NCAA ruling

[info]

(but I'm sure you already know this and are just cruising around in your trolling boat).

Everyone in Bozeman is going to soon be disappointed in the slap on the wrist we’re currently negotiating with the NCAA. There is no way we will be sanctioned for the ticky tack crap that was found.

If the trolls on the board really bother you I think you are taking things way to series. I say don’t ban any of them especially growler. He's a prick for sure but he still adds quite a bit to the discussions on this board.

Everettgriz has no room to talk, he has been trolling scatnation for years.

Really? So it's taken this long of an investigation, and then a lengthy "Negotiation" process to determine if UM will lose one or two hours pf practice time a week? Another poster talked about what had already been leaked... and you say "ticky tack", but we're obviously talking about more than extra ketchup on hot dogs here. Legal representation of arrested players, playing games with ineligible players, not doing enough to minimize players getting in trouble with the law, and an overall "lack of institutional control" are some of the relatively major things Iv'e heard. As someone else pointed out, they're probably trying to come to a compromise on the issues of vacated wins, loss of scholarships, and potentially post season bans. Personally I hope the ban doesn't happen, because I want the CATS to beat you senseless twice in one year! :lol: :thumb:

Wasn't too long ago that many cat fans were proclaiming the death penalty was coming. What happened to all of those insiders?

I think they're over on scatnation jerking off to pics of Cody Kirk in his new uni... :lol:

 

[indian-outlaw]

FWIW my brother in law (a former Big Sky AD - not here) says the likely sticking point in the negotiations IS a post season ban. Prolly one year. His feeling is the year in question that we have offered to vacate the wins is also a year we made a deep run in the play-offs. I'm hoping he is wrong, but strangely it makes sense (if anything regarding the NCAA makes sense)

Jim Foley's involvement in the tazer-gate would appears (to him) to be the problem.

What hand do we have to play when it comes to negotiating with the NCAA? It sounds like we have already cooperated in giving our recommendations for punishment and it was rejected by the NCAA. Do they now come back to us with their recommendations for us to accept or reject? What leg do we have to stand on in the negotiations? Isn’t it essentially just the NCAA deciding whether they are going to accept what we have proposed? Why don’t they just dole out the punishment and get on with it?

 

[Grizbeer]

Personally I hope the ban doesn't happen, because I want the CATS to beat you senseless twice in one year! :lol: :thumb:

You should be careful what you wish for - the last time the Cat's knocked the Griz senseless (winning by more than 10 points) was in 1985, and you saw how the next 16 years went for you. Of course by the same measure the Cat's have only knocked 1 team senseless in the playoffs since then as well (Furman, '05) and then a bunch of bad things happened to the program that were a bit embarrassing for your program. Maybe beating "senseless" either the Griz or playoff teams is a bad thing for the Cats, and you should just refrain from doing so like you usually do. :thumb:

 

[OptimusPrime]

(but I'm sure you already know this and are just cruising around in your trolling boat).

Everyone in Bozeman is going to soon be disappointed in the slap on the wrist we’re currently negotiating with the NCAA. There is no way we will be sanctioned for the ticky tack crap that was found.

If the trolls on the board really bother you I think you are taking things way to series. I say don’t ban any of them especially growler. He's a prick for sure but he still adds quite a bit to the discussions on this board.

Everettgriz has no room to talk, he has been trolling scatnation for years.

Really? So it's taken this long of an investigation, and then a lengthy "Negotiation" process to determine if UM will lose one or two hours pf practice time a week? Another poster talked about what had already been leaked... and you say "ticky tack", but we're obviously talking about more than extra ketchup on hot dogs here. Legal representation of arrested players, playing games with ineligible players, not doing enough to minimize players getting in trouble with the law, and an overall "lack of institutional control" are some of the relatively major things Iv'e heard. As someone else pointed out, they're probably trying to come to a compromise on the issues of vacated wins, loss of scholarships, and potentially post season bans. Personally I hope the ban doesn't happen, because I want the CATS to beat you senseless twice in one year! :lol: :thumb:

Wasn't too long ago that many cat fans were proclaiming the death penalty was coming. What happened to all of those insiders?

Like who?

 

[poorgriz]

I've never said anything about the Death Penalty. All I've ever said is that you guys are in trouble for more than ketchup on hot dogs. TNT put it perfectly above, which is what I heard from a griz fan buddy as well.

