NDSU's Formula for Success

[AllWeatherFan]

You're all forgetting one thing. NDSU's roster and depth chart is heavily populated with Minnesota kids. Minnesota football is underrated and the level of football, while not Ohio or Florida or Texas, is definitely worthwhile place to search for talent. When you have former Gatorade Player's of the Year in football like Joe Maurer and Michael Floyd you begin to understand the level of talent. Oh and one more thing for any Montana coaches who might be reading this board. There is a kid by the name of Bridgeport Tussler who is Minnesota's Gatorade Player of the Year in football for this past year and I don't think many people are recruting him. Don't ask me why but it might be worth our effort to find out more about this kid. He was pretty much all of Osseo High Schools offense and also plays basketball. If Montana had been doing its homework and working to get Minnesota kids while they were in the national championships, they would have had the chance to get some of the kids who are currently at NDSU. They rested on their laurels and didn't try to expand their recruiting base.

I have always said that we are at a competitive disadvantage in terms of our geographical isolation. But it's a little tough to recruit Minnesota from here. We will have better luck in WA, OR, CA, etc.

Have you been to Glacier Park during the summer? Every other car has a Minnesota license plate.

It's a nine hour drive to Portland, and it's a sixteen or seventeen hour drive to the Cities.

 

[MNGriz04]

drop down BCS running back with speed=Crockett
disciplined o line well coached on good fundamentals
assignment defense-stayed at home filled the gaps held Flanders and Sincere to less than 100yds rushing

except for the trick play and the one mistake SHST made leaving the tight end open underneath-Sam Houston played excellent coverage-
it is said that games are won or lost at the line....while that may be true.....good db's and safties that know how to cover the pass and deflect and intercept the pass are worth their weight in gold as is the linemen.....these are the most underdeveloped positions whether it be lack of being coached or talented or both in the FCS. These guys are few and SHST and NDST have them both covered......no pun.

Talking about the backend, speed is a HUGE factor.

 

[MNGriz04]

You're all forgetting one thing. NDSU's roster and depth chart is heavily populated with Minnesota kids. Minnesota football is underrated and the level of football, while not Ohio or Florida or Texas, is definitely worthwhile place to search for talent. When you have former Gatorade Player's of the Year in football like Joe Maurer and Michael Floyd you begin to understand the level of talent. Oh and one more thing for any Montana coaches who might be reading this board. There is a kid by the name of Bridgeport Tussler who is Minnesota's Gatorade Player of the Year in football for this past year and I don't think many people are recruting him. Don't ask me why but it might be worth our effort to find out more about this kid. He was pretty much all of Osseo High Schools offense and also plays basketball. If Montana had been doing its homework and working to get Minnesota kids while they were in the national championships, they would have had the chance to get some of the kids who are currently at NDSU. They rested on their laurels and didn't try to expand their recruiting base.

I have always said that we are at a competitive disadvantage in terms of our geographical isolation. But it's a little tough to recruit Minnesota from here. We will have better luck in WA, OR, CA, etc.

Have you been to Glacier Park during the summer? Every other car has a Minnesota license plate.

It's a nine hour drive to Portland, and it's a sixteen or seventeen hour drive to the Cities.

It's only a two to three hour flight.

 

[griz4life]

H
NDSU debunked a lot of assumptions about what it takes to make it to the chipper. It's not a school rich in championship appearances. UND had the better playoff showing in DII.

I think you are thinking of the other NDSU. "The Bison have won ten national championships; they were selected as NCAA College Division champions by polling three times (1965, 1968, 1969), won the NCAA Division II National Football Championship five times (1983, 1985, 1986, 1988, 1990), and have won the NCAA Division I Football Championship twice (2011, 2012)."

I stand corrected. YOu would agree that with 21 years between championship appearances, there wasn't a lot of carry over momentum.

 

[griz4life]

You're all forgetting one thing. NDSU's roster and depth chart is heavily populated with Minnesota kids. Minnesota football is underrated and the level of football, while not Ohio or Florida or Texas, is definitely worthwhile place to search for talent. When you have former Gatorade Player's of the Year in football like Joe Maurer and Michael Floyd you begin to understand the level of talent. Oh and one more thing for any Montana coaches who might be reading this board. There is a kid by the name of Bridgeport Tussler who is Minnesota's Gatorade Player of the Year in football for this past year and I don't think many people are recruting him. Don't ask me why but it might be worth our effort to find out more about this kid. He was pretty much all of Osseo High Schools offense and also plays basketball. If Montana had been doing its homework and working to get Minnesota kids while they were in the national championships, they would have had the chance to get some of the kids who are currently at NDSU. They rested on their laurels and didn't try to expand their recruiting base.

