Next up at Weber 2/27

[i do love the griz]

I absolutely think he deserves a suspension. That was a lot more than just having words at the handshake in that video. If they can prove WW did something then he deserves some punishment too, and I'm sure Travis will take care of that. I haven't been able to watch the game yet so I don't know what can or can't be seen. However spitting on some shoes and what happened in the line are two very different thing. Plenty of guys have spit on Griz players in Missoula and I've never seen it end that way. Pretty classless.

 

[EverettGriz]

For what it's worth, here's a quick video of the dust-up. Certainly doesn't appear that WW did or said anything (or even made eye contact) prior to getting shoved and grabbed. And I don't buy for a moment that he spat on anyone or anything. The camera was right on him when he was alleged to have done it, the officials looked at tape for what seemed like 10 minutes and saw nothing.

Great job by the coaching staffs to be sure it didn't get out of hand, however.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BCUQH6COoqL/

Also, I noted while watching the game live that as TDC was getting guys back to the locker room, Rahe and Bone had a quick, cordial conversation (appeared Rahe was apologizing). There is little doubt how much respect Ken has in this conference. We are extremely fortunate to have him on TDC's staff.

 

[PlayerRep]

For what it's worth, here's a quick video of the dust-up. Certainly doesn't appear that WW did or said anything (or even made eye contact) prior to getting shoved and grabbed. And I don't buy for a moment that he spat on anyone or anything. The camera was right on him when he was alleged to have done it, the officials looked at tape for what seemed like 10 minutes and saw nothing.

Great job by the coaching staffs to be sure it didn't get out of hand, however.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BCUQH6COoqL/

Also, I noted while watching the game live that as TDC was getting guys back to the locker room, Rahe and Bone had a quick, cordial conversation (appeared Rahe was apologizing). There is little doubt how much respect Ken has in this conference. We are extremely fortunate to have him on TDC's staff.

I agree with your analysis and call for suspension. The Weber player didn't even play in the game. Crap like that can't be tolerated. Thanks for posting the video.

 

[WILDCATFAN]

For what it's worth, here's a quick video of the dust-up. Certainly doesn't appear that WW did or said anything (or even made eye contact) prior to getting shoved and grabbed. And I don't buy for a moment that he spat on anyone or anything. The camera was right on him when he was alleged to have done it, the officials looked at tape for what seemed like 10 minutes and saw nothing.

Great job by the coaching staffs to be sure it didn't get out of hand, however.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BCUQH6COoqL/

Also, I noted while watching the game live that as TDC was getting guys back to the locker room, Rahe and Bone had a quick, cordial conversation (appeared Rahe was apologizing). There is little doubt how much respect Ken has in this conference. We are extremely fortunate to have him on TDC's staff.

Here is where I disagree with you, the camera was not on Wright when he was alleged to have done it, I just rewatched the game and concentrated on that part once the camera got down to that part of the court all I could see was the Weber bench yelling and pointing at Wright. And the whole reason the refs didn't call anything was because there was NO video of the incident. While I don't know if it did happen, something happened to get the entire Weber bench upset.

 

[PlayerRep]

For what it's worth, here's a quick video of the dust-up. Certainly doesn't appear that WW did or said anything (or even made eye contact) prior to getting shoved and grabbed. And I don't buy for a moment that he spat on anyone or anything. The camera was right on him when he was alleged to have done it, the officials looked at tape for what seemed like 10 minutes and saw nothing.

Great job by the coaching staffs to be sure it didn't get out of hand, however.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BCUQH6COoqL/

Also, I noted while watching the game live that as TDC was getting guys back to the locker room, Rahe and Bone had a quick, cordial conversation (appeared Rahe was apologizing). There is little doubt how much respect Ken has in this conference. We are extremely fortunate to have him on TDC's staff.

Here is where I disagree with you, the camera was not on Wright when he was alleged to have done it, I just rewatched the game and concentrated on that part once the camera got down to that part of the court all I could see was the Weber bench yelling and pointing at Wright. And the whole reason the refs didn't call anything was because there was NO video of the incident. While I don't know if it did happen, something happened to get the entire Weber bench upset.

It doesn't matter what WW may or may not have done earlier in the game. The conference can't allow any player, let alone a guy who never got in the game, to push and grab an opposing player in the post-game handshake line. Wright could have punched a Weber player earlier in the game, but that doesn't give the Weber guy, or anyone, the right to do what he did when he did. If the spit on shoe defense earlier in the game defense is allowed, then everyone will be allowed to push and shove in the handshake line. Sorry, that's not allowed.

