NCAA ruling

[EverettGriz]

Other than Kemp, who allegedly paid back his bail money 4 days too late, I don't believe the ncaa cartel will even mention any of the crimes. I realize this will be a very sad day for you two and papaG.

Trust me: if the ncaa cartel were on your campus, you'd be using this map as a guide:

 

[getgrizzy]

Im not to worried, if they are taking this long to wrap up the investigation they must really be looking hard for any sort of wrong doing. Granted I have no idea what im talking about, I haven't seen many NCAA sanctions play out in my day. I usually just witness the aftermath. I recall the Duck's being investigated but nothing ever came of that, which is my only reference in that regard.

the infractions are too widespread and two were committed by staff. one high ranking and the other middle management. some of them are very minor, but others really push the envelope. the penalty will be more than just a slap on the wrist like oregon got, because the range of infractions points to a lack of control. it will have an effect on recruiting and the overall product.

 

[grzz]

Im not to worried, if they are taking this long to wrap up the investigation they must really be looking hard for any sort of wrong doing. Granted I have no idea what im talking about, I haven't seen many NCAA sanctions play out in my day. I usually just witness the aftermath. I recall the Duck's being investigated but nothing ever came of that, which is my only reference in that regard.

the infractions are too widespread and two were committed by staff. one high ranking and the other middle management. some of them are very minor, but others really push the envelope. the penalty will be more than just a slap on the wrist like oregon got, because the range of infractions points to a lack of control. it will have an effect on recruiting and the overall product.

Stupid question maybe, but shouldn't the fact that the AD from the time of the infractions, the football coach, and the mid level management member that either committed the infractions or had them occur on their watch have all been let go count for something with the NCAA? It seems logical (which should be a big answer for me right there) that at least some of the punishment should be weighted against steps taken to prevent it in the future, and maybe no punish players and coaches who had nothing to do with it...I know, I know, that isn't how things work. Also, if the rumor about losing a few scholarships is true, why is it that only the football team would lose scholarships if some of the supposed identified infractions have nothing to do with football players, but rather are things like other athletes getting food at tailgates...

 

[Darksim]

Im not to worried, if they are taking this long to wrap up the investigation they must really be looking hard for any sort of wrong doing. Granted I have no idea what im talking about, I haven't seen many NCAA sanctions play out in my day. I usually just witness the aftermath. I recall the Duck's being investigated but nothing ever came of that, which is my only reference in that regard.

the infractions are too widespread and two were committed by staff. one high ranking and the other middle management. some of them are very minor, but others really push the envelope. the penalty will be more than just a slap on the wrist like oregon got, because the range of infractions points to a lack of control. it will have an effect on recruiting and the overall product.

How did you hear about these NCAA infractions? I've been looking all over for info on this, I couldn't find anything.

 

[Hammer]

Im not to worried, if they are taking this long to wrap up the investigation they must really be looking hard for any sort of wrong doing. Granted I have no idea what im talking about, I haven't seen many NCAA sanctions play out in my day. I usually just witness the aftermath. I recall the Duck's being investigated but nothing ever came of that, which is my only reference in that regard.

the infractions are too widespread and two were committed by staff. one high ranking and the other middle management. some of them are very minor, but others really push the envelope. the penalty will be more than just a slap on the wrist like oregon got, because the range of infractions points to a lack of control. it will have an effect on recruiting and the overall product.

How did you hear about these NCAA infractions? I've been looking all over for info on this, I couldn't find anything.

Thats because nothing has been announced yet. The biggest worry, a playoff ban, not likely to happen, anyway.

 

[kemajic]

MSEuliss has had a fair share of arrests the last few years but they have not been publicized and prosecuted by the Bozo Chronical the way the Missoulian has.

Mmmm. **Sniff sniff** The fine whine of eGriz.

Poor gwizzlies. Always getting picked on for no reason.

Love it. Good stuff. Keep serving it up cuz I'll read it all day long.

Ha ha, No sheeite!! Let's keep pretending that MSU has had anywhere NEAR the # of arrests, run ins with the law over the past few years. Like I said... We went through a dark era, but that was like a decade ago. You'd be hard pressed to find any football program in the country with the same track record as UM over the past few years, regarding players getting arrested.

2007 is not a decade ago. Bignell jailed for theft and still on the roster. Real angels over there.

 

[Montanan]

...The biggest worry, a playoff ban, not likely to happen, anyway.

Hopefully they'll take last seasons, "self imposed" playoff ban into consideration.

 

[kemajic]

...The biggest worry, a playoff ban, not likely to happen, anyway.

Hopefully they'll take last seasons, "self imposed" playoff ban into consideration.

They missed our cash last year; doubt they want to live without it. Meanwhile, Engstrom offers up schollies to reduce the budget....

