not have said no don’t tell us don’t want to start a panic and impact the stock market. Trump out and out lied to his own citizens and downplayed the threat even after he was informed by his own hand picked national intelligence director, Robert O’Brien in January that it would be the biggest national security crisis of his presidency and he lies to us about it. What a dumb-ass.

 

[Cuervohola]

Could you just stick with what Trump said, and what Woodward said in his book? He didn't say it was "way more deadly" than the flu. He said "more deadly". Everyone paying attention knew the virus was airborne. That's where social distancing and the 6-feet spacing can from. What was not known for longer was that it could be transferred in aerosol form. Note that Trump didn't say aerosol; he said was that it could be contracted by breathing air.

"“You just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed,” Trump said in the Feb. 7 call. “And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flus."

WHO: "In a scientific brief posted to its website on 27 March, the World Health Organization said that there is not sufficient evidence to suggest that SARS-CoV-2 is airborne, except in a handful of medical contexts, such as when intubating an infected patient."

[Maybe your favorite organization could have stopped that this earlier.]

"When public health officials say there isn't sufficient evidence to say that SARS-CoV-2 is airborne, they specifically mean transported in virus-laden aerosols smaller than 5 micrometres in diameter. Compared with droplets, which are heftier and thought to travel only short distances after someone coughs or sneezes before falling to the floor or onto other surfaces, aerosols can linger in the air for longer and travel further."

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00974-w

I didn’t realize that you were as batshit crazy as cuervohola. You just repeated verbatim what Trump said, well at least what he said to Woodward, but not to the rest of our country. I would wager that if you could have asked the 250,000 dead Americans and their families if they would have preferred the truth from the president back then when making decisions about how to stay safe durning a pandemic they would not have said no don’t tell us don’t want to start a panic and impact the stock market. What a dumbass.

You're dumber than cardboard if you think 250,000 people have died from this "pandemic". Hospitals get paid more if the toe tag says "Covid". They get more to start with if the patient is listed as Covid (under the CARES act), and then of course they can't change it upon death and wouldn't want to anyway.

 

[PlayerRep]

Could you just stick with what Trump said, and what Woodward said in his book? He didn't say it was "way more deadly" than the flu. He said "more deadly". Everyone paying attention knew the virus was airborne. That's where social distancing and the 6-feet spacing can from. What was not known for longer was that it could be transferred in aerosol form. Note that Trump didn't say aerosol; he said was that it could be contracted by breathing air.

"“You just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed,” Trump said in the Feb. 7 call. “And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flus."

WHO: "In a scientific brief posted to its website on 27 March, the World Health Organization said that there is not sufficient evidence to suggest that SARS-CoV-2 is airborne, except in a handful of medical contexts, such as when intubating an infected patient."

[Maybe your favorite organization could have stopped that this earlier.]

"When public health officials say there isn't sufficient evidence to say that SARS-CoV-2 is airborne, they specifically mean transported in virus-laden aerosols smaller than 5 micrometres in diameter. Compared with droplets, which are heftier and thought to travel only short distances after someone coughs or sneezes before falling to the floor or onto other surfaces, aerosols can linger in the air for longer and travel further."

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00974-w

I didn’t realize that you were as batshit crazy as cuervohola. You just repeated verbatim what Trump said, well at least what he said to Woodward, but not to the rest of our country. I would wager that if you could have asked the 250,000 dead Americans and their families if they would have preferred the truth from the president back then about how to stay safe durning a pandemic they would not have said no don’t tell us don’t want to start a panic and impact the stock market. Trump out and out lied to his own citizens and downplayed the threat even after he was informed by his own hand picked national intelligence director, Robert O’Brien in January that it would be the biggest national security crisis of his presidency and he lies to us about it. What a dumb-ass.

I posted what Trump said to show that it wasn't what you said he said. Initially, you said Trump said 3 things. You were wrong on 2.5 of them.

I don't see what Trump said as lies, especially when he explained why he was playing the virus down at times.
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So, you think the 100,000 plus people who died in nursing/elder homes care or were affected by about this?.

 

[Jesse]

“You sent out in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania 1,823,148 absentee or mail-in ballots. You received back 1.4 million approximately. However, in the count for president, you counted 2.5 million. I don’t know what accounts for the 700,000 difference between the ballots you sent out and the number of ballots that ended up in the count,” said Giuliani.

There were 1,823,148 applications for mail-in ballots in the primary election in PA, not the general election. You and Rudy really need to clean up your despicable misinformation campaign what a bunch of complete tools.

 

[Spanky2]

Curious about the Biden supporters. If Trump can prove the apparent Biden win is due to fraud, do they still insist on him becoming President?

 

[Cuervohola]

“You sent out in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania 1,823,148 absentee or mail-in ballots. You received back 1.4 million approximately. However, in the count for president, you counted 2.5 million. I don’t know what accounts for the 700,000 difference between the ballots you sent out and the number of ballots that ended up in the count,” said Giuliani.

