Wow, is that how the Federal Government works? I love how many experts sprout up when there is new allegations. Man you guys will come up with all sorts of execuses, won't ya. So when murder trials dragg on for ten plus years, there obviously isn't any substance behind the charges? Perfect example the Berry Beach case, only took him twenty years to get a new trial. I still think that guys is guilty, but what the hell using your logic, it must not have any substance if it took them twenty years to retry the case, right? Hell they were investigating Madoff for a half decade, but as we all know there wasn't substance in that multi-billion dollar scandal.IdaGriz01 said:
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New article: federal harassment complaint filed
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Growler1 said:
Wilson was not a banger from hood. A number of the coaches, including Schramm who was one of the main recruiters, checked him out thoroughly and got to know him and his mother. While he didn't have a great situation growing up, his mom moved to where he could attend Point Loma high school. Point Loma is hardly in the hood. It's a nice area. Here's a link to the Point Loma high school website and blurb on the community.
"Point Loma is a peninsula community. Because of its proximity to the water the area has a sport fishing industry, yacht clubs, and numerous military establishments. Point Loma is known for its historic Cabrillo lighthouse, spectacular ocean views, and various recreational activities. Nearly 67,000 residents live on "the Point," with houses ranging from multi-million dollar estates to small, single-family beach bungalows."
http://www.pointlomahigh.com/about_our_school/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Here's Wilson's UM bio, which says he went to Point Loma high.
http://www.gogriz.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/wilson_jimmy00.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
MooUBaby said:
Growler isn't right on Wilson. See my other post on Wilson's high school. I have known and liked Wilson since he was a frosh. Like many 18 or 19 year olds who come to college, and he was barely 18 when he arrived, he had some growing up and maturing to do. I'd take Wilson over Growler anyday. He has more character than Growler does too.
YttriumGriz39
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Every time I see this guy post this is what I hear.
MooUBaby said:
PlayerRep said:
What ever helps you sleep at night Player. Hey by the way I have some questions for you, go to the 'Hey Playa.." thread and help me out. By the way character guys don't bite women, and you know the other thing he did. Character issue guys do the latter of the previous sentence.
4) Are you an actual lawyer, or do you read mystery novels and dream that you are?
That was my last question for you, since you won't answer the other ones.
Am I misreading this?
From the Missoulian Article
"The federal Office for Civil Rights enforces Title IX, which prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex. If OCR decides to investigate a complaint, a process that usually takes about 30 days, it sends letters of notification to those involved."
As this was filed in Jan 11, 2012. Wouldn't the university have been notified by now??
From the Missoulian Article
"The federal Office for Civil Rights enforces Title IX, which prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex. If OCR decides to investigate a complaint, a process that usually takes about 30 days, it sends letters of notification to those involved."
As this was filed in Jan 11, 2012. Wouldn't the university have been notified by now??
Tokyogriz
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Theres not much here that isnt rehashed of old incidents.
Q the clowns like alpha, growler etc who will come on here pontificating about how the firings of Oday and Pflu have somehow made UM a better place. Yet sexual assaults a few blocks off campus are in the front page the same day this is in the Missoulian. The entire episode attacking the athletic department is BS. The issue is on campus itself, in our town, in our whole society. For those of you celebrating the pain Oday and Pflu and thier families are going through I would say engage your brains and realize that firing these men changes NOTHING.
Q the clowns like alpha, growler etc who will come on here pontificating about how the firings of Oday and Pflu have somehow made UM a better place. Yet sexual assaults a few blocks off campus are in the front page the same day this is in the Missoulian. The entire episode attacking the athletic department is BS. The issue is on campus itself, in our town, in our whole society. For those of you celebrating the pain Oday and Pflu and thier families are going through I would say engage your brains and realize that firing these men changes NOTHING.
bisonboone11
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I think they said that they are evaluating whether or not it should be investigated, so the investigation hasn't actually started yet (if there even will be an investigation). That's my understanding on it. I'm guessing since it became public, they will feel pressured into starting an investigation though, but who knows.EastCoastGriz said:
I dont read the Missoulian much. I did not realize Gwen was this experienced or I would have expected more from her. It sounds like Gwen is an adrenaline junky for bad news, thus she is not interested in making the story balanced. Like so many of us have stated, we dont hear the good news about Griz players. Gwen is not alone, there are many journalist that will do just what she is doing to get the sensationalized story that has the potential to go viral. Providing a balanced or offseting side to this story that would take away the fired up emotion the writer is trying to create in his/her reader would not help the story gain national legs. There is not a lot of ethics in this type of journalism. There appears to be zip in Gwen.getgrizzy said:
SoCal,
I wouldn’t waste your breath with this one. There are a couple of sisters on this board that are absolutely reveling in this, as a huge “I told you so”. Trust me, they act like concerns Griz fans, but are loving every minute of this.
As far as the Missoulian goes, they aren’t even trying to hide it at this point. For those of you complaining about the Missoulian, I invite you to give them a call. I have. Trust me, they are taking this as a challenge at this point, and aren’t even trying to hide their agenda. I’m serious, give them a call. They would be happy to talk about it.
I wouldn’t waste your breath with this one. There are a couple of sisters on this board that are absolutely reveling in this, as a huge “I told you so”. Trust me, they act like concerns Griz fans, but are loving every minute of this.