 

[tnt]

FWIW my brother in law (a former Big Sky AD - not here) says the likely sticking point in the negotiations IS a post season ban. Prolly one year. His feeling is the year in question that we have offered to vacate the wins is also a year we made a deep run in the play-offs. I'm hoping he is wrong, but strangely it makes sense (if anything regarding the NCAA makes sense)

Jim Foley's involvement in the tazer-gate would appears (to him) to be the problem.

What hand do we have to play when it comes to negotiating with the NCAA? It sounds like we have already cooperated in giving our recommendations for punishment and it was rejected by the NCAA. Do they now come back to us with their recommendations for us to accept or reject? What leg do we have to stand on in the negotiations? Isn’t it essentially just the NCAA deciding whether they are going to accept what we have proposed? Why don’t they just dole out the punishment and get on with it?

Without sounding overly cynical, my personal belief is that the "negotiation" for lack of better word has two parts. They hope what the school suggests is worse than what they had in mind so they are off the hookbcause they are only accepting what the school has suggested and the second part is they want the school to be hurt WITHOUT overly affecting cash-flow (towards the NCAA.)

 

[Brock Landers]

(but I'm sure you already know this and are just cruising around in your trolling boat).

Everyone in Bozeman is going to soon be disappointed in the slap on the wrist we’re currently negotiating with the NCAA. There is no way we will be sanctioned for the ticky tack crap that was found.

If the trolls on the board really bother you I think you are taking things way to series. I say don’t ban any of them especially growler. He's a prick for sure but he still adds quite a bit to the discussions on this board.

Everettgriz has no room to talk, he has been trolling scatnation for years.

Really? So it's taken this long of an investigation, and then a lengthy "Negotiation" process to determine if UM will lose one or two hours pf practice time a week? Another poster talked about what had already been leaked... and you say "ticky tack", but we're obviously talking about more than extra ketchup on hot dogs here. Legal representation of arrested players, playing games with ineligible players, not doing enough to minimize players getting in trouble with the law, and an overall "lack of institutional control" are some of the relatively major things Iv'e heard. As someone else pointed out, they're probably trying to come to a compromise on the issues of vacated wins, loss of scholarships, and potentially post season bans. Personally I hope the ban doesn't happen, because I want the CATS to beat you senseless twice in one year! :lol: :thumb:

Close, one of the two programs definitely beats the other one "senseless" at a pretty decent rate... guess you'll just have to settle for some occasional close wins against us right before your annual evisceration in the playoffs

 

['68griz]

Gawd, I just want the ruling to be officially announced so that we don't have to continue to listen to people who "KNOW" what is going on making pronouncements about their so-called knowledge. :x

 

[getgrizzy]

FWIW my brother in law (a former Big Sky AD - not here) says the likely sticking point in the negotiations IS a post season ban. Prolly one year. His feeling is the year in question that we have offered to vacate the wins is also a year we made a deep run in the play-offs. I'm hoping he is wrong, but strangely it makes sense (if anything regarding the NCAA makes sense)

Jim Foley's involvement in the tazer-gate would appears (to him) to be the problem.

What hand do we have to play when it comes to negotiating with the NCAA? It sounds like we have already cooperated in giving our recommendations for punishment and it was rejected by the NCAA. Do they now come back to us with their recommendations for us to accept or reject? What leg do we have to stand on in the negotiations? Isn’t it essentially just the NCAA deciding whether they are going to accept what we have proposed? Why don’t they just dole out the punishment and get on with it?

teams have been able to get sanctions removed in the past, but its rare. in 2009 e.w.u. was hit with a postseason ban, three yr probation, two schols for three years, one coach reduction and limited them to three non-qualifiers from seven. all that for having one coach over the limit, room and board for two players not eligible for it yet, and improper practice activities. they had the postseason ban removed after some negotiating and going to the infractions appeal committee. eastern would go on to qualify for the playoffs that year.

 

[Lovethecats75]

I do not feel for griz fans to often but in this case I do. I keep reading that the administration is negotiating with the NCAA. If I was a griz fan I would be concerned that the administration is negotiating for tougher sanctions, the morons that they are. I truly hope that for all the good griz fans,( yes there are a lot of GOOD fans) I hope this is put to bed soon and you can all move on to a fun season.