There were 1,823,148 applications for mail-in ballots in the primary election in PA, not the general election. You and Rudy really need to clean up your despicable misinformation campaign what a bunch of complete tools.

Morning Cardboard!!!

A bunch of sites said the number you reference was the primary instead of the general? Genius! Random site after random unknown site... Here's a random site, only with evidence straight from the PA voting system..

https://gellerreport.com/2020/11/pa-hearing-expert-witness-the-biden-injection-vote-dump-of-600k-570k-went-for-biden-3200-for-trump.html/

Here's an example of vote switching from the Dominion or other computer system... All they have to do is perform this stunt as much as it takes. PLEASE say it isn't true when it happens right in front of your eyes.

[media]https://youtu.be/Q92EEGhJrOI[/media]

 

[Spanky2]

I believe Trump will remain as President because it is going to be difficult for the Biden snakes to fight the evidence of fraud being produced by the Trump attorneys. Should Biden somehow prevail, he would be the most corrupt President in the history of our Republic surpassing even his mentor Obama.

 

[Cuervohola]

I believe Trump will remain as President because it is going to be difficult for the Biden snakes to fight the evidence of fraud being produced by the Trump attorneys. Should Biden somehow prevail, he would be the most corrupt President in the history of our Republic surpassing even his mentor Obama.

The problem with Biden being President is that EVERYBODY will want him out. The republicans have solid evidence of the pay for play and the firing of the prosecutor in the Ukraine Burisma case, in which Hunter was a beneficiary of Millions. That of course is the tip of the Iceberg. (Video below for all you Libs that think your creepy pedo is innocent).

All the evidence they have is impeachable once the House flips in 2022, which it (or the Senate) has done every midterm besides 3 or 4 times in our History. Then if the Republicans have the Senate, they can remove him from office...

Which all the Dems want anyway to install Harris.

That is the tactical chess move they made, and it is rather genius because it limits the Republican power. If I was Mcconnell or whoever the House speaker would be in said scenario, I would let Biden stay as President.

That would force the Dems to show their true intentions, and all their news stations would be talking about Biden and all his Nursing Home qualities.

Guess who wins in 2024 after a brutal term? Anybody the Republicans pick.

[media]https://youtu.be/UXA--dj2-CY[/media]

 

[grizindabox]

There were 1,823,148 applications for mail-in ballots in the primary election in PA, not the general election. You and Rudy really need to clean up your despicable misinformation campaign what a bunch of complete tools.

Morning Cardboard!!!

A bunch of sites said the number you reference was the primary instead of the general? Genius! Random site after random unknown site... Here's a random site, only with evidence straight from the PA voting system..

https://gellerreport.com/2020/11/pa-hearing-expert-witness-the-biden-injection-vote-dump-of-600k-570k-went-for-biden-3200-for-trump.html/

Here's an example of vote switching from the Dominion or other computer system... All they have to do is perform this stunt as much as it takes. PLEASE say it isn't true when it happens right in front of your eyes.

[media]https://youtu.be/Q92EEGhJrOI[/media]

Did you really even watch? More votes were tabulated that were enough to bump the leader from 49.4% to 49.5% of the vote and drop the opponent that same 0.1% That was not evidence of vote switching?

 

[argh!]

I believe Trump will remain as President because it is going to be difficult for the Biden snakes to fight the evidence of fraud being produced by the Trump attorneys. Should Biden somehow prevail, he would be the most corrupt President in the history of our Republic surpassing even his mentor Obama.

you mean all that 'evidence' that even trump-appointed judges are saying is non-existent?

 

[grizindabox]

I believe Trump will remain as President because it is going to be difficult for the Biden snakes to fight the evidence of fraud being produced by the Trump attorneys. Should Biden somehow prevail, he would be the most corrupt President in the history of our Republic surpassing even his mentor Obama.

Spanky, the Trump team hasn't even claimed fraud in court and has actually stated in court numerous times that they are not claiming fraud. Also, they have presented zero credible evidence of fraud so far.

 

[grizindabox]

I don't know why I am getting into this shitfest.

 

[GRIZ PHAN]

I have no idea where Cue and Spanky2 caught the conspiracy viruses. One symptom is making angry, nonsensical posts on the internet, as evidenced by their posts on this thread. I hope for their speedy recovery, but I have my doubts. It seems quite likely that their symptoms will only increase over the next two to four years. Sad.

Spanky2, you may want to check out how the Trump team is doing in the courts. Losers, big time.

 

[Spanky2]

Phan, they have lost some actions, but it ain’t over til it’s over!

 

[Spanky2]

Box, if Biden stuffed the ballot box wouldn’t that be fraud? Further, if you are a Biden supporter, what is your view of the Biden Crime Family and the activities with China? Is it acceptable to you that the President could be compromised?

