MVC

[HookedonGriz]

Right you were! I honestly think Ill. St. is the only team that has any chance against NDSU. Guess we'll find out in about three weeks. For sure, I will be watching.

Ha I lucked out a little! I'm with ya....I think Ill St matches up better and will provide more fits for their awesome defense. Hope it's a good game. I wouldn't mind seeing a new champ.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

yeah, I'm not sure of the point. The MVC is deep and good. Every FCS fan knows that. I swear, sometimes it feels like when people post about how weak the Big Sky is, I think they're blaming the Griz for it. It's not Montana, Montana State's or EWU'S responsibilty to make the rest of the BSC conference better each year. I wish the Sky was better too, but really, it is what it is. It's beyond UM or Griz Nation's control. That's what kills me when cynical fans rip the Griz for beating UC Davis or Weber or UND. WTF are the Griz supposed to do in those games, not show up in protest, drop the program until some of the other schools catch up? AND no, moving up to the MWC isn't the answer because the MWC hasn't ASKED Montana to move up.

I agree with your point Hav. The better teams in the BSC can't be held responsible for the poor play by the rest of the BSC teams. But UM and EWU fans can certainly make a mental note and realize that they have some "built in" wins that aren't necessarily going to help them get ready for a difficult playoff schedule. In any event, these type of talent discrepancies go in spurts. The BSC could back on top soon.....

 

[AZGrizFan]

yeah, I'm not sure of the point. The MVC is deep and good. Every FCS fan knows that. I swear, sometimes it feels like when people post about how weak the Big Sky is, I think they're blaming the Griz for it. It's not Montana, Montana State's or EWU'S responsibilty to make the rest of the BSC conference better each year. I wish the Sky was better too, but really, it is what it is. It's beyond UM or Griz Nation's control. That's what kills me when cynical fans rip the Griz for beating UC Davis or Weber or UND. WTF are the Griz supposed to do in those games, not show up in protest, drop the program until some of the other schools catch up? AND no, moving up to the MWC isn't the answer because the MWC hasn't ASKED Montana to move up.

I agree with your point Hav. The better teams in the BSC can't be held responsible for the poor play by the rest of the BSC teams. But UM and EWU fans can certainly make a mental note and realize that they have some "built in" wins that aren't necessarily going to help them get ready for a difficult playoff schedule. In any event, these type of talent discrepancies go in spurts. The BSC could back on top soon.....

every conference has built in wins. With the BSC having thirteen teams we just have a few more than most.

 

[get'em_griz]

These are the teams in my opinion that can hang with the top of the MVFC:

Montana
Eastern Washington
Montana State
Cal Poly
Idaho State (with their recent resurgence)

Other than that, the rest of the BSC is a crapshoot, really.

 

[LDopaPDX]

Part of the big problem for the Big Sky was that all of the top teams had some big, glaring, fatal liability.

Eastern could move the ball well, but couldn't stop anyone. Montana State was the same, except with less offensive firepower. Montana could D up anyone, but couldn't move the ball for large portions of a game.

When you look at NDSU and Illinois State, you see two teams that compete on both sides of the ball, and don't give you mismatches of any substance anywhere on the field. Every corps of the team is good.

The Big Sky needs to get back to playing full, talented rosters on both sides of the ball.

 

[G-BEARS]

No, it isn't. It has NDSU and nothing else.
Said it before... until NDSU came along, that conference was Montana's bitch.

and the rest of the conference is still Montana's bitch.

I used to really respect you as a poster. But, do you really believe yourself when you said this? No one is saying things can't change for the better soon, but right now the MVFC is way ahead of us.

 

[AZGrizFan]

No, it isn't. It has NDSU and nothing else.
Said it before... until NDSU came along, that conference was Montana's bitch.

and the rest of the conference is still Montana's bitch.

I used to really respect you as a poster. But, do you really believe yourself when you said this? No one is saying things can't change for the better soon, but right now the MVFC is way ahead of us.

What measuring stick are you using for that?

 

[DuCharme]

No, it isn't. It has NDSU and nothing else.
Said it before... until NDSU came along, that conference was Montana's bitch.

and the rest of the conference is still Montana's bitch.

I used to really respect you as a poster. But, do you really believe yourself when you said this? No one is saying things can't change for the better soon, but right now the MVFC is way ahead of us.

You have a point. I concede that. I'm stuck in the 90s and early 00's.
I could have remembered SDSU had a 48-21 lead on our Griz just a few years ago.

Guess my real beef is that I think every team in that conference is riding Bison coat tails.

 

[DuCharme]

No, it isn't. It has NDSU and nothing else.
Said it before... until NDSU came along, that conference was Montana's bitch.

and the rest of the conference is still Montana's bitch.