 

[EverettGriz]

For what it's worth, here's a quick video of the dust-up. Certainly doesn't appear that WW did or said anything (or even made eye contact) prior to getting shoved and grabbed. And I don't buy for a moment that he spat on anyone or anything. The camera was right on him when he was alleged to have done it, the officials looked at tape for what seemed like 10 minutes and saw nothing.

Great job by the coaching staffs to be sure it didn't get out of hand, however.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BCUQH6COoqL/

Also, I noted while watching the game live that as TDC was getting guys back to the locker room, Rahe and Bone had a quick, cordial conversation (appeared Rahe was apologizing). There is little doubt how much respect Ken has in this conference. We are extremely fortunate to have him on TDC's staff.

Here is where I disagree with you, the camera was not on Wright when he was alleged to have done it, I just rewatched the game and concentrated on that part once the camera got down to that part of the court all I could see was the Weber bench yelling and pointing at Wright. And the whole reason the refs didn't call anything was because there was NO video of the incident. While I don't know if it did happen, something happened to get the entire Weber bench upset.

Help me here. If you can see the entire weber bench, and you can see them pointing at Wright, how the hell is it not possible to see if Wright was spitting on someone sitting on the bench??

Even watch the discussion between the officials and the head coaches. It's obvious to me that Randy doesn't feel anything was done. He looked a little uncomfortable with the entire shenanigans, and even shook TDC's hand as if to say, "sorry about all that" (left unspoken: and for destroying all your team's momentum....). I'd be surprised if the league doesn't suspend him for a game. And if they don't, I'm certain Randy will. He's a stand-up guy who shouldn't tolerate shit like that from his team.

 

[WILDCATFAN]

For what it's worth, here's a quick video of the dust-up. Certainly doesn't appear that WW did or said anything (or even made eye contact) prior to getting shoved and grabbed. And I don't buy for a moment that he spat on anyone or anything. The camera was right on him when he was alleged to have done it, the officials looked at tape for what seemed like 10 minutes and saw nothing.

Great job by the coaching staffs to be sure it didn't get out of hand, however.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BCUQH6COoqL/

Also, I noted while watching the game live that as TDC was getting guys back to the locker room, Rahe and Bone had a quick, cordial conversation (appeared Rahe was apologizing). There is little doubt how much respect Ken has in this conference. We are extremely fortunate to have him on TDC's staff.

Here is where I disagree with you, the camera was not on Wright when he was alleged to have done it, I just rewatched the game and concentrated on that part once the camera got down to that part of the court all I could see was the Weber bench yelling and pointing at Wright. And the whole reason the refs didn't call anything was because there was NO video of the incident. While I don't know if it did happen, something happened to get the entire Weber bench upset.

Help me here. If you can see the entire weber bench, and you can see them pointing at Wright, how the hell is it not possible to see if Wright was spitting on someone sitting on the bench??

Even watch the discussion between the officials and the head coaches. It's obvious to me that Randy doesn't feel anything was done. He looked a little uncomfortable with the entire shenanigans, and even shook TDC's hand as if to say, "sorry about all that" (left unspoken: and for destroying all your team's momentum....). I'd be surprised if the league doesn't suspend him for a game. And if they don't, I'm certain Randy will. He's a stand-up guy who shouldn't tolerate shit like that from his team.

I already answered your question, please re-read my first few sentences. I'm sure Randy will punish Juan, I don't think the conference needs to get involved, no punches were thrown and no one got hurt and the coaches and other players got the incident taken care of.

In my opinion I don't think what happened warrants a game suspension any more than Will Cherry throwing the ball at Lillard's head did

 

[WILDCATFAN]

For what it's worth, here's a quick video of the dust-up. Certainly doesn't appear that WW did or said anything (or even made eye contact) prior to getting shoved and grabbed. And I don't buy for a moment that he spat on anyone or anything. The camera was right on him when he was alleged to have done it, the officials looked at tape for what seemed like 10 minutes and saw nothing.

Great job by the coaching staffs to be sure it didn't get out of hand, however.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BCUQH6COoqL/

Also, I noted while watching the game live that as TDC was getting guys back to the locker room, Rahe and Bone had a quick, cordial conversation (appeared Rahe was apologizing). There is little doubt how much respect Ken has in this conference. We are extremely fortunate to have him on TDC's staff.

Here is where I disagree with you, the camera was not on Wright when he was alleged to have done it, I just rewatched the game and concentrated on that part once the camera got down to that part of the court all I could see was the Weber bench yelling and pointing at Wright. And the whole reason the refs didn't call anything was because there was NO video of the incident. While I don't know if it did happen, something happened to get the entire Weber bench upset.