I have always said that we are at a competitive disadvantage in terms of our geographical isolation. But it's a little tough to recruit Minnesota from here. We will have better luck in WA, OR, CA, etc.

Could it be toughter to recruit Minnesotta from Montana than recruting Texas from Montana State, or Oklahoma from Weber State, Or Texas from Cheney Washington? You can get a direct flight from Missoula to Minneapolis Saint Paul, can't you?

 

[MNGriz04]

H
NDSU debunked a lot of assumptions about what it takes to make it to the chipper. It's not a school rich in championship appearances. UND had the better playoff showing in DII.

I think you are thinking of the other NDSU. "The Bison have won ten national championships; they were selected as NCAA College Division champions by polling three times (1965, 1968, 1969), won the NCAA Division II National Football Championship five times (1983, 1985, 1986, 1988, 1990), and have won the NCAA Division I Football Championship twice (2011, 2012)."

I stand corrected. YOu would agree that with 21 years between championship appearances, there wasn't a lot of carry over momentum.

I would agree but the NDSU faithful do not. They contend that their Division II Championships set the foundation for their success at the FCS.

 

[bpcats]

NDSU formula for success is Bobby ball on offense. They get most of their OL from Minnesota and Iowa (massive and well coached). On defense they are actually pretty basic. However they recruit some very physical DB's and safeties. One of the best coached defenses I have ever seen.

I am not looking forward to next years matchup vs NDSU. However, they are not very exotic on offense (which they don't need to be). MSU got a taste of a very physical offense/running game from Stony Brook, and the seniors will remember what happened last time we faced them in the playoffs.

If MSU can figure out how to replace Minter and Schreibeiss (we can't) then we may have had a decent shot at keeping the game close.

Either way we will get a good idea how far we have to go to make the NC.

 

[MNGriz04]

You're all forgetting one thing. NDSU's roster and depth chart is heavily populated with Minnesota kids. Minnesota football is underrated and the level of football, while not Ohio or Florida or Texas, is definitely worthwhile place to search for talent. When you have former Gatorade Player's of the Year in football like Joe Maurer and Michael Floyd you begin to understand the level of talent. Oh and one more thing for any Montana coaches who might be reading this board. There is a kid by the name of Bridgeport Tussler who is Minnesota's Gatorade Player of the Year in football for this past year and I don't think many people are recruting him. Don't ask me why but it might be worth our effort to find out more about this kid. He was pretty much all of Osseo High Schools offense and also plays basketball. If Montana had been doing its homework and working to get Minnesota kids while they were in the national championships, they would have had the chance to get some of the kids who are currently at NDSU. They rested on their laurels and didn't try to expand their recruiting base.

I have always said that we are at a competitive disadvantage in terms of our geographical isolation. But it's a little tough to recruit Minnesota from here. We will have better luck in WA, OR, CA, etc.

Could it be toughter to recruit Minnesotta from Montana than recruting Texas from Montana State, or Oklahoma from Weber State, Or Texas from Cheney Washington? You can get a direct flight from Missoula to Minneapolis Saint Paul, can't you?

Plus I had one of the talking heads on KFAN, the sports talk radio station in the Twin Cities, talking about the Montana Grizzlies with emails about Mark Mariani, Colt Anderson, Trumaine Johnson, Kroy Bierman, Schann Schillinger, and others.

 

[griz4life]

When my wife taught at MSU, the school used to recruit students from the Twin Cities. I was talking to a young guy in Bozeman a couple months ago who discovered Montana as a teenager in Wisconsin taking the Empire Builder to Whitefish every winter for YMCA ski trips.
Big Sky was owned by a Michigan based Boyne USA which promoted the hell out of Montana ski trips and subsidized jet flights from the Midwest to Bozeman to ski Big Sky.

 

[FargoBison]

H
NDSU debunked a lot of assumptions about what it takes to make it to the chipper. It's not a school rich in championship appearances. UND had the better playoff showing in DII.

I think you are thinking of the other NDSU. "The Bison have won ten national championships; they were selected as NCAA College Division champions by polling three times (1965, 1968, 1969), won the NCAA Division II National Football Championship five times (1983, 1985, 1986, 1988, 1990), and have won the NCAA Division I Football Championship twice (2011, 2012)."