 

[PlayerRep]

Morning Cardboard!!!

A bunch of sites said the number you reference was the primary instead of the general? Genius! Random site after random unknown site... Here's a random site, only with evidence straight from the PA voting system..

https://gellerreport.com/2020/11/pa-hearing-expert-witness-the-biden-injection-vote-dump-of-600k-570k-went-for-biden-3200-for-trump.html/

Here's an example of vote switching from the Dominion or other computer system... All they have to do is perform this stunt as much as it takes. PLEASE say it isn't true when it happens right in front of your eyes.

[media]https://youtu.be/Q92EEGhJrOI[/media]

Did you really even watch? More votes were tabulated that were enough to bump the leader from 49.4% to 49.5% of the vote and drop the opponent that same 0.1% That was not evidence of vote switching?

Box, look at the vote numbers for each, not the percentage. The top guy gain 560 votes and the bottom guy loses 560 votes. That's what is being pointed out.

 

[grizatwork]

Unfortunately, this has gone off the rails and devolved into political poop throwing contest.

In an attempt to address cuerohola statement about covid deaths, I will attempt to get this back to the original topic.

I don't necessarily believe that all death's are covid related, but I do believe the vast majority are. Hospitals don't get paid by deaths. They get paid for treatment and there is increased funding for covid treatments. As someone who works in the medical field and run my own practice, I find it unlikely that people are diagnosed with covid without a test to show that they actually have it. The risk of even being accused of fraud and the potential consequences are too great. At least in my practice they are. Also, the reimbursement you get for ICU and advanced cares including ventilators may seem like a lot initially, but once you add in the costs, especially if someone requires months of ICU, you start losing money per diagnosis. In addition, the payroll costs of hospitals has skyrocketed the past 6 months. In additon, there were months that these hospitals cancelled all outpatient and non emergent procedures. This is where they make their money and they lost that revenue stream for months and many are still back to pre pandemic levels.

Up until early October, if you compared excess deaths in the US in 2020 compared to the annual average amounts of deaths from 2015 through 2019 we are actually about 300,000 higher in 2020. Some of this may be related to people not seeking care due to fear of going to the hospital, and there may be a higher suicide rate based on isolation and depression, but there are supposedly lower auto deaths this year as well.

Taking all this into account, most experts believe we have actually undercounted fatalities.

I know that I am 51 in good health with no other complications and this is as sick as I have been. I am 3 weeks later and still exhausted. Smell and taste have still not come back. I have not had a day without a headache and even the slightest exertion will cause me to cough. I can only imagine what it does to anyone else with any other complications. Look up Kenny Maddux. Long time teacher and coach in Great Falls. 69 years old, but still working and coaching. Not obese. Active guy. Recently passed away from it.

I still believe robust RAPID testing and tracing for hot spots and at risk populations could allow us to keep everything else open and active. The day I found out I was positive I told my staff and patients that were in the window of exposure. My receptionist went into the same clinic I did and told them that she was potentially exposed. They would not test her because she did not have symptoms. She had to go to a different place and wait a week. Same story with my assistant. I received rapid test only because I had my clinic shirt on and the Dr. recommended it due to the potential number of people I was in contact with. Our athletes can get tested daily or every other day. Staff in nursing homes and other assisted living facilities are lucky if they get it weekly. Without getting political, I am going to say we underestimated it at every level. There is plenty of blame to go around, but the time we had to catch up we didn't take advantage of it. I only ask that you do what you can do and don't point fingers and don't be proud. Mask, distance, and wash. Take care of what you can and pray everyone else does their part.

Now I will let you animals get back to flinging s#*t at each other.

 

[grizindabox]

Box, if Biden stuffed the ballot box wouldn’t that be fraud? Further, if you are a Biden supporter, what is your view of the Biden Crime Family and the activities with China? Is it acceptable to you that the President could be compromised?

Spanky, my entire point is that currently there is no credible evidence of stuffing the ballot box. Just a lot of accusations that to this point haven't been proven to be anything but baseless rants. So far, not a single Trump Campaign lawyer has accused anyone of fraud in court, and actually several, including Rudy, have stated it was not about fraud. Weird that fraud seems to be left out of all these lawsuits in court? Also, I see Biden no more compromised than our current sitting President.

 

[grizindabox]

Did you really even watch? More votes were tabulated that were enough to bump the leader from 49.4% to 49.5% of the vote and drop the opponent that same 0.1% That was not evidence of vote switching?

Box, look at the vote numbers for each, not the percentage. The top guy gain 560 votes and the bottom guy loses 560 votes. That's what is being pointed out.

That still doesn't prove his narrative. Entry errors are admitted to all the time and corrected. This is why audits are preformed. Are you telling me that there is a giant conspiracy which encompasses hundred if not thousands of people throughout the US and they are so good at it that no one can catch them with enough evidence to prove it?