 

[curiousobserver]

Since there seems to be uncertainty among those ‘in the know’ about the on-going negotiations between the NCAA and UM and the resulting delay of the NCAA announcement of findings and penalties, I am wondering if the issue below has anything to do with the negotiations?

This information was posted here on egriz back on July 26, 2012, almost a year ago. That egriz thread is where I first heard the linked KGVO audio and when I first wondered if it was going to be an issue. There have been 1015 views so I assume many of you have already heard the audio. Here’s the Egriz link:
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Video from Delaney Press Conference
by peterc » Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:16 am

If you listen to the audio, the remarks in question start at about the 3:40 mark. At that point he refers to “being from Butte” and then refers to being asked by his family “… did you cover the spread?” He then adds “… I don’t know, I don’t look at those things ...” Here’s the KGVO link:
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Mick Delaney Now Official Griz Head Football Coach
By Peter Christian July 26, 2012 12:04 PM

It seems that this was a bad joke made by the wrong guy (the head football coach of an NCAA-regulated college) about the wrong subject (gambling on college sports, which is taboo in the eyes of the NCAA and the DOJ) in the wrong setting (a press conference where there are microphones and cameras present) while both the NCAA and DOJ were already in town. I would guess most people around the state of Montana got the joke and laughed at it as did the people in the room. We’ve all been to Butte and/or have heard about Butte so we get the joke. However, the NCAA and DOJ are not from Montana and may not see the humor in Delaney’s remarks because the subject is the ’third rail’ of NCAA sports.

Even though this would seem to be just a harmless bad joke, it sounds like the NCAA is concerned about ‘important’ issues like hot dog consumption within the UM athletic department so maybe they are also concerned about a bad joke when it pertains to gambling. Or maybe they will just chalk it up to stupidity on the part of Delaney and leave it at that.

 

[wbtfg]

If that were the issue, mick would not be employed by um right now.

I think youre overthinking this one.

 

[Ursa Major]

If that were the issue, mick would not be employed by um right now.

I think youre overthinking this one.

Mick has never fully explained his whereabouts on November 22, 1963 either... coincidence? I don't think so.

It's unfortunate that 2 of the 3 NCAA investigators assigned to this case were abducted by aliens in their sleep as children and inserted with cognition control chips (AKA: CCC). If this were not the case, we could finally be getting some answers here...

 

[kemajic]

I do not feel for griz fans to often but in this case I do. I keep reading that the administration is negotiating with the NCAA. If I was a griz fan I would be concerned that the administration is negotiating for tougher sanctions, the morons that they are. I truly hope that for all the good griz fans,( yes there are a lot of GOOD fans) I hope this is put to bed soon and you can all move on to a fun season.

Not far off. Engstom would love schollie and / or coach reduction to bag the money and also knows UM does not benefit financially from playoff participation. What little is made by home games is lost on road games.

 

[nzone]

While it seems logical that the additional monies from scholarship reductions and playoff participation would increase the "general funds position" Engstrom surely must understand the importance of enrollment and its relationship to athletics. I'm assuming those figures are due to come out within the month and another 4 to 5 percent decrease could be catastrophic to his budget and the University as a whole. It is my understanding that a major violation resulting in a post season ban would be disclosed by the NCAA. The penalty should fit the crime and no matter how this turns out the Montana brand has been severely damaged by all this crap. Regardless how this turns out the 2013 football team carries a heavy burden on and off the field and thus far they have responded admirably. No names in the paper this summer :thumb: Engstrom has to understand the cause and effect of athletics to the health of the university or it's doomed. Anyone know what enrollment figures look like?

 

[kemajic]

Engstrom has to understand the cause and effect of athletics to the health of the university or it's doomed.

A good portion of his faculty works diligently to convince him otherwise.

 

[WaGriz4life]

Engstrom has to understand the cause and effect of athletics to the health of the university or it's doomed.

A good portion of his faculty works diligently to convince him otherwise.

Fact

 

['68griz]

Engstrom has to understand the cause and effect of athletics to the health of the university or it's doomed.

A good portion of his faculty works diligently to convince him otherwise.

Fact

Sigh! I hate to acknowledge how right you are.