As far as the Missoulian goes, they aren’t even trying to hide it at this point. For those of you complaining about the Missoulian, I invite you to give them a call. I have. Trust me, they are taking this as a challenge at this point, and aren’t even trying to hide their agenda. I’m serious, give them a call. They would be happy to talk about it.
I am a sugarcoater, but I have also been on record here as supportive of the actions taken. I have met Jim O'Day, but have never met Pflugrad. I feel bad that it appears as if good men lost their jobs, but also know that leaders of men sometimes get the axe for what happens on their watch, even though they can't control everything. Both men know that in that line of work it comes with the territory.
That being said, this harassment complaint has me baffled. First of all, Kemp and Johnson's issues are totally irrelavent. Jimmy Wilson's case is irrelavent as well. This smells to me. It has the feeling of someone in the university community that has no use for any athletes, not just football players. It apppears as if they went to the Missoulian archives or Kaimen archives and just put together past issues in chronilogical order and filed a complaint. It really seems to have someone's personal hatred of athletes all over it. I am not saying that there have not been issues, but the random scattered nature of the copmlaint actually seems to hurt the person's case rather than help it.
That being said, this harassment complaint has me baffled. First of all, Kemp and Johnson's issues are totally irrelavent. Jimmy Wilson's case is irrelavent as well. This smells to me. It has the feeling of someone in the university community that has no use for any athletes, not just football players. It apppears as if they went to the Missoulian archives or Kaimen archives and just put together past issues in chronilogical order and filed a complaint. It really seems to have someone's personal hatred of athletes all over it. I am not saying that there have not been issues, but the random scattered nature of the copmlaint actually seems to hurt the person's case rather than help it.
BigPawzSharpClawz
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The athletic department has the biggest public fish and people whom are looking for a platform to bring attention to this COMMUNITY wide problem are using Griz Football as the spring board for the cause. Has there been less than ideal behavior from UM athletes? YES!
However, I believe that those whom have violated & have enforceable criminal offenses should be removed from the program, the community & pending trial receive the appropriate discipline according to our legal system.
I am of the belief that O'Day & Pflu both are victims of the circumstances associated with community outcry. Our university president, threw them under the bus, backed over them a couple times & then fled the scene to save his own hide!
I overheard a players dad last weekend give a description of the Missoula Drinking Culture..."it's a DRINKING town with a college problem" he went on to say he was given that description from a taxi driver who has lived here for 18 years!
No one on this current Griz Football team is currently a participant within the factual wrong doing. If this latest report is true then it explains an awful lot about the sacrificial lambs that are O'Day & Pflugrad. OUR University President better step up & take his share of the responsibility, too if he is going to save himself this time!
PLAYERS: make sure the young man next to you carries a big box of kleenex to keep each others noses clean...you are being watched very closely! As far as football is concerned, I am glad this semester is almost over but it concerns me about how many guys will want to come back for summer work given the climate of the community right now!
However, I believe that those whom have violated & have enforceable criminal offenses should be removed from the program, the community & pending trial receive the appropriate discipline according to our legal system.
I am of the belief that O'Day & Pflu both are victims of the circumstances associated with community outcry. Our university president, threw them under the bus, backed over them a couple times & then fled the scene to save his own hide!
I overheard a players dad last weekend give a description of the Missoula Drinking Culture..."it's a DRINKING town with a college problem" he went on to say he was given that description from a taxi driver who has lived here for 18 years!
No one on this current Griz Football team is currently a participant within the factual wrong doing. If this latest report is true then it explains an awful lot about the sacrificial lambs that are O'Day & Pflugrad. OUR University President better step up & take his share of the responsibility, too if he is going to save himself this time!
PLAYERS: make sure the young man next to you carries a big box of kleenex to keep each others noses clean...you are being watched very closely! As far as football is concerned, I am glad this semester is almost over but it concerns me about how many guys will want to come back for summer work given the climate of the community right now!
grizatwork said:
I agree with your view of the non-Title IX stuff that was apparently kitchen-sinked into the OCR complaint, but would be very surprised if anyone other than a female student who was enrolled at the school at the time of the events made the basis of the complaint would have "standing" to file such a complaint.
The "investigation" if it hasn't already occured would have NOTHING to do with any cuurent or former athletes actions. What would be "investigated" is how people in authority reacted and whether the procedures in place line up with the policies outlined in the Title IX documents. Once that is etablished the would determine if they are being properly applied or if the school (or departments) has allowed an atmoshpere to be created something to the effect of a number of coeds saying "the football players are like gods, they can do no wrong and the school covers for them until or if actual convictions occur" or maybe an athletic director takes pictures of wounds from an admitted assault to the paper to show it isn't all that bad, or coach's determines discipline as opposed to the discipline committee as defined in the act, and that discipline doesn't change the "eniviroment" or as sensitivity is also important a coach standing before the public extolling the good character of a player on a team beleaguered with rape, participation in gang bangs, and other image issues, currently being investigated for rape (right or wrong pretty insensitive) things like that. (Remember the standard is even one rape and there was one, but he was sorry) The school would if those things are found be ordered to fix them sooner than later. Its not a big deal Seems like the dear colleague letter has been addressed and the deficiencies addressed.
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