NCAA sanctions: A different perspective...

[KoolMoeDee]

Define dirty.

 

[Blgs Griz Fan]

Dirty...

MSU style:

Coaches Dealing Meth
Players Distributing Drugs
Guns stored in athletic department lockers later used by players to murder a drug dealer
Players breaking and entering into the mayor's house
Player assaulting a bb player potentially ending his career
Coach's son running around town getting in fights resulting in incarceration

The list could go on.

 

[poorgriz]

Dirty...

MSU style:

Coaches Dealing Meth
Players Distributing Drugs
Guns stored in athletic department lockers later used by players to murder a drug dealer
Players breaking and entering into the mayor's house
Player assaulting a bb player potentially ending his career
Coach's son running around town getting in fights resulting in incarceration

The list could go on.

Oh boy... some pretty far reaches there (What does the coaches son have to do with our program?) And even with that "grasping at straws" reaching... the small list is but a mere fraction of how many player arrests your program has been littered with over the past several years. :roll:

 

[AZGrizFan]

Dirty...

MSU style:

Coaches Dealing Meth
Players Distributing Drugs
Guns stored in athletic department lockers later used by players to murder a drug dealer
Players breaking and entering into the mayor's house
Player assaulting a bb player potentially ending his career
Coach's son running around town getting in fights resulting in incarceration

The list could go on.

Oh boy... some pretty far reaches there (What does the coaches son have to do with our program?) And even with that "grasping at straws" reaching... the small list is but a mere fraction of how many player arrests your program has been littered with over the past several years. :roll:

I know. Because being arrested means they're automatically guilty, right? :?

 

[KoolMoeDee]

I should have known better.

 

[poorgriz]

Dirty...

MSU style:

Coaches Dealing Meth
Players Distributing Drugs
Guns stored in athletic department lockers later used by players to murder a drug dealer
Players breaking and entering into the mayor's house
Player assaulting a bb player potentially ending his career
Coach's son running around town getting in fights resulting in incarceration

The list could go on.

Oh boy... some pretty far reaches there (What does the coaches son have to do with our program?) And even with that "grasping at straws" reaching... the small list is but a mere fraction of how many player arrests your program has been littered with over the past several years. :roll:

I know. Because being arrested means they're automatically guilty, right? :?

No... sorry, I forgot things work a bit differently in Missoula. Th reason you've had so many arrests these past few years is because they're all out to get the big bad football program. Mainly the corrupt Missoula PD... and of course Gwen Florio.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SlKZujGZi0I

 

[grizatwork]

Again I find it sad that this has devolved into an arguement of whose program has made the most or biggest mistakes.

I said it when the NCAA came to town that they would find something wrong. The NCAA is not going to do any investigation and leave empty handed. This happens for a couple of reasons. Reason one is that they are the NCAA and like any beaurocratic organization, they are ego driven and have staff that has to justify their paychecks. Secondly and more importantly, every program has boosters that cross the line. If the NCAA parked their vehicles in Bozeman for a year, they would find violations. It happens. There are boosters who get some sort of validation at access and insider status. They are at every campus in the nation. You can educate the boosters, you can educate the players, you could do whatever you wanted, but violations will still happen because boosters have just as big of egos as the NCAA and they can justify it in their minds that they are really doing nothing wrong. In the grand scheme of things, many things that are being done are minor and probably should not be violations. The fact of the matter is that they are violations and should be treated as such. Grow up and quit trying to sit at the cool table. If you feel the need to help these kids out and have the money to do so, donate to upgrade weight room, locker rooms, and other facilities. Just stay away from the kids.

 

[poorgriz]

Again I find it sad that this has devolved into an arguement of whose program has made the most or biggest mistakes.

I said it when the NCAA came to town that they would find something wrong. The NCAA is not going to do any investigation and leave empty handed. This happens for a couple of reasons. Reason one is that they are the NCAA and like any beaurocratic organization, they are ego driven and have staff that has to justify their paychecks. Secondly and more importantly, every program has boosters that cross the line. If the NCAA parked their vehicles in Bozeman for a year, they would find violations. It happens. There are boosters who get some sort of validation at access and insider status. They are at every campus in the nation. You can educate the boosters, you can educate the players, you could do whatever you wanted, but violations will still happen because boosters have just as big of egos as the NCAA and they can justify it in their minds that they are really doing nothing wrong. In the grand scheme of things, many things that are being done are minor and probably should not be violations. The fact of the matter is that they are violations and should be treated as such. Grow up and quit trying to sit at the cool table. If you feel the need to help these kids out and have the money to do so, donate to upgrade weight room, locker rooms, and other facilities. Just stay away from the kids.