It doesn't matter what WW may or may not have done earlier in the game. The conference can't allow any player, let alone a guy who never got in the game, to push and grab an opposing player in the post-game handshake line. Wright could have punched a Weber player earlier in the game, but that doesn't give the Weber guy, or anyone, the right to do what he did when he did. If the spit on shoe defense earlier in the game defense is allowed, then everyone will be allowed to push and shove in the handshake line. Sorry, that's not allowed.

And I'm not saying it should be, Juan shouldn't have pushed Wright, if it were me I would have ignored Wright's handshake. What I am saying is I don't think the conference needs to be involved. Like I said, no punches were thrown and no one got hurt. Let Rahe dish out the punishment. I don't recall many on here yelling for Cherry to get a suspension or a punishment of any kind when Cherry threw a ball at Lillard's head which in my opinion was just as immature and worthy of punishment. (There wasn't any)

 

[MT Jack]

I don't recall many on here yelling for Cherry to get a suspension or a punishment of any kind when Cherry threw a ball at Lillard's head which in my opinion was just as immature and worthy of punishment. (There wasn't any)

Where's the "crickets chirping" emoji?

I don't think Williams actions were validated. I also think Rahe needs to have a "come to Jesus" talk with him about keeping one's emotions in check for the benefit of the whole team. But a player doesn't react like that in the handshake line without reason. Wright did something.

Good stuff here, Wildcats and Griz fans. The tourney looks like it will be evenly contested and with some potential drama as well.

 

[EverettGriz]

I already answered your question, please re-read my first few sentences

No you didn't. Your explanation makes zero sense. Hence my follow up question. If you can see the entire bench, you certainly could see Wright "spitting" on one of them. Of course you didn't, because HE didn't.

And I don't care if you believe a suspension is warranted. I certainly do, and I've read many on social media who agree. I guess we'll see if it's the bsc who takes action, or if Rahe steps up and does so first. I would guess if he suspends him, the league will not. But then, it's Foolerton and the bsc, so they'll probably just go ahead and award him the POY award instead.

And does ANYone recall Cherry throwing a ball at someone following a game?

 

[PlayerRep]

I already answered your question, please re-read my first few sentences

No you didn't. Your explanation makes zero sense. Hence my follow up question. If you can see the entire bench, you certainly could see Wright "spitting" on one of them. Of course you didn't, because HE didn't.

And I don't care if you believe a suspension is warranted. I certainly do, and I've read many on social media who agree. I guess we'll see if it's the bsc who takes action, or if Rahe steps up and does so first. I would guess if he suspends him, the league will not. But then, it's Foolerton and the bsc, so they'll probably just go ahead and award him the POY award instead.

And does ANYone recall Cherry throwing a ball at someone following a game?

I don't recall ever hearing that. One possibility for no sanction is because it didn't occur.

 

[WILDCATFAN]

I already answered your question, please re-read my first few sentences

No you didn't. Your explanation makes zero sense. Hence my follow up question. If you can see the entire bench, you certainly could see Wright "spitting" on one of them. Of course you didn't, because HE didn't.

And I don't care if you believe a suspension is warranted. I certainly do, and I've read many on social media who agree. I guess we'll see if it's the bsc who takes action, or if Rahe steps up and does so first. I would guess if he suspends him, the league will not. But then, it's Foolerton and the bsc, so they'll probably just go ahead and award him the POY award instead.

And does ANYone recall Cherry throwing a ball at someone following a game?

Yes I did, I said that by time the camera got to that area of the court all you could see was the Weber bench pointing at Wright and yelling at the refs, Wright had already moved past the bench and was running under the basket at the time. Don't believe me, REWATCH the Damn thing. You said he was in the video when the "incident" happened, but he and the entire Weber Bench was not in the shot when the "incident" happened.

I like you Everett, there are many things I have agreed with you on and many I haven't, and I have enjoyed most of the back and forth on this board, but saying stupid comments like, "But then, it's Foolerton and the bsc, so they'll probably just go ahead and award him the POY award instead" make you sound foolish.

And if you want I can give you an idea maybe jog your memory a little, In a game in Ogden between Weber and Montana, Weber had the game won , seconds left, Lillard had the ball and was just trying to run out the clock, the whole time Will was poking at Lillard trying to get the ball from him and then when the buzzer went off Lillard calmly put the ball in Cherry's hands and walked away, in turn Cherry turned and threw the ball at the back of Lillard's head. If you want an answer to your question, maybe you should visit the Weber State board and ask any of the Wildcat fans if they remember the incident

 

[EverettGriz]

Dude, you're a good poster. But what the weber bench responded to was the foul call on the and-one (which was obvious, but which they obviously disagreed). And I HAVE watched the damn thing. I don't need to rewatch it, because nothing happened. And I've never claimed anyone was in the shot when something happened, because nothing happened.