 

[KoolMoeDee]

Bignell jailed for theft and still on the roster. Real angels over there.

Ya, what's up with that ? Clue us in on the outcome.

 

[Washgrizfan1]

Im not to worried, if they are taking this long to wrap up the investigation they must really be looking hard for any sort of wrong doing. Granted I have no idea what im talking about, I haven't seen many NCAA sanctions play out in my day. I usually just witness the aftermath. I recall the Duck's being investigated but nothing ever came of that, which is my only reference in that regard.

the infractions are too widespread and two were committed by staff. one high ranking and the other middle management. some of them are very minor, but others really push the envelope. the penalty will be more than just a slap on the wrist like oregon got, because the range of infractions points to a lack of control. it will have an effect on recruiting and the overall product.

That's interesting. Do you know anything more than a coach knowing that Kemp's bail (was it $500) was loaned in the middle of the night by the mom of another player (and paid back a week or so later); and an athletic dept employee had a player over for dinner (too many times) and did his laundry a few times?

Have you heard of anything other than "widespread" benefits like some meals, letting a friend use a car, cookies, and maybe legal fees for a criminal matter as the firm evaluated a potential civil case against the city (like plaintiffs lawyer would generally do)?

What's the "pushing the envelope"? I haven't heard of anything that was pushing the envelope. No early involvement/payment by agents. No recruiting violations.

Can you give us some more information (and not just hints). Thanks.

 

[Darksim]

Im not to worried, if they are taking this long to wrap up the investigation they must really be looking hard for any sort of wrong doing. Granted I have no idea what im talking about, I haven't seen many NCAA sanctions play out in my day. I usually just witness the aftermath. I recall the Duck's being investigated but nothing ever came of that, which is my only reference in that regard.

the infractions are too widespread and two were committed by staff. one high ranking and the other middle management. some of them are very minor, but others really push the envelope. the penalty will be more than just a slap on the wrist like oregon got, because the range of infractions points to a lack of control. it will have an effect on recruiting and the overall product.

That's interesting. Do you know anything more than a coach knowing that Kemp's bail (was it $500) was loaned in the middle of the night by the mom of another player (and paid back a week or so later); and an athletic dept employee had a player over for dinner (too many times) and did his laundry a few times?

Have you heard of anything other than "widespread" benefits like some meals, letting a friend use a car, cookies, and maybe legal fees for a criminal matter as the firm evaluated a potential civil case against the city (like plaintiffs lawyer would generally do)?

What's the "pushing the envelope"? I haven't heard of anything that was pushing the envelope. No early involvement/payment by agents. No recruiting violations.

Can you give us some more information (and not just hints). Thanks.

Exactly :!:

 

[kemajic]

Im not to worried, if they are taking this long to wrap up the investigation they must really be looking hard for any sort of wrong doing. Granted I have no idea what im talking about, I haven't seen many NCAA sanctions play out in my day. I usually just witness the aftermath. I recall the Duck's being investigated but nothing ever came of that, which is my only reference in that regard.

the infractions are too widespread and two were committed by staff. one high ranking and the other middle management. some of them are very minor, but others really push the envelope. the penalty will be more than just a slap on the wrist like oregon got, because the range of infractions points to a lack of control. it will have an effect on recruiting and the overall product.

That's interesting. Do you know anything more than a coach knowing that Kemp's bail (was it $500) was loaned in the middle of the night by the mom of another player (and paid back a week or so later); and an athletic dept employee had a player over for dinner (too many times) and did his laundry a few times?

Have you heard of anything other than "widespread" benefits like some meals, letting a friend use a car, cookies, and maybe legal fees for a criminal matter as the firm evaluated a potential civil case against the city (like plaintiffs lawyer would generally do)?

What's the "pushing the envelope"? I haven't heard of anything that was pushing the envelope. No early involvement/payment by agents. No recruiting violations.

Can you give us some more information (and not just hints). Thanks.

getgrizzy's hopes and dreams.

 

[Blgs Griz Fan]

"the infractions are too widespread and two were committed by staff. one high ranking and the other middle management. some of them are very minor, but others really push the envelope. the penalty will be more than just a slap on the wrist like oregon got, because the range of infractions points to a lack of control. it will have an effect on recruiting and the overall product"

Come on guys everybody knows getgrizzy is stalking the Griz athletes. I have been told he personally witnessed Griz football players using University water to wash their cars and that is a major infraction according to the NCAA.

 

[Darksim]

"the infractions are too widespread and two were committed by staff. one high ranking and the other middle management. some of them are very minor, but others really push the envelope. the penalty will be more than just a slap on the wrist like oregon got, because the range of infractions points to a lack of control. it will have an effect on recruiting and the overall product"

Come on guys everybody knows getgrizzy is stalking the Griz athletes. I have been told he personally witnessed Griz football players using University water to wash their cars and that is a major infraction according to the NCAA.

