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NCAA Sanctions
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My hunch is that the Appeals Committee doesn't regularly change the penalty recommendations. But it's certainly not unheard of. For example, Eastern was able to appeal and get their post-season ban lifted.
as best as i can tell we aren't that far along. if an agreement isn't reached it goes to the committee on infractions and they settle it. if we don't like what the committee on infractions says we can take it to the infractions appeals committee. e.w.u. did this a few years ago and was successful at getting a post season ban lifted, however that was very rare.Gaeilge1 said:
based on what mick just said (he was told decision on sanctions would be in by aug 4) we probably won't be going to the c.o.i. because that usually takes another 6-8 weeks. unless it went there 4 weeks or so ago.
grizfan95 said:
They could justify it - saying we got to the playoffs last time using an ineligible player. Eastern lost post season for less than what we have heard (granted they got it back after an appeals process) if they call the laundry incident sexual Harrasment backed up with lack of institutional control who knows what could happen.......
they could. we had three ineligible players in the playoffs. could be engstrom proposed vacating wins and the n.c.a.a. wants a postseason ban. that could be the hang up. they could actually say one year just to make up for 2011 and another year for punishment. very hard to say.tnt said:
Brock Landers
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Let them vacate whatever they want. It's not like anyone thinks anyone other than USC won it all in 2005
Less?
I guess that's arguable. From a competitive advantage point, it's hard to argue that what ewoo did wasn't much, much worse. And obviously the staff there committed violations knowingly with the specific intent of gaining a competitive advantage (ie they cheated on purpose). Frankly, I think the NCAA is going to be hard-pressed to present a scenario where UM's infractions warrant a ban since they waived Eastern's. They're going to have to prove that UM knowingly committed violations. I think that's going to be a very steep climb for them.
Washgrizfan1
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Set forth below are some extra benefit descriptions and their penalties, from the Miami football matter. The ones occurring during recruiting are much more serious. From the what I've heard of the supposed Montana issues, the Montana ones don't seem any more serious than the Miami ones that received a one-game suspension.
"These five student-athletes – Marcus Forston, Sean Ryan Spence, Adewale Ojomo, Travis Benjamin and Jacory Harris – must miss one game and make repayment. Forston received more than $400 in extra benefits from Shapiro and athletic personnel, including athletic equipment, meals, nightclub cover charges and entertainment at a gentleman’s club. Spence received approximately $275 in benefits, including meals, transportation, as well as cover charges and entertainment at a gentleman’s club. Ojomo received $240 in extra benefits, including a meal and nightclub cover charges. Benjamin received more than $150 in extra benefits, including meals and entertainment. Harris received more than $140 in benefits from meals, entertainment, transportation and nightclub cover charges."
"three received substantial benefits as prospective student-athletes from Shapiro and athletics personnel to entice them to enroll at the university, which are considered some of the most serious recruiting violations within the NCAA.
Olivier Vernon, who received more than $1,200 in benefits primarily from Shapiro, must miss six games and make repayment of the value of the benefits. These recruitment benefits included meals, transportation, access to Shapiro’s game suite, drinks, as well as cover charges at two different nightclubs, among others.
Two other student-athletes, Aravious Armstrong and Dyron Dye, will miss four games and must make repayment. Armstrong received approximately $788 in extra benefits from Shapiro and athletics personnel during his recruitment. Dye received approximately $738. These student-athletes’ benefits included five nights of impermissible lodging from institutional staff during their unofficial visits, transportation, multiple meals, and entertainment at a gentleman’s club."
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"These five student-athletes – Marcus Forston, Sean Ryan Spence, Adewale Ojomo, Travis Benjamin and Jacory Harris – must miss one game and make repayment. Forston received more than $400 in extra benefits from Shapiro and athletic personnel, including athletic equipment, meals, nightclub cover charges and entertainment at a gentleman’s club. Spence received approximately $275 in benefits, including meals, transportation, as well as cover charges and entertainment at a gentleman’s club. Ojomo received $240 in extra benefits, including a meal and nightclub cover charges. Benjamin received more than $150 in extra benefits, including meals and entertainment. Harris received more than $140 in benefits from meals, entertainment, transportation and nightclub cover charges."
"three received substantial benefits as prospective student-athletes from Shapiro and athletics personnel to entice them to enroll at the university, which are considered some of the most serious recruiting violations within the NCAA.
Olivier Vernon, who received more than $1,200 in benefits primarily from Shapiro, must miss six games and make repayment of the value of the benefits. These recruitment benefits included meals, transportation, access to Shapiro’s game suite, drinks, as well as cover charges at two different nightclubs, among others.
Two other student-athletes, Aravious Armstrong and Dyron Dye, will miss four games and must make repayment. Armstrong received approximately $788 in extra benefits from Shapiro and athletics personnel during his recruitment. Dye received approximately $738. These student-athletes’ benefits included five nights of impermissible lodging from institutional staff during their unofficial visits, transportation, multiple meals, and entertainment at a gentleman’s club."
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That involved a booster and athletes (and was self reported as I recall.) Thats ONE issue we are facing (of several) The athletes involved are gone (little hard to suspend them.....
Then there is the issue of a certain former executive VP, athletic department employee involved in "benefits" along with the inelligible players issue.
The biggest concern (and i have no clue how significant the concern really is) is what Oday and Pflu knew (If anything) and who they told (if anyone)... Failure to report is a really big deal. If the NCAA even THINKS they failed to report to keep those players playing through the playoffs, it could be really really bad
Then there is the issue of a certain former executive VP, athletic department employee involved in "benefits" along with the inelligible players issue.
The biggest concern (and i have no clue how significant the concern really is) is what Oday and Pflu knew (If anything) and who they told (if anyone)... Failure to report is a really big deal. If the NCAA even THINKS they failed to report to keep those players playing through the playoffs, it could be really really bad
tnt said:
Oh, I'm not saying it isn't possible. It's the NCAA. Shit, they may be so pissed at UM that they rule Coppin State ineligible. I just am rather doubtful that a LOIC ruling is coming.
The only thing that concerns me is Haslam's statement "we'll be better for it." Growing up that was THE LAST thing you ever wanted to hear from an adult in authority (and 40 years ago especially from MD) what was to follow was always bad - really bad. "Time Out" was to recover from the beating that preceded it.
George Ferguson
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TNT, are you on record as claiming Montana engaged in recruiting violations now?