I stand corrected. YOu would agree that with 21 years between championship appearances, there wasn't a lot of carry over momentum.

I would agree but the NDSU faithful do not. They contend that their Division II Championships set the foundation for their success at the FCS.

Yeah those titles helped to get the Fargodome built, helped to form a rock solid core of boosters/fans and it was what brought Bohl back to Fargo(he was an assistant coach at NDSU in the 80s, that experience is what created interest in applying for the NDSU job).

 

[EWURanger29]

Screw NDSU, let's get a Big Sky school back in the chipper next season.


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[MNGriz04]

When my wife taught at MSU, the school used to recruit students from the Twin Cities. I was talking to a young guy in Bozeman a couple months ago who discovered Montana as a teenager in Wisconsin taking the Empire Builder to Whitefish every winter for YMCA ski trips.
Big Sky was owned by a Michigan based Boyne USA which promoted the hell out of Montana ski trips and subsidized jet flights from the Midwest to Bozeman to ski Big Sky.

Yep and if you drive around the Twin Cities you will see Montana advertising on billboards, buses, light rail, tv, radio....EVERYWHERE! I'm telling you the Twin Cities/Minnesota market is ripe for recruiting. The farm kids in Greater Minnesota are like the kids from places like Plentywood and Columbus while there's enough to do in Missoula to keep kids from the Twin Cities interested.

Other schools Griz coaches would be wise to check out in Minnesota are Hutchinson, Glencoe-Silver Lake, Mahnomen, Cretin-Derham Hall, Eden Prairie, Minnetonka, and Wayzata.

 

[MNGriz04]

I think you are thinking of the other NDSU. "The Bison have won ten national championships; they were selected as NCAA College Division champions by polling three times (1965, 1968, 1969), won the NCAA Division II National Football Championship five times (1983, 1985, 1986, 1988, 1990), and have won the NCAA Division I Football Championship twice (2011, 2012)."

I stand corrected. YOu would agree that with 21 years between championship appearances, there wasn't a lot of carry over momentum.

I would agree but the NDSU faithful do not. They contend that their Division II Championships set the foundation for their success at the FCS.

Yeah those titles helped to get the Fargodome built, helped to form a rock solid core of boosters/fans and it was what brought Bohl back to Fargo(he was an assistant coach at NDSU in the 80s, that experience is what created interest in applying for the NDSU job).

How long before he heads to Lincoln, in your estimation?

 

[FargoBison]

I stand corrected. YOu would agree that with 21 years between championship appearances, there wasn't a lot of carry over momentum.

I would agree but the NDSU faithful do not. They contend that their Division II Championships set the foundation for their success at the FCS.

Yeah those titles helped to get the Fargodome built, helped to form a rock solid core of boosters/fans and it was what brought Bohl back to Fargo(he was an assistant coach at NDSU in the 80s, that experience is what created interest in applying for the NDSU job).

How long before he heads to Lincoln, in your estimation?

Even though he is probably a perfect fit there I don't see it happening, Nebraska did fire him after all and some of their boosters don't really want him back since his defense performed poorly in his final years.

Honestly I think Bohl is fine with coaching at NDSU until he retires. It seems like has no interest in anything but a major college job in the Midwest.

 

[Brock Landers]

Money talks. I don't see how the Big 12 or Big 10 won't pry him away within the next year or three

 

[MNGriz04]

I would agree but the NDSU faithful do not. They contend that their Division II Championships set the foundation for their success at the FCS.

Yeah those titles helped to get the Fargodome built, helped to form a rock solid core of boosters/fans and it was what brought Bohl back to Fargo(he was an assistant coach at NDSU in the 80s, that experience is what created interest in applying for the NDSU job).

How long before he heads to Lincoln, in your estimation?

Even though he is probably a perfect fit there I don't see it happening, Nebraska did fire him after all and some of their boosters don't really want him back since his defense performed poorly in his final years.

Honestly I think Bohl is fine with coaching at NDSU until he retires. It seems like has no interest in anything but a major college job in the Midwest.

I don't know about that. He was born in Lincoln, grew up in Lincoln, played ball in Lincoln, and coached in Lincoln. Once a Husker, always a Husker. I'm betting he is in Lincoln before four years.