I completely agree with your premise that every college football program has idiotic boosters that cross the line. But IMO, the biggest difference here is that Ash and co are very, very careful about this topic, sometimes to the point of going overboard on doing whatever he can to make sure the boosters are aware of and strictly follow the rules. You should see the lecture that host parents get when hosting players in town for the Triangle Classic.

It would appear that the leaders at UM have not been quite as diligent in this area. AdditionalIy, I can absolutely promise you that Ash would have reported any violations that he learned of, immediately.

 

[Washgrizfan1]

Again I find it sad that this has devolved into an arguement of whose program has made the most or biggest mistakes.

I said it when the NCAA came to town that they would find something wrong. The NCAA is not going to do any investigation and leave empty handed. This happens for a couple of reasons. Reason one is that they are the NCAA and like any beaurocratic organization, they are ego driven and have staff that has to justify their paychecks. Secondly and more importantly, every program has boosters that cross the line. If the NCAA parked their vehicles in Bozeman for a year, they would find violations. It happens. There are boosters who get some sort of validation at access and insider status. They are at every campus in the nation. You can educate the boosters, you can educate the players, you could do whatever you wanted, but violations will still happen because boosters have just as big of egos as the NCAA and they can justify it in their minds that they are really doing nothing wrong. In the grand scheme of things, many things that are being done are minor and probably should not be violations. The fact of the matter is that they are violations and should be treated as such. Grow up and quit trying to sit at the cool table. If you feel the need to help these kids out and have the money to do so, donate to upgrade weight room, locker rooms, and other facilities. Just stay away from the kids.

I completely agree with your premise that every college football program has idiotic boosters that cross the line. But IMO, the biggest difference here is that Ash and co are very, very careful about this topic, sometimes to the point of going overboard on doing whatever he can to make sure the boosters are aware of and strictly follow the rules. You should see the lecture that host parents get when hosting players in town for the Triangle Classic.

It would appear that the leaders at UM have not been quite as diligent in this area. AdditionalIy, I can absolutely promise you that Ash would have reported any violations that he learned of, immediately.

So Ash inquires every time a player is arrested or charged, to make sure the player or the family is paying the legal fees? And Ash inquires to find out who the attorney is, and then investigates to see whether he/she is a booster?

Like Pflugrad, Ash wouldn't have known that another player's mom was a booster and that she would have to receive payback of her several hundred loan to the grandfather within 24 hours. No one had even heard of that rule.

 

[Washgrizfan1]

Again I find it sad that this has devolved into an arguement of whose program has made the most or biggest mistakes.

I said it when the NCAA came to town that they would find something wrong. The NCAA is not going to do any investigation and leave empty handed. This happens for a couple of reasons. Reason one is that they are the NCAA and like any beaurocratic organization, they are ego driven and have staff that has to justify their paychecks. Secondly and more importantly, every program has boosters that cross the line. If the NCAA parked their vehicles in Bozeman for a year, they would find violations. It happens. There are boosters who get some sort of validation at access and insider status. They are at every campus in the nation. You can educate the boosters, you can educate the players, you could do whatever you wanted, but violations will still happen because boosters have just as big of egos as the NCAA and they can justify it in their minds that they are really doing nothing wrong. In the grand scheme of things, many things that are being done are minor and probably should not be violations. The fact of the matter is that they are violations and should be treated as such. Grow up and quit trying to sit at the cool table. If you feel the need to help these kids out and have the money to do so, donate to upgrade weight room, locker rooms, and other facilities. Just stay away from the kids.

The three UM booster husband/wives, who provided the meal benefits, don't appear to have been athletic insiders or ones with access (whatever that means). I heard that the head coach didn't know who they were, and that the athletic director doesn't know their names. It looks like these people may have just been normal people, who follow Griz football, and who were being nice to kids/players.

 

[CatzWillRise]

Again I find it sad that this has devolved into an arguement of whose program has made the most or biggest mistakes.