HaHa :mrgreen:

 

[getgrizzy]

from the looks of it most of you have heard the same things i've heard (postgame hot dogs for players, laundry/meals by mgmt. staff to player, fail to pay back loan in timely manner, etc.), so no need to get into the details. what you're failing to recognize is the strong possibility that the upper administrative staff knew about some of those things, but didn't self-report them. the n.c.a.a. has refused to accept our latest proposal to decrease scholarships by 4 for the next three years, vacate 6 games and reduce practice time. that's exactly what happened to o.s.u. right before they were hit with probation and a one-year bowl ban. o.s.u. failed to self-report. had they done so their proposed 5 scholarship reduction would've been accepted, instead it was increased, they were put on probation, and a bowl ban was thrown in

 

[GRZFTBL]

It's got to be more than hot dogs at a post game tailgate. Heck, I've witnessed a few Bobcat players eating prime rib after a game over there once. Won't rat the kids out, I offered it to them. :shock:

 

[Washgrizfan1]

from the looks of it most of you have heard the same things i've heard (postgame hot dogs for players, laundry/meals by mgmt. staff to player, fail to pay back loan in timely manner, etc.), so no need to get into the details. what you're failing to recognize is the strong possibility that the upper administrative staff knew about some of those things, but didn't self-report them. the n.c.a.a. has refused to accept our latest proposal to decrease scholarships by 4 for the next three years, vacate 6 games and reduce practice time. that's exactly what happened to o.s.u. right before they were hit with probation and a one-year bowl ban. o.s.u. failed to self-report. had they done so their proposed 5 scholarship reduction would've been accepted, instead it was increased, they were put on probation, and a bowl ban was thrown in

Perhaps you are right, or be proven right. However, none of those things are, or should be, serious violations. They are not recruiting or agent violations. They don't involve anything of significant value. They probably happen frequently at every school in the country. Who would possibly know that fronting a small amount of bail money for your son's teammate, at the request of the NCAA says must be done), is a violation? How would any coach possibly know of such an obscure "rule"?

Ohio St's situation involved the coach being aware of the problems since the prior spring, not doing anything about them, allowing the players to play the whole season, and denying that he had been aware of the issues early on. Their situation involved 8 players and $14,000 of cash and free tatoos, not hotdogs, meals and laundry.

 

[getgrizzy]

from the looks of it most of you have heard the same things i've heard (postgame hot dogs for players, laundry/meals by mgmt. staff to player, fail to pay back loan in timely manner, etc.), so no need to get into the details. what you're failing to recognize is the strong possibility that the upper administrative staff knew about some of those things, but didn't self-report them. the n.c.a.a. has refused to accept our latest proposal to decrease scholarships by 4 for the next three years, vacate 6 games and reduce practice time. that's exactly what happened to o.s.u. right before they were hit with probation and a one-year bowl ban. o.s.u. failed to self-report. had they done so their proposed 5 scholarship reduction would've been accepted, instead it was increased, they were put on probation, and a bowl ban was thrown in

Perhaps you are right, or be proven right. However, none of those things are, or should be, serious violations. They are not recruiting or agent violations. They don't involve anything of significant value. They probably happen frequently at every school in the country. Who would possibly know that fronting a small amount of bail money for your son's teammate, at the request of the NCAA says must be done), is a violation? How would any coach possibly know of such an obscure "rule"?

Ohio St's situation involved the coach being aware of the problems since the prior spring, not doing anything about them, allowing the players to play the whole season, and denying that he had been aware of the issues early on. Their situation involved 8 players and $14,000 of cash and free tatoos, not hotdogs, meals and laundry.

not trying to say what they should or shouldn't do, just what is supposedly happening. the stark reality is that we've made the proposals and they've been turned back. there has to be a reason why they keep turning them back and considering that we offered up as much as we have there must be those that think the infractions are worse than what a lot of posters think they are. my guess, and that's all it is, is that someone knew what happened and failed to self report it, because its hard to figure out why the n.c.a.a. refused to accept our self proposed sanctions. not self reporting something is very bad and in the o.s.u. situation it was considered the most damaging part of the whole thing by members of the committee on infractions. if we didn't self report some of the more serious stuff, that would be bad. i can't think of what else it would be and no one on here has come up with a scenario to explain why the n.c.a.a. keeps saying no to our proposals.

 

[getgrizzy]

It's got to be more than hot dogs at a post game tailgate. Heck, I've witnessed a few Bobcat players eating prime rib after a game over there once. Won't rat the kids out, I offered it to them. :shock:

it is more than just hot dogs at a post game tailgate.

 

['68griz]

I'm not questioning what you say, get grizzy. I'm only wondering why you seem to be the ONLY person on this board who supposedly knows anything about the NCAA rulings. That seems odd to me.