NCAA ruling

[getgrizzy]

I'm not questioning what you say, get grizzy. I'm only wondering why you seem to be the ONLY person on this board who supposedly knows anything about the NCAA rulings. That seems odd to me.

oh i'm not the only person on the board that has gotten info on this. others probably know more than i do. a lot of what i'm saying is just guess work. if someone else has something more logical that's great. there has to be something more than just what we've heard or why else would the n.c.a.a. reject our proposal of 4 scholarships for three years, six vacated games and reduced practice time. that sounds like a lot to me, unless we didn't self report.

 

[HighLineGRIZ]

Our compliance issues appear to resemble Boise State's a few years ago. My guess is that it is a similar penalty, unless there is something more looming out there that is being weighed by the NCAA.

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[Washgrizfan1]

I'm not questioning what you say, get grizzy. I'm only wondering why you seem to be the ONLY person on this board who supposedly knows anything about the NCAA rulings. That seems odd to me.

oh i'm not the only person on the board that has gotten info on this. others probably know more than i do. a lot of what i'm saying is just guess work. if someone else has something more logical that's great. there has to be something more than just what we've heard or why else would the n.c.a.a. reject our proposal of 4 scholarships for three years, six vacated games and reduced practice time. that sounds like a lot to me, unless we didn't self report.

There appears to be nothing that was known to have been a violation that went unreported. The small short-term bail fronting/loan was not known to be a violation, although the NCAA may have a different view. There are various other things, most but not all of which are similar to what has been mentioned in this thread. The NCAA was angling from day one for finding of lack of institutional control, and asking questions about why certain things weren't looked at or looked at more thoroughly. Rumors of this or that. Legal fee payment. Cookies and popsicles. Loaning a car. A meal not a home meal. UM supposedly having its proposal turned down is information/rumor I've not heard.

 

[mcg]

My concern is that the NCAA has received lot's of bad publicity about weak, inconsistent enforcement. Perhaps they want to make a point by 'throwing the book' at UM. It would be much easier for them to bully UM than (for example) Miami or Oregon.

 

[uofmman1122]

My concern is that the NCAA has received lot's of bad publicity about weak, inconsistent enforcement. Perhaps they want to make a point by 'throwing the book' at UM. It would be much easier for them to bully UM than (for example) Miami or Oregon.

This is what I'm worried about, as well.

 

[George Ferguson]

IF ANY of what getgrizzy or others is posting is true, am I the only one who thinks UM then does actually have a lack of institutional control? Why on god's name are staffers leaking this stuff or even feel the slightest bit obligated to answer a booster's question about it? IF these leaks out of the athletic dept. are really true, then UM's problems are NOT going to end when the penalties are announced.

 

[bigsky33]

Bignell borrowed a friends bycycle to return to campus late one night and it is almost comical what resulted. To try to twist this into a serious incident is absurd!

 

[Darksim]

Bignell borrowed a freinds bycycle to return to campus late one night and it is almost comical what resulted. To try to twist this into a serious incident is absurd!

Unfortunately the NCAA seems to be in it for the money more than anything. They posted profits of $871.6 million last year. all but 4% went back into athletics but that still means they take home around 3.5 million.

*edit - Mark Emmert (the president of the NCAA) personally makes $1.6 of that $3.5 million

 

[Cats2506]

Who would possibly know that fronting a small amount of bail money for your son's teammate, at the request of the NCAA says must be done), is a violation? How would any coach possibly know of such an obscure "rule"?

I think that is where the term "lack of institutional control" comes in. Its a fact of life that it is the JOB of the coaches and athletic department to know all of the NCAA regulations, and to do everything to avoid breaking them, and when they are mistakenly broken then to self report them.

Ignorance is not an acceptable excuse in the eyes of the NCAA. :thumb:

 

[Washgrizfan1]

IF ANY of what getgrizzy or others is posting is true, am I the only one who thinks UM then does actually have a lack of institutional control? Why on god's name are staffers leaking this stuff or even feel the slightest bit obligated to answer a booster's question about it? IF these leaks out of the athletic dept. are really true, then UM's problems are NOT going to end when the penalties are announced.

Most of this information probably isn't coming from the athletic department or the university. Everyone who is asked questions by a university or the NCAA in connection with an investigation, knows what questions were asked, learns a few things, and can surmise what the NCAA is looking at. Many of those people won't have any incentive or duty to keep information confidential. Some people may have their own counsel. If anyone is focused on, they or their counsel will probably learn more, will receive or see correspondence, and may see portions of findings or reports. Sometimes the NCAA itself has been involved in letting out information. People talk. People hear little things and guess on bigger meanings. Reporters snoop around and have sources. Sometimes there are other related proceedings going on. Look at how much is known about the Miami investigation. Recall that the NCAA's proposal regarding Penn St sanctions was out at least the day before it was announced. What might the Board of Regents have been told? What does Clay Christian know? I can't imagine it's possible to confine all the information at the University with Jean Gee, Kent Haslam and Royce Engstrom. What might Pat Williams know? If the post about the NCAA turning down this specific University proposal is true, then I am not sure where that might of come from. On the other hand, there is often back and forth between the school and the University in NCAA investigations.