I said it when the NCAA came to town that they would find something wrong. The NCAA is not going to do any investigation and leave empty handed. This happens for a couple of reasons. Reason one is that they are the NCAA and like any beaurocratic organization, they are ego driven and have staff that has to justify their paychecks. Secondly and more importantly, every program has boosters that cross the line. If the NCAA parked their vehicles in Bozeman for a year, they would find violations. It happens. There are boosters who get some sort of validation at access and insider status. They are at every campus in the nation. You can educate the boosters, you can educate the players, you could do whatever you wanted, but violations will still happen because boosters have just as big of egos as the NCAA and they can justify it in their minds that they are really doing nothing wrong. In the grand scheme of things, many things that are being done are minor and probably should not be violations. The fact of the matter is that they are violations and should be treated as such. Grow up and quit trying to sit at the cool table. If you feel the need to help these kids out and have the money to do so, donate to upgrade weight room, locker rooms, and other facilities. Just stay away from the kids.

Truth. The NCAA will find violations anywhere. The secret is, don't do anything big enough to get them here.

It's like speeding. You go 4,5 miles above the speed limit, chances are you'll be fine. Start going 10, 15...

 

[Blgs Griz Fan]

The point of my previous post is that MSU has in the past and still does have issues and potential NCAA violations. I hope they don't have the NCAA camp on campus and do a rectal exam similar to what just happened at Montana.
In looking at the recent past there are some very serious issues and criminal activities going on in kitty land. Scott Ash is an indication of the mentoring and discipline talents of his parents. He is an extension of all that is RAsh.
I really can't wait for the season to start because it's going to be a great year to be a Griz fan. It'll really be interesting to see how MSU does against the National Champions in Fargo this year. A game like that so early in the season should tell us just how good the cats really are.

 

[rimrockgriz]

Again I find it sad that this has devolved into an arguement of whose program has made the most or biggest mistakes.

I said it when the NCAA came to town that they would find something wrong. The NCAA is not going to do any investigation and leave empty handed. This happens for a couple of reasons. Reason one is that they are the NCAA and like any beaurocratic organization, they are ego driven and have staff that has to justify their paychecks. Secondly and more importantly, every program has boosters that cross the line. If the NCAA parked their vehicles in Bozeman for a year, they would find violations. It happens. There are boosters who get some sort of validation at access and insider status. They are at every campus in the nation. You can educate the boosters, you can educate the players, you could do whatever you wanted, but violations will still happen because boosters have just as big of egos as the NCAA and they can justify it in their minds that they are really doing nothing wrong. In the grand scheme of things, many things that are being done are minor and probably should not be violations. The fact of the matter is that they are violations and should be treated as such. Grow up and quit trying to sit at the cool table. If you feel the need to help these kids out and have the money to do so, donate to upgrade weight room, locker rooms, and other facilities. Just stay away from the kids.

I completely agree with your premise that every college football program has idiotic boosters that cross the line. But IMO, the biggest difference here is that Ash and co are very, very careful about this topic, sometimes to the point of going overboard on doing whatever he can to make sure the boosters are aware of and strictly follow the rules. You should see the lecture that host parents get when hosting players in town for the Triangle Classic.

It would appear that the leaders at UM have not been quite as diligent in this area. AdditionalIy, I can absolutely promise you that Ash would have reported any violations that he learned of, immediately.

Kinda like the Ryan Braun, Aaron Rodgers , Ill bet one years pay deal...right...you can't absolutely promise sh!t... so go back to your hole and f..k yourself ! ! :egriz:

 

[dupuyer griz]

The point of my previous post is that MSU has in the past and still does have issues and potential NCAA violations. I hope they don't have the NCAA camp on campus and do a rectal exam similar to what just happened at Montana.
In looking at the recent past there are some very serious issues and criminal activities going on in kitty land. Scott Ash is an indication of the mentoring and discipline talents of his parents. He is an extension of all that is RAsh.
I really can't wait for the season to start because it's going to be a great year to be a Griz fan. It'll really be interesting to see how MSU does against the National Champions in Fargo this year. A game like that so early in the season should tell us just how good the cats really are.

I hope you're being sarcastic here since MSU backed out of that game.