 

[FargoBison]

Money talks. I don't see how the Big 12 or Big 10 won't pry him away within the next year or three

Perhaps but we are talking about a handful of jobs and only a few of those schools would hire an FCS coach. For the record I still can't believe MN didn't hire him in 2007...that is a decision that continues to hunt them since Brewster was so terrible, his arrogance alone let a few great players slip down to NDSU.

 

[TxGriz]

I think that if it weren't for what looked like a bad call by an official in the 2010 quarter finals, NDSU would have been a 3-peat this year. I think it is interesting to note that their defensive coordinator from last year is at USC, so this year it appears their defense didn't miss a beat, although their defense was stronger in last year's game, this year's game had a lot more offense. Let's face it, NDSU looks like another Boise State success story. They can get a lot of leftovers from the Big 10 and what they do, they do very well.

 

[BisonBacker]

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NDSU debunked a lot of assumptions about what it takes to make it to the chipper. It's not a school rich in championship appearances. UND had the better playoff showing in DII.

Exposure to California. Remember when Coach Pflugrad was telling the media that the new Big Sky Conference scheduling scheme could be bad for UM because it wouldn't play as much in Califirnia as it did under the old Big Sky? He said that was bad for recruiting because UM wouldn't have exposure to California. California players signing with the Griz wouldn't get to play in front of their families often. Seems to be working out for the Bison just fine. They've actually gotten better since they played in the Great West.

Here's another thing we learned from NDSU. If you got a coach on your staff that isn't getting it done? He might have a great resume. He might bleed your school colors. He might have more fiery spirit than a cheerleader on meth. If his kids aren't performing. Fire him. Coach Bohl has no problem cutting a coach loose, even a coach as solid as Mike Breske. THe Bison OC has been at the school 15 years. Bohl has been there 10 years. EVeryone else has been there for a much less time. NDSU has six coaches on its staff with four years or less with the Bison. THere are none of Craig's college roomates, or best men or siblings holding a whistle.

Here's another myth debunked. You don't need a staff full of former players or assistants who know your school's brand of football or bleed whatever god awful colors your uniforms are. There are 11 coaches on NDSU's staff. Only four of them are NDSU alums.

Here's another thing we learned, hard schedules aren't bad. NDSU doesn't play the Iowas, the Oregons, the Tennesees of the world. It plays FBS teams it can compete with and it beats them. After that, it plays a conference schedule that's pretty tough year in and year out.

If you are going to post please post something worth reading and not science fiction. UND has won one (that's 1) championship at the DII level in football. Now lets talk about NDSU's tradition rich history of football. NDSU has won ten (that's 10) championships 2 now at the current FCS level. Please at least try to do a little homework before posting such nonsense. UND is a hockey school first and foremost and anyone telling you anything else is just kidding themselves.

 

[BisonBacker]

When my wife taught at MSU, the school used to recruit students from the Twin Cities. I was talking to a young guy in Bozeman a couple months ago who discovered Montana as a teenager in Wisconsin taking the Empire Builder to Whitefish every winter for YMCA ski trips.
Big Sky was owned by a Michigan based Boyne USA which promoted the hell out of Montana ski trips and subsidized jet flights from the Midwest to Bozeman to ski Big Sky.

Yep and if you drive around the Twin Cities you will see Montana advertising on billboards, buses, light rail, tv, radio....EVERYWHERE! I'm telling you the Twin Cities/Minnesota market is ripe for recruiting. The farm kids in Greater Minnesota are like the kids from places like Plentywood and Columbus while there's enough to do in Missoula to keep kids from the Twin Cities interested.

Other schools Griz coaches would be wise to check out in Minnesota are Hutchinson, Glencoe-Silver Lake, Mahnomen, Cretin-Derham Hall, Eden Prairie, Minnetonka, and Wayzata.

One thing you guys overlook in regards to recruiting. It may not play out like this for every kid but many of them it does. You cannot underestimate what it means for a young man to be able to play in front of his family or at least have his family be able to see him play. For you to recruit players from Minnesota the closest game a Minnesota kids family would be able to see him play would be und and grand forks. That would be twice in his collegiate career. The rest of the games they would all have to fly to or drive thousands of miles. That plays a bigger factor than some want to acknowledge. Not saying you couldn't get a kid from Minnesota but I am saying kids are not going to routinely look that direction unless they have no other offers and if that's the case there may be other issues to look at. Anyway it's an interesting discussion.