 

[Washgrizfan1]

Who would possibly know that fronting a small amount of bail money for your son's teammate, at the request of the NCAA says must be done), is a violation? How would any coach possibly know of such an obscure "rule"?

I think that is where the term "lack of institutional control" comes in. Its a fact of life that it is the JOB of the coaches and athletic department to know all of the NCAA regulations, and to do everything to avoid breaking them, and when they are mistakenly broken then to self report them.

Ignorance is not an acceptable excuse in the eyes of the NCAA. :thumb:

Your first sentence isn't correct, but your next ones probably are. Again, how can someone self-report something that isn't known to be a violation? Just a question. Perhaps not a relevant point, as you suggest.

 

[Cats2506]

Who would possibly know that fronting a small amount of bail money for your son's teammate, at the request of the NCAA says must be done), is a violation? How would any coach possibly know of such an obscure "rule"?

I think that is where the term "lack of institutional control" comes in. Its a fact of life that it is the JOB of the coaches and athletic department to know all of the NCAA regulations, and to do everything to avoid breaking them, and when they are mistakenly broken then to self report them.

Ignorance is not an acceptable excuse in the eyes of the NCAA. :thumb:

Your first sentence isn't correct, but your next ones probably are. Again, how can someone self-report something that isn't known to be a violation? Just a question. Perhaps not a relevant point, as you suggest.

Thats why my first sentence is so correct.

Not knowing rules = lack of institutional control

 

[kemajic]

Bignell borrowed a friends bycycle to return to campus late one night and it is almost comical what resulted. To try to twist this into a serious incident is absurd!

Right, everyone that "borrows" a friend's bicycle winds up in jail.

 

[EverettGriz]

Bignell borrowed a friends bycycle to return to campus late one night and it is almost comical what resulted. To try to twist this into a serious incident is absurd!

Right, everyone that "borrows" a friend's bicycle winds up in jail.

:lol:


Bs33 put a spin on that arrest that even PR would be envious of!! :lol:

 

[getgrizzy]

IF ANY of what getgrizzy or others is posting is true, am I the only one who thinks UM then does actually have a lack of institutional control? Why on god's name are staffers leaking this stuff or even feel the slightest bit obligated to answer a booster's question about it? IF these leaks out of the athletic dept. are really true, then UM's problems are NOT going to end when the penalties are announced.

Most of this information probably isn't coming from the athletic department or the university. Everyone who is asked questions by a university or the NCAA in connection with an investigation, knows what questions were asked, learns a few things, and can surmise what the NCAA is looking at. Many of those people won't have any incentive or duty to keep information confidential. Some people may have their own counsel. If anyone is focused on, they or their counsel will probably learn more, will receive or see correspondence, and may see portions of findings or reports. Sometimes the NCAA itself has been involved in letting out information. People talk. People hear little things and guess on bigger meanings. Reporters snoop around and have sources. Sometimes there are other related proceedings going on. Look at how much is known about the Miami investigation. Recall that the NCAA's proposal regarding Penn St sanctions was out at least the day before it was announced. What might the Board of Regents have been told? What does Clay Christian know? I can't imagine it's possible to confine all the information at the University with Jean Gee, Kent Haslam and Royce Engstrom. What might Pat Williams know? If the post about the NCAA turning down this specific University proposal is true, then I am not sure where that might of come from. On the other hand, there is often back and forth between the school and the University in NCAA investigations.

we know three things for sure. 1. we're under investigation. 2. the investigation is over. 3. we're in a back and forth with n.c.a.a. right now.
most of us have heard that we've made at least two proposals and that both were denied. we've heard the latest prop included 4 schols over 3 years and a six game vacate. we've heard an asst a.d. gave a player in home meals and laundry, that a player didn't pay back a bail loan, players were given food after games.

that's what we know and what we think. i don't know for sure what we proposed, but there's little doubt that whatever it is its been tossed out.

 

[Washgrizfan1]

IF ANY of what getgrizzy or others is posting is true, am I the only one who thinks UM then does actually have a lack of institutional control? Why on god's name are staffers leaking this stuff or even feel the slightest bit obligated to answer a booster's question about it? IF these leaks out of the athletic dept. are really true, then UM's problems are NOT going to end when the penalties are announced.