I used to really respect you as a poster. But, do you really believe yourself when you said this? No one is saying things can't change for the better soon, but right now the MVFC is way ahead of us.

You have a point. I concede that. I'm stuck in the 90s and early 00's.
I could have remembered SDSU had a 48-21 lead on our Griz just a few years ago.

Guess my real beef is that I think every team in that conference is riding Bison coat tails.

(Yes, I realize you were talking to AZ there)

 

[DuCharme]

Well, that last post by me was odd. I edited my post and somehow turned it into a quote.
And I'm supposed to be an old dog...

 

[G-BEARS]

No, it isn't. It has NDSU and nothing else.
Said it before... until NDSU came along, that conference was Montana's bitch.

and the rest of the conference is still Montana's bitch.

I used to really respect you as a poster. But, do you really believe yourself when you said this? No one is saying things can't change for the better soon, but right now the MVFC is way ahead of us.

What measuring stick are you using for that?

The best team in the BSC, Eastern, probably takes 4th or 5th place in that conference. Third at best.

 

[George Ferguson]

One EWU fan posted that the Eagles were a DT away from from winning the MVC, well actually he said "crushing NDSU and Illinois State", but that would indeed mean Eastern Washington would win the MVC.

 

[get'em_griz]

Like others have said, the difference between the Big Sky and the Missouri Valley is that Missouri Valley teams play good offense and defense. The Big Sky only plays offense without defense, except the opposite for Montana. Montana used to play like many of the MVC teams do, which was why we were able to compete with them. Once we get our offense back, we'd be able to compete against MVC teams very well.

 

[srgrizizen]

Until they start awarding trophies to conferences instead of individual teams, threads like this are a total waste of time. I don't care if every other team in FCS is better than every BSC team except the Griz.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Until they start awarding trophies to conferences instead of individual teams, threads like this are a total waste of time. I don't care if every other team in FCS is better than every BSC team except the Griz.

Well said. Thank you.

 

[Speedy Grizzales]

You are a dumbass Gbear. Your NDSU crush is showing..... Discuss.

Oh god, nevermind. I despise NDSU. I'll go onto a different, real, football forum, like maroonblood, bobcatnation, or championshipsubdivision to discuss football. Ya know, instead of message board for 16 year old girls gossip.

Senor G-Bears, mucho spot on the deniro...bring rose colored glasses and wine to this partido...and si, I played the game and not for Ivy League class B colegio....

 

[AZGrizFan]

and the rest of the conference is still Montana's bitch.

I used to really respect you as a poster. But, do you really believe yourself when you said this? No one is saying things can't change for the better soon, but right now the MVFC is way ahead of us.

What measuring stick are you using for that?

The best team in the BSC, Eastern, probably takes 4th or 5th place in that conference. Third at best.

Really? Because OUR third place team took their conference champ to the wire to open the season....Granted EWU doesn't play defense, but I think they finish no worse than 3rd in that conference...and besides, regular season don't mean shit. 95% of their teams fold like cheap pianos (I'm looking at YOU, Northern Iowa) in the playoffs year after year after year. They're actually set up a lot like the BSC in the 2000's. NDSU and then everybody else...just like the BSC spent 15 years being UM and everybody else. Illinois State is just this year's flash-in-the-pan. Book it.

 

[Speedy Grizzales]

Senors, when will Griz go to championship game four years in a row? Or even three? Many lacking things in the five valleys...

 

[AZGrizFan]

Senors, when will Griz go to championship game four years in a row? Or even three? Many lacking things in the five valleys...

No one is arguing that NDSU isn't light years ahead of us. But the rest of the conference? Not so much...

 

[AZGrizFan]

Since 2010 against MVC:

Cal Poly: 3-2
Sac State: 0-0
UC Davis: 1-2
EWU: 3-2
ISU: 0-0
UM: 4-1
MSU: 0-2
UND: 1-3
NAU: 1-2
UNC: 0-3
PSU: 0-0
SUU: 1-4
WSU: 0-1

That's 14-22 over the past 5 years (and that includes the 7-1 trainwreck THIS year)...and the vast majority of those 36 games were against NDSU (2-1), SDSU (7-3), USD (7-8) or UNI (3-1) --three of the four who would be considered the cream of the MVFC crop over the past 5 years.

So, did MVFC own the BSC this year? Yep. Are they light years ahead of the BSC? Only time will tell. One year does not a trend make, especially when many of their wins (with the exception of NDSU's win over Montana and Illinois State's playoff win over EWU) were against the absolute bottom feeders of the BSC--UNC, SUU, WSU, Davis, etc.

They're king of the current hill, but that doesn't mean they've created some permanent gap. This could just as easily be a one-year anomaly. We shall see...