 

[KoolMoeDee]

The point of my previous post is that MSU has in the past and still does have issues and potential NCAA violations. I hope they don't have the NCAA camp on campus and do a rectal exam similar to what just happened at Montana.
In looking at the recent past there are some very serious issues and criminal activities going on in kitty land. Scott Ash is an indication of the mentoring and discipline talents of his parents. He is an extension of all that is RAsh.
I really can't wait for the season to start because it's going to be a great year to be a Griz fan. It'll really be interesting to see how MSU does against the National Champions in Fargo this year. A game like that so early in the season should tell us just how good the cats really are.

I hope you're being sarcastic here since MSU backed out of that game.

bought

 

[grizatwork]

Again I find it sad that this has devolved into an arguement of whose program has made the most or biggest mistakes.

I said it when the NCAA came to town that they would find something wrong. The NCAA is not going to do any investigation and leave empty handed. This happens for a couple of reasons. Reason one is that they are the NCAA and like any beaurocratic organization, they are ego driven and have staff that has to justify their paychecks. Secondly and more importantly, every program has boosters that cross the line. If the NCAA parked their vehicles in Bozeman for a year, they would find violations. It happens. There are boosters who get some sort of validation at access and insider status. They are at every campus in the nation. You can educate the boosters, you can educate the players, you could do whatever you wanted, but violations will still happen because boosters have just as big of egos as the NCAA and they can justify it in their minds that they are really doing nothing wrong. In the grand scheme of things, many things that are being done are minor and probably should not be violations. The fact of the matter is that they are violations and should be treated as such. Grow up and quit trying to sit at the cool table. If you feel the need to help these kids out and have the money to do so, donate to upgrade weight room, locker rooms, and other facilities. Just stay away from the kids.

The three UM booster husband/wives, who provided the meal benefits, don't appear to have been athletic insiders or ones with access (whatever that means). I heard that the head coach didn't know who they were, and that the athletic director doesn't know their names. It looks like these people may have just been normal people, who follow Griz football, and who were being nice to kids/players.

I am not going to argue with you. I agree with your premise. We have a history of hospitality in Missoula. We will scream and yell opposing players during the game but buy their fans drinks all night long the night before. My point is that no good deed goes unpunished. Being nice to some out of town or out of state kids sounds good in theory, but it came back to bite us. You also know that there are many boosters who like to brag out their sources. Some of them post here.

As far as Bozeman is concerned. I would be careful before you bestow sainthood on Ash. He appears to want to do everything right, but even he can't control everything. Boosters will be boosters and kids will be kids and it is going on right now in Bozeman.

 

[poorgriz]

The point of my previous post is that MSU has in the past and still does have issues and potential NCAA violations. I hope they don't have the NCAA camp on campus and do a rectal exam similar to what just happened at Montana.
In looking at the recent past there are some very serious issues and criminal activities going on in kitty land. Scott Ash is an indication of the mentoring and discipline talents of his parents. He is an extension of all that is RAsh.
I really can't wait for the season to start because it's going to be a great year to be a Griz fan. It'll really be interesting to see how MSU does against the National Champions in Fargo this year. A game like that so early in the season should tell us just how good the cats really are.

Hmmm, ok. So Rob Ash is the one with mentoring and discipline problems with his program? That makes perfect sense. And bringing his son into the discussion is not only classless, but really has no merit... Especially if you know anything about his son.

 

[JBS]

2506 and poorgriz are lamebrains. A short term loan that apparently wasn't short enough, a Mother feeding some hungry football players, and some hotdogs on the way out of the stadium just don't compare with a meth dealing coach and murdering basketball players. They are just dumbasses who are upset that the penalties weren't worse. Our front lines will mow over theirs bigtime this year, again. Enough of that idiocy.

Back to the original point, the only villains in this whole mess are the NCAA. They spent 18 months here fishing and hunting, long enough to gain residency. Home cooked meals, short term loans, and hotdogs? Believe me, the compliance department knows who the problem boosters are and warns players and family alike about them. When the SEC tells the NCAA to go screw themselves (which will be soon), the domino theory will be in full effect and the NCAA will become irrelevant. In fact, the only relevance they have now is given to them by the institutions they lord over. It is coming to an end.

 

[EverettGriz]

Back to the original point, the only villains in this whole mess are the NCAA

This.
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['68griz]

Back to the original point, the only villains in this whole mess are the NCAA

This.
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