Could be. Dunno anything about that but it sounds as though Lillard probably should have simply handed the ball to an official and shook Cherry's hand instead .

 

[wsucatfan]

IAnd does ANYone recall Cherry throwing a ball at someone following a game?

I think WILDCATFAN is mistaken, I believe he's thinking of USU guard Brockeith Pane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOvX8S4_Emo

That said, I would not want to be in Juwan's shoes right now, regardless of what WW did or did not do, you can't retaliate. I am certain that Rahe will handle this matter in-house, and I bet tomorrow's practice is going to be a gut buster.

 

[WILDCATFAN]

Dude, you're a good poster. But what the weber bench responded to was the foul call on the and-one (which was obvious, but which they obviously disagreed). And I HAVE watched the damn thing. I don't need to rewatch it, because nothing happened. And I've never claimed anyone was in the shot when something happened, because nothing happened.

Could be. Dunno anything about that but it sounds as though Lillard probably should have simply handed the ball to an official and shook Cherry's hand instead .

For what it's worth, here's a quick video of the dust-up. Certainly doesn't appear that WW did or said anything (or even made eye contact) prior to getting shoved and grabbed. And I don't buy for a moment that he spat on anyone or anything. The camera was right on him when he was alleged to have done it, the officials looked at tape for what seemed like 10 minutes and saw nothing.

Great job by the coaching staffs to be sure it didn't get out of hand, however.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BCUQH6COoqL/

Also, I noted while watching the game live that as TDC was getting guys back to the locker room, Rahe and Bone had a quick, cordial conversation (appeared Rahe was apologizing). There is little doubt how much respect Ken has in this conference. We are extremely fortunate to have him on TDC's staff.


Last sentence first paragraph, your post. And the bench players weren't reacting to a foul, they were reacting to what transpired between the bench and Walter Wright several of the WSU players pointing at the ground and at Walter.

 

[grizzlyjournal]

I have the absolute highest regard for Randy Rahe and Travis DeCuire. Both are great teachers, counselors and coaches. If anything is done regarding the incident(s), I'm pretty certain the coaches will have carefully considered their actions.

This thread is the first time I'd heard about an incident between Cherry and Lilliard. I DO know they're reputed to be good friends and, in fact, that Lilliard had done some very aggressive promoting over the past two summers to get Will some NBA summer and/or tryout opportunity.

 

[WILDCATFAN]

IAnd does ANYone recall Cherry throwing a ball at someone following a game?

I think WILDCATFAN is mistaken, I believe he's thinking of USU guard Brockeith Pane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOvX8S4_Emo

That said, I would not want to be in Juwan's shoes right now, regardless of what WW did or did not do, you can't retaliate. I am certain that Rahe will handle this matter in-house, and I bet tomorrow's practice is going to be a gut buster.

I apologize to all Griz fans and Will Cherry, I thought it was a Weber/Griz game and I was wrong. I admit it

 

[SWeberCat02]

Intense game. WSU/UM is about the only thing in this conference worth watching anymore.

 

[GrizSteve]

Thank you wsucatfan
One less thing and like other web cats here stand up guy

 

[Ursa Major]

For what it's worth, here's a quick video of the dust-up. Certainly doesn't appear that WW did or said anything (or even made eye contact) prior to getting shoved and grabbed. And I don't buy for a moment that he spat on anyone or anything. The camera was right on him when he was alleged to have done it, the officials looked at tape for what seemed like 10 minutes and saw nothing.

Great job by the coaching staffs to be sure it didn't get out of hand, however.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BCUQH6COoqL/

Also, I noted while watching the game live that as TDC was getting guys back to the locker room, Rahe and Bone had a quick, cordial conversation (appeared Rahe was apologizing). There is little doubt how much respect Ken has in this conference. We are extremely fortunate to have him on TDC's staff.

Here is where I disagree with you, the camera was not on Wright when he was alleged to have done it, I just rewatched the game and concentrated on that part once the camera got down to that part of the court all I could see was the Weber bench yelling and pointing at Wright. And the whole reason the refs didn't call anything was because there was NO video of the incident. While I don't know if it did happen, something happened to get the entire Weber bench upset.

It doesn't matter what WW may or may not have done earlier in the game. The conference can't allow any player, let alone a guy who never got in the game, to push and grab an opposing player in the post-game handshake line. Wright could have punched a Weber player earlier in the game, but that doesn't give the Weber guy, or anyone, the right to do what he did when he did. If the spit on shoe defense earlier in the game defense is allowed, then everyone will be allowed to push and shove in the handshake line. Sorry, that's not allowed.

Nailed it!