Most of this information probably isn't coming from the athletic department or the university. Everyone who is asked questions by a university or the NCAA in connection with an investigation, knows what questions were asked, learns a few things, and can surmise what the NCAA is looking at. Many of those people won't have any incentive or duty to keep information confidential. Some people may have their own counsel. If anyone is focused on, they or their counsel will probably learn more, will receive or see correspondence, and may see portions of findings or reports. Sometimes the NCAA itself has been involved in letting out information. People talk. People hear little things and guess on bigger meanings. Reporters snoop around and have sources. Sometimes there are other related proceedings going on. Look at how much is known about the Miami investigation. Recall that the NCAA's proposal regarding Penn St sanctions was out at least the day before it was announced. What might the Board of Regents have been told? What does Clay Christian know? I can't imagine it's possible to confine all the information at the University with Jean Gee, Kent Haslam and Royce Engstrom. What might Pat Williams know? If the post about the NCAA turning down this specific University proposal is true, then I am not sure where that might of come from. On the other hand, there is often back and forth between the school and the University in NCAA investigations.

we know three things for sure. 1. we're under investigation. 2. the investigation is over. 3. we're in a back and forth with n.c.a.a. right now.
most of us have heard that we've made at least two proposals and that both were denied. we've heard the latest prop included 4 schols over 3 years and a six game vacate. we've heard an asst a.d. gave a player in home meals and laundry, that a player didn't pay back a bail loan, players were given food after games.

that's what we know and what we think. i don't know for sure what we proposed, but there's little doubt that whatever it is its been tossed out.

Some people know a lot more than that.

Edit/deletion.

 

[1976griz]

Most of us have had their kids bring the roommate home on the weekend with all the laundry (including the roommate's). So if the mom did the laundry for her son and the roommate...and the roommate was a football player...a violation would have occurred? What if the roommate was the president of the ASUM instead? In other words, can students on academic scholarships receive benefits that students on athletic scholarships cannot?

 

[kemajic]

Most of us have had their kids bring the roommate home on the weekend with all the laundry (including the roommate's). So if the mom did the laundry for her son and the roommate...and the roommate was a football player...a violation would have occurred? What if the roommate was the president of the ASUM instead? In other words, can students on academic scholarships receive benefits that students on athletic scholarships cannot?

The NCAA has perview over the former; not the latter. Duh!

 

[Cringer]

Who would possibly know that fronting a small amount of bail money for your son's teammate, at the request of the NCAA says must be done), is a violation? How would any coach possibly know of such an obscure "rule"?

I think that is where the term "lack of institutional control" comes in. Its a fact of life that it is the JOB of the coaches and athletic department to know all of the NCAA regulations, and to do everything to avoid breaking them, and when they are mistakenly broken then to self report them.

Ignorance is not an acceptable excuse in the eyes of the NCAA. :thumb:

Your first sentence isn't correct, but your next ones probably are. Again, how can someone self-report something that isn't known to be a violation? Just a question. Perhaps not a relevant point, as you suggest.

Thats why my first sentence is so correct.

Not knowing rules = lack of institutional control

So by this logic any athletic department/employee of that would not pass an NCAA protocol test with a 100% stands liable of lack of institutional control? NCAA better get ready, they are going to be busy. I am disappointed in our leadership as they apparently got laxxed on rules. This is so asinine, "I was going to go to Northern Colorado, but Montana slipped me a hot dog and did my laundry." Good news, it is an easy fix; Stop giving kids free stuff/services.

Time to take whatever spanking they doll out, and move on. I hope mistakes were fixed.

 

[Cats2506]

I think that is where the term "lack of institutional control" comes in. Its a fact of life that it is the JOB of the coaches and athletic department to know all of the NCAA regulations, and to do everything to avoid breaking them, and when they are mistakenly broken then to self report them.

Ignorance is not an acceptable excuse in the eyes of the NCAA. :thumb:

Your first sentence isn't correct, but your next ones probably are. Again, how can someone self-report something that isn't known to be a violation? Just a question. Perhaps not a relevant point, as you suggest.

Thats why my first sentence is so correct.

Not knowing rules = lack of institutional control

So by this logic any athletic department/employee of that would not pass an NCAA protocol test with a 100% stands liable of lack of institutional control? NCAA better get ready, they are going to be busy. I am disappointed in our leadership as they apparently got laxxed on rules. This is so asinine, "I was going to go to Northern Colorado, but Montana slipped me a hot dog and did my laundry." Good news, it is an easy fix; Stop giving kids free stuff/services.

Time to take whatever spanking they doll out, and move on. I hope mistakes were fixed.

No that is not what I am saying, lack of institutional control comes in when you try to plead ignorance to several issues across a broad array of incidents. That appears to be what the other poster was saying. There will always be occasional incidents of rules violations, your athletic department must make everyone aware of the rules and self report those incidents. If on the other hand the coaches and athletic department seems to be ignoring those rules and looking the other way it is probably time to do some firing and install some compliance people in those positions, it would be called "going in a new direction".